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<blockquote data-quote="Ambarsaria" data-source="post: 148973" data-attributes="member: 14194"><p><strong>Re: Should We Serve Alcohol as Guru Ka Langar?</strong></p><p></p><p>findingmyway ji I hardly condone drinking but neither do I put myself on a higher ground because of it.</p><p></p><p>I have seen many a people lose their lives and families to alcoholism, some friends lost to alcoholism, made a fool of myself couple of times during my younger days. I just do not believe in so called purity of oneself just because one does not drink, does not eat meat, does not eat eggs, etc. I have also seen many a people die from eating high fat vegetarian diets, ghee, homo milk, sweets, etc. There comes a time where one stops preaching and starts accepting people for what they are. Sure we care and want everyone to be their best but the danger is too many dictums and none are taken seriously.</p><p></p><p>I challenge anyone to show themselves, their spouse and children as a family unit to claim they are not tankhayieh according to SRM. I will regard them higher than my parents whether such are young or old.</p><p></p><p>I continue to believe that biggest time consumers are the small things that matter little. Why is it wrong for Sinner ji to refer to an apertif or Harry Haller ji to take a mickey or two. Whether they do or not they from their writings are as close to God spiritually as any of the other spner's that I can think of. I also don't believe that I am conversing with proverbial people on the bottle at spn either.</p><p></p><p>It goes without saying that moderation of habits pays great dividends in what you put into your body's factory to keep you healthy and functional. Many a substances beyond alcohol and tobacco are harmful when excessively consumed and conversely many a substances consumed in minute quantities or moderation are helpful. I tended to a close relative in final stages of Cancer that he succumbed at a younger age. Opiates made his exit from his body comfortable. Many a people have been saved in the battlefield in olden days through the septic prevention use of alcohol or to numb pain. Many a lungs have been saved through cough suppressants.</p><p></p><p>So in closing people not taking medicine if it has some alcohol in it, not using perfume because it has alcohol in it, etc. Such people will lead to bigger and bigger circles of emptiness based on exclusivities and sense of superior living and piety. The bodies that we are in are a miracle with much ability to tell each one individually what is suitable and what works. The object is to keep listening to your bodies. You may not eat meat, may not drink who knows what your other habits are and if you ignore listening to your body you will pay.</p><p></p><p>Let me cite some real examples,</p><p></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">With Ramdev craze the following happened,<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">A lady was having health issues and start drinking gourd (Karela) juice. She got E-coli infection that no one could figure out and virtually died. Reason the Indian Karelas had E-coli.<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">So what happened, thinking was blinded and habit of cleaniless was lacking.</li> </ul></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">People have been drinking gourd juice (Ghia Kaduh) is another craze<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">One wonders how many of those are in trouble</li> </ul></li> </ul></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">A gentleman close to us almost died. He went to India and had some minor diabetic issues. In India he was given some concoction made out of pure powdered pearls. He was fleeced and put near death due to lack of what his body was telling him. He does not drink and does not eat sweets.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Such stories are endless and they will most of the time will be based on not listening to your body, excessive use of some substances, vegetables, meats which are perfectly legal without any alcohol involved.</li> </ul><p>We are guilty of hijacking this thread a bit, but occasional drink in moderation does not a devil make!</p><p></p><p>In terms of the subject of the thread I do not support the serving of Alcohol in any way related to Gurdwaras.</p><p></p><p>Some of the well respected including Professor ragi, leaders at DSGMC are known to like occasional drinks.</p><p></p><p>Let us focus on our Gurus Gurbani and live with and open heart and open mind. Sikhism will continue to evolve and so will the Sikhs. I wish the best for both.</p><p></p><p>Sat Sri Akal.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ambarsaria, post: 148973, member: 14194"] [b]Re: Should We Serve Alcohol as Guru Ka Langar?[/b] findingmyway ji I hardly condone drinking but neither do I put myself on a higher ground because of it. I have seen many a people lose their lives and families to alcoholism, some friends lost to alcoholism, made a fool of myself couple of times during my younger days. I just do not believe in so called purity of oneself just because one does not drink, does not eat meat, does not eat eggs, etc. I have also seen many a people die from eating high fat vegetarian diets, ghee, homo milk, sweets, etc. There comes a time where one stops preaching and starts accepting people for what they are. Sure we care and want everyone to be their best but the danger is too many dictums and none are taken seriously. I challenge anyone to show themselves, their spouse and children as a family unit to claim they are not tankhayieh according to SRM. I will regard them higher than my parents whether such are young or old. I continue to believe that biggest time consumers are the small things that matter little. Why is it wrong for Sinner ji to refer to an apertif or Harry Haller ji to take a mickey or two. Whether they do or not they from their writings are as close to God spiritually as any of the other spner's that I can think of. I also don't believe that I am conversing with proverbial people on the bottle at spn either. It goes without saying that moderation of habits pays great dividends in what you put into your body's factory to keep you healthy and functional. Many a substances beyond alcohol and tobacco are harmful when excessively consumed and conversely many a substances consumed in minute quantities or moderation are helpful. I tended to a close relative in final stages of Cancer that he succumbed at a younger age. Opiates made his exit from his body comfortable. Many a people have been saved in the battlefield in olden days through the septic prevention use of alcohol or to numb pain. Many a lungs have been saved through cough suppressants. So in closing people not taking medicine if it has some alcohol in it, not using perfume because it has alcohol in it, etc. Such people will lead to bigger and bigger circles of emptiness based on exclusivities and sense of superior living and piety. The bodies that we are in are a miracle with much ability to tell each one individually what is suitable and what works. The object is to keep listening to your bodies. You may not eat meat, may not drink who knows what your other habits are and if you ignore listening to your body you will pay. Let me cite some real examples, [LIST] [*]With Ramdev craze the following happened, [LIST] [*]A lady was having health issues and start drinking gourd (Karela) juice. She got E-coli infection that no one could figure out and virtually died. Reason the Indian Karelas had E-coli. [LIST] [*]So what happened, thinking was blinded and habit of cleaniless was lacking. [/LIST] [*]People have been drinking gourd juice (Ghia Kaduh) is another craze [LIST] [*]One wonders how many of those are in trouble [/LIST] [/LIST] [*]A gentleman close to us almost died. He went to India and had some minor diabetic issues. In India he was given some concoction made out of pure powdered pearls. He was fleeced and put near death due to lack of what his body was telling him. He does not drink and does not eat sweets. [*]Such stories are endless and they will most of the time will be based on not listening to your body, excessive use of some substances, vegetables, meats which are perfectly legal without any alcohol involved. [/LIST] We are guilty of hijacking this thread a bit, but occasional drink in moderation does not a devil make! In terms of the subject of the thread I do not support the serving of Alcohol in any way related to Gurdwaras. Some of the well respected including Professor ragi, leaders at DSGMC are known to like occasional drinks. Let us focus on our Gurus Gurbani and live with and open heart and open mind. Sikhism will continue to evolve and so will the Sikhs. I wish the best for both. Sat Sri Akal. [/QUOTE]
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