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Naam Simran And Failure
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<blockquote data-quote="pk70" data-source="post: 88494" data-attributes="member: 5889"><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> Sat Sree Akaal Mahabir Singh ji</span></strong></p><p> <strong><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Many thanks for your kind words.</span></strong></p><p> <strong><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">To respond to your views (which sound like a question too), I must admit that I never think (thought either) what the Lord wants from us because if my thinking were enough, I would have reached there where still I long to go. Literally, it is the Guru who has advised me that the Lord wants us to live in His love, to be in His simran. Guru asks his followers</span></strong></p><p> <strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਜੋ ਸਾਸਿ ਗਿਰਾਸਿ ਧਿਆਏ ਮੇਰਾ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਸੋ</span></span></strong> <strong><span style="color: #AB5555"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਗੁਰਸਿਖ</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ੁ ਗੁਰੂ ਮਨਿ ਭਾਵੈ </span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'">(SGGS305)</span></span></strong></p><p><strong></strong><strong><span style="color: black">Jo sās girās </span></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">ḏẖ</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: black">i▫ā▫e merā har har so gursik</span></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">ẖ</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: black"> gurū man b</span></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">ẖ</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: black">āvai.</span></strong></p><p><strong></strong><strong><span style="color: black">One who meditates on my Lord, Har, Har, with every breath and every morsel of food - that GurSikh becomes pleasing to the Guru's Mind.</span></strong></p><p> <strong></strong></p><p> <strong></strong></p><p> <strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'">Again, Guru stresses on “Simran”</span></span></strong></p><p> <strong><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AA%E0%A9%8D%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%AD" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਪ੍ਰਭ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%BE" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਕਾ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%A8%E0%A9%81" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸਿਮਰਨੁ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%AD" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸਭ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A4%E0%A9%87" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਤੇ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%8A%E0%A8%9A%E0%A8%BE" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਊਚਾ</span> </a></span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></span> </strong></p><p><strong></strong><strong><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">Parabẖ kā simran sabẖ ṯe ūcẖā.</span> </strong></p><p><strong></strong><strong><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AA%E0%A9%8D%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%AD" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਪ੍ਰਭ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A9%88" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਕੈ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸਿਮਰਨਿ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%89%E0%A8%A7%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%87" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਉਧਰੇ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A9%82%E0%A8%9A%E0%A8%BE" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਮੂਚਾ</span> </a></span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></span> </strong><strong><span style="color: navy">Lord's meditation is the most exalted of all.</span> </strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong></strong><strong><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">Parabẖ kai simran uḏẖre mūcẖā.</span> </strong></p><p><strong></strong><strong><span style="color: navy">Through Master's meditation many have been saved.(SGGS263)</span></strong></p><p> </p><p> <strong><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> Unlike you, I do not want to assume at my own, just am trying to follow what Guru ji asks to do to be worthy of HIM. Guru though says He manifests in us but still Simran is very important as per Guru Advice, even being aware of his being within us ( as you stated in Punjabi), changes the land scrape, Simran helps to be aware of His being within. I wonder why you have taken “Simran” into very limited meaning!</span></strong></p><p> <strong><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> Now let’s take on what you have thought about Lord’s wish. As per your statement, He wants our friendship. Well, He is “nirvair”, regardless our behavior towards Him ( Mool Mantra-Japji). After having said that, let’s analyze “our friendship” towards Him. What is friendship?” A relation based on sincerity, love and readiness to sacrifice. If any element out of these misses, friendship remains highly fragile. We remember our friend, we believe in him/her. We think about him/her, it all comes down to” be in love and be aware about the friend.” So does the simran. Guru says </span></strong></p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%AE" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਹਮ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A9%88%E0%A8%B2%E0%A9%87" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਮੈਲੇ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A4%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%AE" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਤੁਮ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%8A%E0%A8%9C%E0%A8%B2" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਊਜਲ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%A4%E0%A9%87" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਕਰਤੇ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%AE" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਹਮ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%97%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%A8" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਨਿਰਗੁਨ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A4%E0%A9%82" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਤੂ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A6%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%BE" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਦਾਤਾ</span> </a></span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></span> </strong></p><p><strong></strong><strong><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">Ham maile ṯum ūjal karṯe ham nirgun ṯū ḏāṯā.</span> </strong></p><p><strong></strong><strong><span style="color: navy">We are soiled, Thou O Creator art Immaculate, we are virtueless and thou art our Donor.</span></strong>( <strong>means we are not as pure as you are oh Lord, we don’t have those virtues you have)</strong></p><p> <strong><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> it is a statement one can make only after dismantling” ME/I- force or claims” Guru also, while guiding us towards Him, asks us to mind” Lord’s fear” in our hearts; why? AkaalPurkh loves all, we are supposed to love Him too, then why to fear from Him? Answer is very interesting, it deals with” I/Me force” if it becomes fearless then it does what it wants or thinks. Guru ji says” abandon it” Discredit it, it creates only hindrances in our love for Him. We obey law, underlining instinct is fear, it also deals with “I” means “I” cannot do always what it wants, there is a Law of the land, in the same way, Law of Lord needs to be feared of. So,Simran puts” I” in back seat and Lord remains priority. Simran leads to that state of mind,</span></strong></p><p> <strong><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">“ Mannyai, Mann rakhyai bhao” is not that simple statement, it is like flying without weight of “ME”, usually, I/ME’ becomes heavy, flying becomes impossible. So, as per Guru, His Simran is not limited to reciting or singing but to transform the soul to be in Harmony in His Ordinance.</span></strong></p><p> <strong><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Thanks !<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></span></strong></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="pk70, post: 88494, member: 5889"] [B][FONT=Arial] Sat Sree Akaal Mahabir Singh ji[/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Arial]Many thanks for your kind words.[/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Arial]To respond to your views (which sound like a question too), I must admit that I never think (thought either) what the Lord wants from us because if my thinking were enough, I would have reached there where still I long to go. Literally, it is the Guru who has advised me that the Lord wants us to live in His love, to be in His simran. Guru asks his followers[/FONT][/B] [B][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਜੋ ਸਾਸਿ ਗਿਰਾਸਿ ਧਿਆਏ ਮੇਰਾ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਸੋ[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=AnmolUniPr] [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=#AB5555][FONT=Raavi]ਗੁਰਸਿਖ[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ੁ ਗੁਰੂ ਮਨਿ ਭਾਵੈ [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=AnmolUniPr](SGGS305)[/FONT][/COLOR] [/B][B][COLOR=black]Jo sās girās [/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma]ḏẖ[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black]i▫ā▫e merā har har so gursik[/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma]ẖ[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black] gurū man b[/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma]ẖ[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black]āvai.[/COLOR] [/B][B][COLOR=black]One who meditates on my Lord, Har, Har, with every breath and every morsel of food - that GurSikh becomes pleasing to the Guru's Mind.[/COLOR] [/B][B][COLOR=green][FONT=AnmolUniPr][/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=black][FONT=AnmolUniPr]Again, Guru stresses on “Simran”[/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=maroon][FONT=AnmolUniPr][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AA%E0%A9%8D%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%AD"][FONT=Raavi]ਪ੍ਰਭ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%BE"][FONT=Raavi]ਕਾ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%A8%E0%A9%81"][FONT=Raavi]ਸਿਮਰਨੁ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%AD"][FONT=Raavi]ਸਭ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A4%E0%A9%87"][FONT=Raavi]ਤੇ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%8A%E0%A8%9A%E0%A8%BE"][FONT=Raavi]ਊਚਾ[/FONT] [/URL][/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=maroon][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][/COLOR] [/B][B][FONT=Tahoma]Parabẖ kā simran sabẖ ṯe ūcẖā.[/FONT] [/B][B][COLOR=maroon][FONT=AnmolUniPr] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AA%E0%A9%8D%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%AD"][FONT=Raavi]ਪ੍ਰਭ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A9%88"][FONT=Raavi]ਕੈ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BF"][FONT=Raavi]ਸਿਮਰਨਿ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%89%E0%A8%A7%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%87"][FONT=Raavi]ਉਧਰੇ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A9%82%E0%A8%9A%E0%A8%BE"][FONT=Raavi]ਮੂਚਾ[/FONT] [/URL][/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=maroon][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][/COLOR] [/B][B][COLOR=navy]Lord's meditation is the most exalted of all.[/COLOR] [/B][B][FONT=Tahoma]Parabẖ kai simran uḏẖre mūcẖā.[/FONT] [/B][B][COLOR=navy]Through Master's meditation many have been saved.(SGGS263)[/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=green][FONT=AnmolUniPr][/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [B][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Arial] Unlike you, I do not want to assume at my own, just am trying to follow what Guru ji asks to do to be worthy of HIM. Guru though says He manifests in us but still Simran is very important as per Guru Advice, even being aware of his being within us ( as you stated in Punjabi), changes the land scrape, Simran helps to be aware of His being within. I wonder why you have taken “Simran” into very limited meaning![/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Arial] Now let’s take on what you have thought about Lord’s wish. As per your statement, He wants our friendship. Well, He is “nirvair”, regardless our behavior towards Him ( Mool Mantra-Japji). After having said that, let’s analyze “our friendship” towards Him. What is friendship?” A relation based on sincerity, love and readiness to sacrifice. If any element out of these misses, friendship remains highly fragile. We remember our friend, we believe in him/her. We think about him/her, it all comes down to” be in love and be aware about the friend.” So does the simran. Guru says [/FONT][/B] [B][COLOR=maroon][FONT=AnmolUniPr][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%AE"][FONT=Raavi]ਹਮ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A9%88%E0%A8%B2%E0%A9%87"][FONT=Raavi]ਮੈਲੇ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A4%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%AE"][FONT=Raavi]ਤੁਮ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%8A%E0%A8%9C%E0%A8%B2"][FONT=Raavi]ਊਜਲ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%A4%E0%A9%87"][FONT=Raavi]ਕਰਤੇ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%AE"][FONT=Raavi]ਹਮ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%97%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%A8"][FONT=Raavi]ਨਿਰਗੁਨ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A4%E0%A9%82"][FONT=Raavi]ਤੂ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A6%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%BE"][FONT=Raavi]ਦਾਤਾ[/FONT] [/URL][/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=maroon][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][/COLOR] [/B][B][FONT=Tahoma]Ham maile ṯum ūjal karṯe ham nirgun ṯū ḏāṯā.[/FONT] [/B][B][COLOR=navy]We are soiled, Thou O Creator art Immaculate, we are virtueless and thou art our Donor.[/COLOR][/B]( [B]means we are not as pure as you are oh Lord, we don’t have those virtues you have)[/B] [B][FONT=Arial] it is a statement one can make only after dismantling” ME/I- force or claims” Guru also, while guiding us towards Him, asks us to mind” Lord’s fear” in our hearts; why? AkaalPurkh loves all, we are supposed to love Him too, then why to fear from Him? Answer is very interesting, it deals with” I/Me force” if it becomes fearless then it does what it wants or thinks. Guru ji says” abandon it” Discredit it, it creates only hindrances in our love for Him. We obey law, underlining instinct is fear, it also deals with “I” means “I” cannot do always what it wants, there is a Law of the land, in the same way, Law of Lord needs to be feared of. So,Simran puts” I” in back seat and Lord remains priority. Simran leads to that state of mind,[/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Arial]“ Mannyai, Mann rakhyai bhao” is not that simple statement, it is like flying without weight of “ME”, usually, I/ME’ becomes heavy, flying becomes impossible. So, as per Guru, His Simran is not limited to reciting or singing but to transform the soul to be in Harmony in His Ordinance.[/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Arial]Thanks !:)[/FONT][/B] [/QUOTE]
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