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Naam Simran And Failure
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<blockquote data-quote="pk70" data-source="post: 88031" data-attributes="member: 5889"><p><strong>re: Naam Simram and Failure</strong></p><p></p><p>Wow a lot of quotes. Pad Pad Pothi Jug Mua Pandit Bhyo na Koi(quote234 ji)</p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>Eropa234 ji</strong></p><p> </p><p> <strong>Let me just clarify the reason of quotes given in the article and in the comments that followed it, Contrary to<u> what your comment states</u> <u> no body has tried to be Pundit</u> <u>by giving quotes</u>. So why it came from you, only your heart carries the secret.</strong></p><p> </p><p> <strong>All quotes are given as a support from Gurbani to support the idea being discussed, it is not done to become “pundits” or put show off to be one, as your <u>sad comprehension</u> is expressed in your “ self created quote” like comment. </strong></p><p> <strong>All quotes are from Sree Guru Granth Sahib ji, because we, Sikhs, value Gurbani highly, as aad Ji has stated with a reference to Guru vaak,, we consider only through Gurbani we can know the Lord, by reading Gurbani, and sharing quotes from Gurbani is to develop understanding of the path to HIM. However, that doesn’t mean we are trying to become “Pundit” </strong></p><p> <strong>What is your intention by just looking at these Gurbani quotes; it is solely your problem. </strong></p><p> </p><p>’ I am only refering to a quote from the great Kabir to whom I admire a great deal.( quote eropa234)’</p><p> <strong>This Sloka of yours obviously appears to be of some ones else because it doesn’t exist in Sree Guru Granth Sahib JI </strong></p><p> </p><p> <strong>I cannot resist giving another Gurbani quote here, it may not be liked by you, so it be; however, it has a capability of breaking the self built wall if understood well.</strong></p><p> <strong><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%90%E0%A8%AC" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਐਬ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਤਨਿ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9A%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%95%E0%A9%9C%E0%A9%8B" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਚਿਕੜੋ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%87%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%81" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਇਹੁ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%A8%E0%A9%81" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਮਨੁ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A9%80%E0%A8%A1%E0%A8%95%E0%A9%8B" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਮੀਡਕੋ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%B2" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਕਮਲ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A9%80" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਕੀ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B0" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸਾਰ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%80" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਨਹੀ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A9%82%E0%A8%B2%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਮੂਲਿ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AA%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%88" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਪਾਈ</span> </a></span></span><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></span><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AD%E0%A8%89%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%81" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਭਉਰੁ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%89%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A6%E0%A9%81" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਉਸਤਾਦੁ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%A4" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਨਿਤ</span></a></span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"></span></span></strong> <strong><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%90%E0%A8%AC" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਐਬ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਤਨਿ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9A%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%95%E0%A9%9C%E0%A9%8B" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਚਿਕੜੋ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%87%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%81" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਇਹੁ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%A8%E0%A9%81" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਮਨੁ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A9%80%E0%A8%A1%E0%A8%95%E0%A9%8B" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਮੀਡਕੋ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%B2" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਕਮਲ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A9%80" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਕੀ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B0" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸਾਰ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%80" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਨਹੀ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A9%82%E0%A8%B2%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਮੂਲਿ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AA%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%88" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਪਾਈ</span> </a></span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></span> </strong><strong><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AD%E0%A8%89%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%81" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਭਉਰੁ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%89%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A6%E0%A9%81" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਉਸਤਾਦੁ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%A4" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਨਿਤ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AD%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%96%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%86" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਭਾਖਿਆ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AC%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%B2%E0%A9%87" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਬੋਲੇ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%89" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਕਿਉ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AC%E0%A9%82%E0%A8%9D%E0%A9%88" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਬੂਝੈ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A8%BE" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਜਾ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%B9" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਨਹ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AC%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%9D%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%88" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਬੁਝਾਈ</span> </a></span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">੨</span></span></strong><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></span> </p><p> Aib= sin/vices , tan= in the body, meedko= frog, saar= value, bhauor ustaad== bumble bee ( hint towards Guru Shabad), bhakhyaa bole= repeats singing( sermons), kio bujhai= why to understand, na bujhaee= if Lord doesn’t make him to understand</p><p> <strong>“Mind being in the dirt of vices doesn’t understand the presence of the Lord within like a frog that doesn’t know the value of the lotus flower nearby him, Though bumble bee sings close to the frog on Lotus flower but he remains indifferent to that, same way, Guru recites the sermons in praise of the Lord, frog like mind, doesn’t understand it. How can it? If Lord doesn’t make it to understand?</strong></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="pk70, post: 88031, member: 5889"] [b]re: Naam Simram and Failure[/b] Wow a lot of quotes. Pad Pad Pothi Jug Mua Pandit Bhyo na Koi(quote234 ji) [B] Eropa234 ji[/B] [B]Let me just clarify the reason of quotes given in the article and in the comments that followed it, Contrary to[U] what your comment states[/U] [U] no body has tried to be Pundit[/U] [U]by giving quotes[/U]. So why it came from you, only your heart carries the secret.[/B] [B]All quotes are given as a support from Gurbani to support the idea being discussed, it is not done to become “pundits” or put show off to be one, as your [U]sad comprehension[/U] is expressed in your “ self created quote” like comment. [/B] [B]All quotes are from Sree Guru Granth Sahib ji, because we, Sikhs, value Gurbani highly, as aad Ji has stated with a reference to Guru vaak,, we consider only through Gurbani we can know the Lord, by reading Gurbani, and sharing quotes from Gurbani is to develop understanding of the path to HIM. However, that doesn’t mean we are trying to become “Pundit” [/B] [B]What is your intention by just looking at these Gurbani quotes; it is solely your problem. [/B] ’ I am only refering to a quote from the great Kabir to whom I admire a great deal.( quote eropa234)’ [B]This Sloka of yours obviously appears to be of some ones else because it doesn’t exist in Sree Guru Granth Sahib JI [/B] [B]I cannot resist giving another Gurbani quote here, it may not be liked by you, so it be; however, it has a capability of breaking the self built wall if understood well.[/B] [B][COLOR=maroon][FONT=AnmolUniPr][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%90%E0%A8%AC"][FONT=Raavi]ਐਬ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BF"][FONT=Raavi]ਤਨਿ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9A%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%95%E0%A9%9C%E0%A9%8B"][FONT=Raavi]ਚਿਕੜੋ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%87%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%81"][FONT=Raavi]ਇਹੁ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%A8%E0%A9%81"][FONT=Raavi]ਮਨੁ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A9%80%E0%A8%A1%E0%A8%95%E0%A9%8B"][FONT=Raavi]ਮੀਡਕੋ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%B2"][FONT=Raavi]ਕਮਲ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A9%80"][FONT=Raavi]ਕੀ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B0"][FONT=Raavi]ਸਾਰ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%80"][FONT=Raavi]ਨਹੀ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A9%82%E0%A8%B2%E0%A8%BF"][FONT=Raavi]ਮੂਲਿ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AA%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%88"][FONT=Raavi]ਪਾਈ[/FONT] [/URL][/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=maroon][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=maroon][FONT=AnmolUniPr][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AD%E0%A8%89%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%81"][FONT=Raavi]ਭਉਰੁ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%89%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A6%E0%A9%81"][FONT=Raavi]ਉਸਤਾਦੁ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%A4"][FONT=Raavi]ਨਿਤ[/FONT][/URL] [/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=maroon][FONT=AnmolUniPr][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%90%E0%A8%AC"][FONT=Raavi]ਐਬ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BF"][FONT=Raavi]ਤਨਿ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9A%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%95%E0%A9%9C%E0%A9%8B"][FONT=Raavi]ਚਿਕੜੋ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%87%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%81"][FONT=Raavi]ਇਹੁ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%A8%E0%A9%81"][FONT=Raavi]ਮਨੁ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A9%80%E0%A8%A1%E0%A8%95%E0%A9%8B"][FONT=Raavi]ਮੀਡਕੋ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%B2"][FONT=Raavi]ਕਮਲ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A9%80"][FONT=Raavi]ਕੀ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B0"][FONT=Raavi]ਸਾਰ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%80"][FONT=Raavi]ਨਹੀ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A9%82%E0%A8%B2%E0%A8%BF"][FONT=Raavi]ਮੂਲਿ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AA%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%88"][FONT=Raavi]ਪਾਈ[/FONT] [/URL][/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=maroon][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][/COLOR] [/B][B][COLOR=maroon][FONT=AnmolUniPr][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AD%E0%A8%89%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%81"][FONT=Raavi]ਭਉਰੁ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%89%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A6%E0%A9%81"][FONT=Raavi]ਉਸਤਾਦੁ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%A4"][FONT=Raavi]ਨਿਤ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AD%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%96%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%86"][FONT=Raavi]ਭਾਖਿਆ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AC%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%B2%E0%A9%87"][FONT=Raavi]ਬੋਲੇ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%89"][FONT=Raavi]ਕਿਉ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AC%E0%A9%82%E0%A8%9D%E0%A9%88"][FONT=Raavi]ਬੂਝੈ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A8%BE"][FONT=Raavi]ਜਾ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%B9"][FONT=Raavi]ਨਹ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AC%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%9D%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%88"][FONT=Raavi]ਬੁਝਾਈ[/FONT] [/URL][/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=maroon][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=maroon][FONT=Raavi]੨[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][COLOR=maroon][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][/COLOR] Aib= sin/vices , tan= in the body, meedko= frog, saar= value, bhauor ustaad== bumble bee ( hint towards Guru Shabad), bhakhyaa bole= repeats singing( sermons), kio bujhai= why to understand, na bujhaee= if Lord doesn’t make him to understand [B]“Mind being in the dirt of vices doesn’t understand the presence of the Lord within like a frog that doesn’t know the value of the lotus flower nearby him, Though bumble bee sings close to the frog on Lotus flower but he remains indifferent to that, same way, Guru recites the sermons in praise of the Lord, frog like mind, doesn’t understand it. How can it? If Lord doesn’t make it to understand?[/B] [/QUOTE]
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