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Mool Mantar - The Blueprint Of Sikhi Marg
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<blockquote data-quote="pk70" data-source="post: 88101" data-attributes="member: 5889"><p><strong>Author of this article has obliviously weaved her own ideas from the words used by Guru ji to express the inexpressible </strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><em><span style="color: navy">Ek Ong Kaar Kaur</span></em></p><p><span style="color: navy"></span></p><p><span style="color: navy"></span><strong><span style="color: green">Ek Ong Kaar</span></strong></p><p></p><p><em><span style="color: green">One Spirit Beyond</span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: green">Moves within the Creation-</span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: green">Coordinating</span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: green">Consolidating</span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: green">Continually</span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: green">Creating</span></em></p><p></p><p><span style="color: navy">To keep the Creator separate from the Creation is not the way of <a href="http://www.sikhism.us/sikh-gurus/18850-guru-nanak-dev-ji.html" target="_blank">Guru Nanak</a>. To see them in a joyful play, intermingling, evolving, finding new expressions of Itself – that is his gift to us.</span></p><p> <strong><span style="color: black">Why this word creating is here? Guru ji addresses “creating concept” through the word “Karta purakh”. It is called assumed interpreting!</span></strong></p><p> </p><p> <span style="color: navy"> “<u>God” is not out there somewhere – pulling strings or watching in</u> </span></p><p> <span style="color: navy">judgment</span></p><p> <strong><span style="color: black"> Of course He is within manifested; however, being immaculate and infinite He is separate too from His creation that is why it is said by Guru that He watches all His creation as per His Ordinance. If those views of Ek onk kar Kaur ji’s are right, why Guru ji says this?</span></strong></p><p> <strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਜਿਨਿ ਉਪਾਈ ਰੰਗਿ ਰਵਾਈ ਬੈਠਾ</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: #ab5555"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਵੇਖੈ</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਵਖਿ ਇਕੇਲਾ </span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'">(SGGS 723)</span></span></strong></p><p><strong></strong><strong><span style="color: black">Jin upā▫ī rang ravā▫ī bai</span></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">ṯẖ</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: black">ā vek</span></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">ẖ</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: black">ai vak</span></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">ẖ</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: black"> ikelā.</span></strong></p><p><strong></strong><strong><span style="color: black">The One who created, and attached the mortals to pleasures, sits alone, and watches this.</span></strong></p><p><strong></strong><strong><span style="color: green"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਮਃ </span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: green"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'">1</span></span></strong></p><p> </p><p> <strong><span style="color: green">Sat Naam</span></strong></p><p><em><span style="color: green">And this Spirit</span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: green">Within meown</span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: green">Is my True Identity.</span></em></p><p></p><p><span style="color: navy">If I can accept what Ek Ong Kaar means – then I must also accept the Presence of the Divine within myself. Perhaps –I do not always see or feel that Presence. But <a href="http://www.sikhism.us/sikh-gurus/18850-guru-nanak-dev-ji.html" target="_blank">Guru Nanak</a> tells us – it is that Divine Presence within us that is our real identity. Our real name. Our real existence. What I see myself as today, “a 38-year-old woman, <a href="http://www.sikhism.us/" target="_blank">Sikh</a>, grew up in </span><span style="color: navy">South Jersey</span><span style="color: navy">, loves to read, likes chocolate, etc.” is a very temporary thing that will change as I age, or vanish as soon as my breath leaves my body. But beyond these definitions, these stored memories, opinions and tastes of a lifetime – there is a Presence, a Life, a Spirit that will keep going. This Presence is part and parcel of the play of Ek Ong Kaar. And that is my True Identity. Sat Naam.</span></p><p> </p><p> <strong><span style="color: black">Satt= means that which exists, “Naam” is used in Gurbani as Lord attributed with many given names. Here Guru ji gives stress on His true existence, <u>not about others or my existence, our existence is temporary</u>, it is called mixing oranges with the apples</span></strong></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="color: green">Kartaa Purakh</span></strong></p><p></p><p><em><span style="color: green">It Does All</span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: green">And Causes All</span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: green">To be Done.</span></em></p><p><span style="color: green">It Protects me</span></p><p><span style="color: green">Through all incidents</span></p><p><span style="color: green">Of Time and Space.</span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: navy">This line takes a bit of subtlety to understand. Because in the previous two phrases, <a href="http://www.sikhism.us/sikh-gurus/18850-guru-nanak-dev-ji.html" target="_blank">Guru Nanak</a> describes first the Power that runs the entire Universe. Second, he shows that this Force behind all of Creation lives inside of my own self, as well. And then what he would like us to understand is that this Power – which flows through all of Creation and flows through me – Does everything and Protects everything.</span></p><p> <strong><span style="color: black">Here His actions are not limited to <u>protection</u>; the game of Lord also includes destruction. Author is not only playing with words but also distorting them to feed her assumptions</span></strong><span style="color: black"></span></p><p><span style="color: black"></span><span style="color: navy">This line may be difficult because it is difficult to believe that the Divine is the Doer. Our mind tells us that, “I am the doer. I am the one who is acting. I am the creator. I am the manipulator. I am the one who can move things and create my life as I want to. I am.” The moment the mind hears that it is NOT the doer, it protests, creates doubts, arguments, becomes defensive and storms around. The mind can become competitive with Divinity, and try to prove that it IS the doer, it IS the protector – and nothing is greater than itself.</span></p><p> <strong><span style="color: black">Accepting Him as a doer (if really one does so as Guru ji stresses on “ Manneeai”(believing truly), it stops illusions of self’ being doer. So Karta word (as creator and destroyer) assembles a complete power Lord has. It also indicates His being active and aware.</span></strong><span style="color: navy"></span></p><p><span style="color: navy"></span></p><p><strong><span style="color: green">Nirbhau</span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: green">Nirvair</span></strong></p><p></p><p><em><span style="color: green">It fears nothing</span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: green">And knows nothing</span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: green">Of vengeance </span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: green">Or anger.</span></em></p><p> </p><p> <span style="color: navy">Anger and fear cannot coexist with love. To fight and see the Divine in the enemy – to know the duty and yet to keep compassion in one’s heart – this is the way of the <a href="http://www.sikhism.us/" target="_blank">Sikh</a>. Where fear and anger are – the <a href="http://www.sikhism.us/" target="_blank">Guru</a>’s words are not. Where the <a href="http://www.sikhism.us/" target="_blank">Guru</a>’s words are, fear and anger have no ground in which to grow. This, to my own mind, is the reason why the <a href="http://www.sikhism.us/" target="_blank">Sikhs</a> in history could face such terrible tortures and horrors and still shine - Because they had cracked this secret of the Mool Mantra. And the experience of Divinity within themselves and within the entire creation was so powerful and so great, that even in the worst circumstances, they could see the Divine in the other person. And so they could go through the challenge with love instead of fear and vengeance. </span></p><p> <strong><span style="color: black">These are virtuous qualities of the Lord</span>; Guru ji is refuting those who think the Lord takes sides” because He doesn’t. Why He would play such games? He has no fear of any one because He is the Master Creator; He bears no animosity because all is His creation. Who contemplate on HIM acquire these virtuous qualities of the Lord eventually</strong>. <strong>Guru Gobind Singh ji not only enabled the Sikhs to understand His Ordinance and to live accordingly through Gurbani in all circumstances but also he prepared them militarily through regular exercises, just by cracking Mool Mantra, warriors were not created</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="color: green">Akaal Moorat</span></strong></p><p></p><p><em><span style="color: green">Deathless</span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: green">It comes into form.</span></em></p><p> <strong><span style="color: black">This is total distortion of the word” Akaal Murat” because if Authors’ interpretation is accepted, what we will do with the next word” ajooni” so the interpretation “Deathless and it comes into form” is total violation of Guru Message. By the way who permeates in all, why He needs to come into any particular form? His form is beyond death period.</span></strong></p><p></p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="color: green">Ajoonee</span></strong></p><p></p><p><em><span style="color: green">In Itself, It has</span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: green">Never been born.</span></em></p><p> <strong><span style="color: black">This interpretation of Ek Ong Kar Kaur, contradicts with her interpretation of” it comes into form” Obviously mind is jumping to its own conclusions without understanding the application of the word used here.</span></strong><span style="color: black"> <strong>This only happens when people give more importance to their own thought instead of conveying only Guru Message</strong></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><strong></strong></span></p><p><span style="color: navy">Deathless in Form. Never been born. Though the mind has no capacity to logically map it, our Spirit has always existed and will continue to exist always. No death. No birth. No beginning. No end. Just one big play, one continuous learning – shifting from form to form through time and space.</span></p><p> <strong><span style="color: black">Here Author is talking like Tao kind continuity or Buddhism’s perception of soul. Taking form is also means taking birth too in different ways if it is used in context of beings( unlike planets that come into different forms by striking with each other etc) I wish Ek Ong Kar Kaur, stressed here only on His being beyond birth instead of bringing other stuff into it.</span></strong><span style="color: black"></span></p><p><span style="color: black"></span> </p><p></p><p><strong><span style="color: green">Saibhang</span></strong></p><p></p><p><em><u><span style="color: green">Flowing through the cycles</span></u></em></p><p><em><u><span style="color: green">Of Birth and Death,</span></u></em></p><p><em><u><span style="color: green"></span></u><span style="color: green">It Moves</span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: green">By Its Own</span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: green">Purity and Projection.</span></em></p><p></p><p><span style="color: navy">Life needs definition to fulfill itself. And for most of us – the mind gives us our definition. We are “lawyers,” “engineers,” “lovers,” “ministers,” “writers,” “rebels,” – words, pictures, images that direct how we use our breath, our voice, our creativity to form our own lives.</span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: navy"><a href="http://www.sikhism.us/sikh-gurus/18850-guru-nanak-dev-ji.html" target="_blank">Guru Nanak</a> gives us a different definition. Saibhang. It’s a definition that applies to the soul, to the spirit.</span></p><p> </p><p> <strong><span style="color: black">No HE doesn’t. It is stressed in Gurbani, the Lord doesn’t go through cycle of birth and death, why own ideas are cooked by distorting the word”saibhang”?I wonder ! Guru ji answers an implied question,” if He is beyond birth and death, how is he in existence then?”, as already it is stressed through” SATNAAM, HE does exist in reality. Answer comes “He is from Himself; there is no other help in His being”. Further Guru ji states, He spreads Himself”</span></strong></p><p> <strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਕੀਤਾ ਪਸਾਉ ਏਕੋ</span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਕਵਾਉ</span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></span></strong><span style="color: black"></span></p><p><span style="color: black"></span><span style="color: black">Kī</span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">ṯ</span></span><span style="color: black">ā pasā▫o eko kavā▫o.</span></p><p><strong><span style="color: navy">With One Word Thou didst affect the world's expansion</span></strong></p><p> </p><p> <strong><span style="color: black">I have read first time so disturbing interpretation of “Moolmantra</span></strong><strong><span style="color: navy">”</span></strong></p><p></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="color: navy"><img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite3" alt=":(" title="Frown :(" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":(" /></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: navy"></span></strong></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="pk70, post: 88101, member: 5889"] [B]Author of this article has obliviously weaved her own ideas from the words used by Guru ji to express the inexpressible [/B] [I][COLOR=navy]Ek Ong Kaar Kaur[/COLOR][/I] [COLOR=navy] [/COLOR][B][COLOR=green]Ek Ong Kaar[/COLOR][/B] [I][COLOR=green]One Spirit Beyond Moves within the Creation- Coordinating Consolidating Continually Creating[/COLOR][/I] [COLOR=navy]To keep the Creator separate from the Creation is not the way of [URL="http://www.sikhism.us/sikh-gurus/18850-guru-nanak-dev-ji.html"]Guru Nanak[/URL]. To see them in a joyful play, intermingling, evolving, finding new expressions of Itself – that is his gift to us.[/COLOR] [B][COLOR=black]Why this word creating is here? Guru ji addresses “creating concept” through the word “Karta purakh”. It is called assumed interpreting![/COLOR][/B] [COLOR=navy] “[U]God” is not out there somewhere – pulling strings or watching in[/U] [/COLOR] [COLOR=navy]judgment[/COLOR] [B][COLOR=black] Of course He is within manifested; however, being immaculate and infinite He is separate too from His creation that is why it is said by Guru that He watches all His creation as per His Ordinance. If those views of Ek onk kar Kaur ji’s are right, why Guru ji says this?[/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਜਿਨਿ ਉਪਾਈ ਰੰਗਿ ਰਵਾਈ ਬੈਠਾ[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=#ab5555][FONT=Raavi]ਵੇਖੈ[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਵਖਿ ਇਕੇਲਾ [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=AnmolUniPr](SGGS 723)[/FONT][/COLOR] [/B][B][COLOR=black]Jin upā▫ī rang ravā▫ī bai[/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma]ṯẖ[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black]ā vek[/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma]ẖ[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black]ai vak[/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma]ẖ[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black] ikelā.[/COLOR] [/B][B][COLOR=black]The One who created, and attached the mortals to pleasures, sits alone, and watches this.[/COLOR] [/B][B][COLOR=green][FONT=Raavi]ਮਃ [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=green][FONT=AnmolUniPr]1[/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=green]Sat Naam[/COLOR][/B] [I][COLOR=green]And this Spirit Within meown Is my True Identity.[/COLOR][/I] [COLOR=navy]If I can accept what Ek Ong Kaar means – then I must also accept the Presence of the Divine within myself. Perhaps –I do not always see or feel that Presence. But [URL="http://www.sikhism.us/sikh-gurus/18850-guru-nanak-dev-ji.html"]Guru Nanak[/URL] tells us – it is that Divine Presence within us that is our real identity. Our real name. Our real existence. What I see myself as today, “a 38-year-old woman, [URL="http://www.sikhism.us/"]Sikh[/URL], grew up in [/COLOR][COLOR=navy]South Jersey[/COLOR][COLOR=navy], loves to read, likes chocolate, etc.” is a very temporary thing that will change as I age, or vanish as soon as my breath leaves my body. But beyond these definitions, these stored memories, opinions and tastes of a lifetime – there is a Presence, a Life, a Spirit that will keep going. This Presence is part and parcel of the play of Ek Ong Kaar. And that is my True Identity. Sat Naam.[/COLOR] [B][COLOR=black]Satt= means that which exists, “Naam” is used in Gurbani as Lord attributed with many given names. Here Guru ji gives stress on His true existence, [U]not about others or my existence, our existence is temporary[/U], it is called mixing oranges with the apples[/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=green]Kartaa Purakh[/COLOR][/B] [I][COLOR=green]It Does All And Causes All To be Done.[/COLOR][/I] [COLOR=green]It Protects me Through all incidents Of Time and Space.[/COLOR] [COLOR=navy]This line takes a bit of subtlety to understand. Because in the previous two phrases, [URL="http://www.sikhism.us/sikh-gurus/18850-guru-nanak-dev-ji.html"]Guru Nanak[/URL] describes first the Power that runs the entire Universe. Second, he shows that this Force behind all of Creation lives inside of my own self, as well. And then what he would like us to understand is that this Power – which flows through all of Creation and flows through me – Does everything and Protects everything.[/COLOR] [B][COLOR=black]Here His actions are not limited to [U]protection[/U]; the game of Lord also includes destruction. Author is not only playing with words but also distorting them to feed her assumptions[/COLOR][/B][COLOR=black] [/COLOR][COLOR=navy]This line may be difficult because it is difficult to believe that the Divine is the Doer. Our mind tells us that, “I am the doer. I am the one who is acting. I am the creator. I am the manipulator. I am the one who can move things and create my life as I want to. I am.” The moment the mind hears that it is NOT the doer, it protests, creates doubts, arguments, becomes defensive and storms around. The mind can become competitive with Divinity, and try to prove that it IS the doer, it IS the protector – and nothing is greater than itself.[/COLOR] [B][COLOR=black]Accepting Him as a doer (if really one does so as Guru ji stresses on “ Manneeai”(believing truly), it stops illusions of self’ being doer. So Karta word (as creator and destroyer) assembles a complete power Lord has. It also indicates His being active and aware.[/COLOR][/B][COLOR=navy] [/COLOR] [B][COLOR=green]Nirbhau Nirvair[/COLOR][/B] [I][COLOR=green]It fears nothing And knows nothing Of vengeance Or anger.[/COLOR][/I] [COLOR=navy]Anger and fear cannot coexist with love. To fight and see the Divine in the enemy – to know the duty and yet to keep compassion in one’s heart – this is the way of the [URL="http://www.sikhism.us/"]Sikh[/URL]. Where fear and anger are – the [URL="http://www.sikhism.us/"]Guru[/URL]’s words are not. Where the [URL="http://www.sikhism.us/"]Guru[/URL]’s words are, fear and anger have no ground in which to grow. This, to my own mind, is the reason why the [URL="http://www.sikhism.us/"]Sikhs[/URL] in history could face such terrible tortures and horrors and still shine - Because they had cracked this secret of the Mool Mantra. And the experience of Divinity within themselves and within the entire creation was so powerful and so great, that even in the worst circumstances, they could see the Divine in the other person. And so they could go through the challenge with love instead of fear and vengeance. [/COLOR] [B][COLOR=black]These are virtuous qualities of the Lord[/COLOR]; Guru ji is refuting those who think the Lord takes sides” because He doesn’t. Why He would play such games? He has no fear of any one because He is the Master Creator; He bears no animosity because all is His creation. Who contemplate on HIM acquire these virtuous qualities of the Lord eventually[/B]. [B]Guru Gobind Singh ji not only enabled the Sikhs to understand His Ordinance and to live accordingly through Gurbani in all circumstances but also he prepared them militarily through regular exercises, just by cracking Mool Mantra, warriors were not created [/B] [B][COLOR=green]Akaal Moorat[/COLOR][/B] [I][COLOR=green]Deathless It comes into form.[/COLOR][/I] [B][COLOR=black]This is total distortion of the word” Akaal Murat” because if Authors’ interpretation is accepted, what we will do with the next word” ajooni” so the interpretation “Deathless and it comes into form” is total violation of Guru Message. By the way who permeates in all, why He needs to come into any particular form? His form is beyond death period.[/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=green]Ajoonee[/COLOR][/B] [I][COLOR=green]In Itself, It has Never been born.[/COLOR][/I] [B][COLOR=black]This interpretation of Ek Ong Kar Kaur, contradicts with her interpretation of” it comes into form” Obviously mind is jumping to its own conclusions without understanding the application of the word used here.[/COLOR][/B][COLOR=black] [B]This only happens when people give more importance to their own thought instead of conveying only Guru Message [/B][/COLOR] [COLOR=navy]Deathless in Form. Never been born. Though the mind has no capacity to logically map it, our Spirit has always existed and will continue to exist always. No death. No birth. No beginning. No end. Just one big play, one continuous learning – shifting from form to form through time and space.[/COLOR] [B][COLOR=black]Here Author is talking like Tao kind continuity or Buddhism’s perception of soul. Taking form is also means taking birth too in different ways if it is used in context of beings( unlike planets that come into different forms by striking with each other etc) I wish Ek Ong Kar Kaur, stressed here only on His being beyond birth instead of bringing other stuff into it.[/COLOR][/B][COLOR=black] [/COLOR] [B][COLOR=green]Saibhang[/COLOR][/B] [I][U][COLOR=green]Flowing through the cycles Of Birth and Death, [/COLOR][/U][COLOR=green]It Moves By Its Own Purity and Projection.[/COLOR][/I] [COLOR=navy]Life needs definition to fulfill itself. And for most of us – the mind gives us our definition. We are “lawyers,” “engineers,” “lovers,” “ministers,” “writers,” “rebels,” – words, pictures, images that direct how we use our breath, our voice, our creativity to form our own lives.[/COLOR] [COLOR=navy][URL="http://www.sikhism.us/sikh-gurus/18850-guru-nanak-dev-ji.html"]Guru Nanak[/URL] gives us a different definition. Saibhang. It’s a definition that applies to the soul, to the spirit.[/COLOR] [B][COLOR=black]No HE doesn’t. It is stressed in Gurbani, the Lord doesn’t go through cycle of birth and death, why own ideas are cooked by distorting the word”saibhang”?I wonder ! Guru ji answers an implied question,” if He is beyond birth and death, how is he in existence then?”, as already it is stressed through” SATNAAM, HE does exist in reality. Answer comes “He is from Himself; there is no other help in His being”. Further Guru ji states, He spreads Himself”[/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਕੀਤਾ ਪਸਾਉ ਏਕੋ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਕਵਾਉ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][COLOR=black] [/COLOR][COLOR=black]Kī[/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma]ṯ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black]ā pasā▫o eko kavā▫o.[/COLOR] [B][COLOR=navy]With One Word Thou didst affect the world's expansion[/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=black]I have read first time so disturbing interpretation of “Moolmantra[/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=navy]”[/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=navy]:( [/COLOR][/B] [/QUOTE]
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