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<blockquote data-quote="Ambarsaria" data-source="post: 143246" data-attributes="member: 14194"><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span> <!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <w:WordDocument> <w:View>Normal</w:View> <w:Zoom>0</w:Zoom> <w<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />unctuationKerning/> <w:ValidateAgainstSchemas/> <w:SaveIfXMLInvalid>false</w:SaveIfXMLInvalid> <w:IgnoreMixedContent>false</w:IgnoreMixedContent> <w:AlwaysShowPlaceholderText>false</w:AlwaysShowPlaceholderText> <w:Compatibility> <w:BreakWrappedTables/> <w:SnapToGridInCell/> <w:WrapTextWithPunct/> <w:UseAsianBreakRules/> <w<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big Grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" />ontGrowAutofit/> <w:UseFELayout/> </w:Compatibility> <w:BrowserLevel>MicrosoftInternetExplorer4</w:BrowserLevel> </w:WordDocument> </xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <w:LatentStyles DefLockedState="false" LatentStyleCount="156"> </w:LatentStyles> </xml><![endif]--><!--[if !mso]><object classid="clsid:38481807-CA0E-42D2-BF39-B33AF135CC4D" id=ieooui></object> <style> st1\:*{behavior:url(#ieooui) } </style> <![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 10]> <style> /* Style Definitions */ table.MsoNormalTable {mso-style-name:"Table Normal"; mso-tstyle-rowband-size:0; mso-tstyle-colband-size:0; mso-style-noshow:yes; mso-style-parent:""; mso-padding-alt:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt; mso-para-margin:0in; mso-para-margin-bottom:.0001pt; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-ansi-language:#0400; mso-fareast-language:#0400; mso-bidi-language:#0400;} </style> <![endif]--><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Gyani Jarnail Singh ji I am so sorry to disagree on this matter as per comments below. It is upsetting for me to write the following and I stand corrected if need be and as appropriate.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">I will paraphrase it in a "<u><strong>Yes</strong></u>" and "<u><strong><span style="color: Red">But</span></strong></u>" manner point by point to what my experiences were living in part of this era in Amritsar.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><strong><u>Preface</u>:</strong></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Master Tara Singh was no question better than the highly in-effective leadership available today. He lived near Khalsa College Amritsar and I rode my bike past his house ) well walled nice house) near Khalsa College Amritsar. I also rode many a times past their family Gun Shop near Ucha Pul (High Bridge) just east of Amritsar railway station.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">During my era of understanding (as I was growing up during those times), things going on around Amritsar, the following was observed,</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span> </p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"> The Morchas (recognition of a Sikh state as part of India) were never ending.</span></li> </ul><p></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"> These were a joke of the day till his death.</span></li> </ul> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <ul style="margin-left: 20px"> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">I watched in Darbar Sahib (Harmandir Sahib) Amritsar many villagers would come to join</span></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"> The poor and mis-led folks would have little (gathrian (small cloth knotted </span></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"> goodies with them to sustain them)</span></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">The Police buses always were waiting for them to leave the Ramdas Saran gates.</span></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">The people would be arrested and released in far away places</span></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">In the mean time Master Tara Singh ji would be whisked away to beautiful Dharamsala Hill station in the name of arrest</span></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">He also started these fasting to death garbage and suddenly would have orange juice available at the appropriate moment.</span></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">These actions changed the Sikh psyche in Punjab from one of "warriors and winners" to "whiners and losers"</span></li> </ul> <ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">I saw his funeral procession and saw his body and it appeared serene, sign of a peaceful death. So it must be that he was at peace with himself.</li> </ul><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">I am not judging Master Tara Singh ji's character or spirituality (it is not my place and he perhaps was a superior man to what one could ever dream to be), just the affect of his leadership on Sikhs destiny as it exists today.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Now Point by Point:</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">1. <u><strong>Yes</strong></u> -</span><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="color: Red"><u><strong></strong></u></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="color: Red"><u><strong>But</strong></u></span> </span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">- The legacy and seeds sown from these early days are showing fruit,</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"> <a href="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/1984-anti-sikh-pogrom/" target="_blank">http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/1984-anti-sikh-pogrom/</a></span></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"> <a href="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/1984-anti-sikh-pogrom/34554-1984-sikh-genocide-26-years-new.html" target="_blank">http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/1984-anti-sikh-pogrom/34554-1984-sikh-genocide-26-years-new.html</a></span></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"> <a href="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/1984-anti-sikh-pogrom/34617-1984-sikh-haryana-mass-killings-why.html" target="_blank">http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/1984-anti-sikh-pogrom/34617-1984-sikh-haryana-mass-killings-why.html</a></span></li> </ul><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><u><em>So</em></u> </span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">- Who really should care about that ancestral empty home when people are locked up and burned in their homes!</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">2. </span><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><u><strong>Yes</strong></u></span><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"> </span><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="color: Red"><u><strong></strong></u></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="color: Red"><u><strong>But</strong></u></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"> </span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">- What seeds did he sow for half of Punjab that he saved!</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"> - Punjab is like "chiri da boat" (as small as a sparrow's hatchling.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"> - Don't be surprised that in not too distant future there will be more Hindu </span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">residents in Punjab than Sikhs (UN classifies this as Cultural Genocide regardless of the root cause and majority is always to be blamed, Hindus who spoke Punjabi and declared Hindi during census leading to disastrous divisioning of Punjab in 1967).</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"> - This will be the final nail in the coffin for the so called "Sikh Punjab" that </span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Master ji so in-effectively sough out</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><u><em>So</em></u> </span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">- Who cares, he really put Sikhism in Punjab on a slide that it may never recover from</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"> - If he had not sought and carried out to oblivion and carried out in-effectively the demand for "Punjabi Subah", Sikhism border town would be Delhi and not (Patiala, Ambala, etc., vicinities)</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"> - As Partap Singh Kairon (the last Sikh politician with greater Punjab vision) used to say, "I will get everyone to speak Punjabi all the way to Delhi". It is our mis-fortune that his family destroyed him and he was murdered in mysterious circumstances. Many said he was becoming too strong to the liking of Congress leaders in Delhi. Probably the start of a systematic destruction of part of Punjab as known by Sikhs as their home for centuries.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">3. </span><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><u><strong>Yes</strong></u></span><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"> -</span><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"> </span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="color: Red"><u><strong>But</strong></u></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"> </span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">- This probably would have put Hindu Brahmnic fanatacism in check and saved us of such cancer that Sikhism is enduring and will endure for foreseeable future beyond most of our life times. </span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"> - It could also be said that India would have helped Sikhs get a country of their own if they were not made a special territory to start with like "Nepal", "Bhutan" and "Sikkim"</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"> - Wouldn't that have been better in the long term for Sikhism and Punjabis, I wonder!</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"> - Not seeking such a status was perhaps the greatest mistake of the Sikhs in the twentieth century. Who was there at the time, definitely Master Tara Singh and the Sikh Maharajahs!</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">4. </span><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><u><strong>Yes</strong></u></span><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"> </span></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">I trust it is quite true. However, I did not know much about his personal life but saw his political and religious activities.</span></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">What we have in Punjab today, I agree with you, worse than nothing.</span></li> </ul><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="color: Red"><u><strong>But</strong></u></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"> </span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">- Was he effective as a Sikh leader with foresight and where withal required for the role, hardly!</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"> - Look at succession through Sant Fateh Singh (start of "Sant" ing of Sikhs and greater mediocrity), what could be worse. He also continued the fast to death "dhakvanj" (folly) where people only were interested on what day the orange juice will be served. He went further and did a "dhakvanj" (folly) to self-immolate atop Akal Takhat Sahib. Where is Sikhi in that! We went on our roofs to see the smoke and were highly disappointed for continuous deferrals and final cancellation.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">I humbly submit above in the interests of the subject of this thread. I have no ill feelings about Master Tara Singh ji's personal life or attributes but have observations on actions affecting Punjab and Sikhism.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Sat Sri Akal.</span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ambarsaria, post: 143246, member: 14194"] [FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT] <!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <w:WordDocument> <w:View>Normal</w:View> <w:Zoom>0</w:Zoom> <w:PunctuationKerning/> <w:ValidateAgainstSchemas/> <w:SaveIfXMLInvalid>false</w:SaveIfXMLInvalid> <w:IgnoreMixedContent>false</w:IgnoreMixedContent> <w:AlwaysShowPlaceholderText>false</w:AlwaysShowPlaceholderText> <w:Compatibility> <w:BreakWrappedTables/> <w:SnapToGridInCell/> <w:WrapTextWithPunct/> <w:UseAsianBreakRules/> <w:DontGrowAutofit/> <w:UseFELayout/> </w:Compatibility> <w:BrowserLevel>MicrosoftInternetExplorer4</w:BrowserLevel> </w:WordDocument> </xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <w:LatentStyles DefLockedState="false" LatentStyleCount="156"> </w:LatentStyles> </xml><![endif]--><!--[if !mso]><object classid="clsid:38481807-CA0E-42D2-BF39-B33AF135CC4D" id=ieooui></object> <style> st1\:*{behavior:url(#ieooui) } </style> <![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 10]> <style> /* Style Definitions */ table.MsoNormalTable {mso-style-name:"Table Normal"; mso-tstyle-rowband-size:0; mso-tstyle-colband-size:0; mso-style-noshow:yes; mso-style-parent:""; mso-padding-alt:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt; mso-para-margin:0in; mso-para-margin-bottom:.0001pt; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-ansi-language:#0400; mso-fareast-language:#0400; mso-bidi-language:#0400;} </style> <![endif]-->[FONT=Verdana]Gyani Jarnail Singh ji I am so sorry to disagree on this matter as per comments below. It is upsetting for me to write the following and I stand corrected if need be and as appropriate. I will paraphrase it in a "[U][B]Yes[/B][/U]" and "[U][B][COLOR=Red]But[/COLOR][/B][/U]" manner point by point to what my experiences were living in part of this era in Amritsar. [B][U]Preface[/U]:[/B] Master Tara Singh was no question better than the highly in-effective leadership available today. He lived near Khalsa College Amritsar and I rode my bike past his house ) well walled nice house) near Khalsa College Amritsar. I also rode many a times past their family Gun Shop near Ucha Pul (High Bridge) just east of Amritsar railway station. During my era of understanding (as I was growing up during those times), things going on around Amritsar, the following was observed, [/FONT] [LIST] [*][FONT=Verdana] The Morchas (recognition of a Sikh state as part of India) were never ending.[/FONT] [/LIST] [LIST] [*][FONT=Verdana] These were a joke of the day till his death.[/FONT] [/LIST] [INDENT] [LIST] [*][FONT=Verdana]I watched in Darbar Sahib (Harmandir Sahib) Amritsar many villagers would come to join[/FONT] [*][FONT=Verdana] The poor and mis-led folks would have little (gathrian (small cloth knotted [/FONT] [*][FONT=Verdana] goodies with them to sustain them)[/FONT] [*][FONT=Verdana]The Police buses always were waiting for them to leave the Ramdas Saran gates.[/FONT] [*][FONT=Verdana]The people would be arrested and released in far away places[/FONT] [*][FONT=Verdana]In the mean time Master Tara Singh ji would be whisked away to beautiful Dharamsala Hill station in the name of arrest[/FONT] [*][FONT=Verdana]He also started these fasting to death garbage and suddenly would have orange juice available at the appropriate moment.[/FONT] [*][FONT=Verdana]These actions changed the Sikh psyche in Punjab from one of "warriors and winners" to "whiners and losers"[/FONT] [/LIST] [/INDENT] [LIST] [*]I saw his funeral procession and saw his body and it appeared serene, sign of a peaceful death. So it must be that he was at peace with himself. [/LIST] [FONT=Verdana] I am not judging Master Tara Singh ji's character or spirituality (it is not my place and he perhaps was a superior man to what one could ever dream to be), just the affect of his leadership on Sikhs destiny as it exists today. Now Point by Point: 1. [U][B]Yes[/B][/U] -[/FONT][FONT=Verdana][COLOR=Red][U][B] But[/B][/U][/COLOR] - The legacy and seeds sown from these early days are showing fruit, [/FONT] [LIST] [*][FONT=Verdana] [URL]http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/1984-anti-sikh-pogrom/[/URL][/FONT] [*][FONT=Verdana] [URL]http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/1984-anti-sikh-pogrom/34554-1984-sikh-genocide-26-years-new.html[/URL][/FONT] [*][FONT=Verdana] [URL]http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/1984-anti-sikh-pogrom/34617-1984-sikh-haryana-mass-killings-why.html[/URL][/FONT] [/LIST] [FONT=Verdana] [U][I]So[/I][/U] - Who really should care about that ancestral empty home when people are locked up and burned in their homes! 2. [/FONT][FONT=Verdana][U][B]Yes[/B][/U][/FONT][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][FONT=Verdana][COLOR=Red][U][B] But[/B][/U][/COLOR][/FONT][FONT=Verdana] - What seeds did he sow for half of Punjab that he saved! - Punjab is like "chiri da boat" (as small as a sparrow's hatchling. - Don't be surprised that in not too distant future there will be more Hindu residents in Punjab than Sikhs (UN classifies this as Cultural Genocide regardless of the root cause and majority is always to be blamed, Hindus who spoke Punjabi and declared Hindi during census leading to disastrous divisioning of Punjab in 1967). - This will be the final nail in the coffin for the so called "Sikh Punjab" that Master ji so in-effectively sough out [U][I]So[/I][/U] - Who cares, he really put Sikhism in Punjab on a slide that it may never recover from - If he had not sought and carried out to oblivion and carried out in-effectively the demand for "Punjabi Subah", Sikhism border town would be Delhi and not (Patiala, Ambala, etc., vicinities) - As Partap Singh Kairon (the last Sikh politician with greater Punjab vision) used to say, "I will get everyone to speak Punjabi all the way to Delhi". It is our mis-fortune that his family destroyed him and he was murdered in mysterious circumstances. Many said he was becoming too strong to the liking of Congress leaders in Delhi. Probably the start of a systematic destruction of part of Punjab as known by Sikhs as their home for centuries. 3. [/FONT][FONT=Verdana][U][B]Yes[/B][/U][/FONT][FONT=Verdana] -[/FONT][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][FONT=Verdana][COLOR=Red][U][B]But[/B][/U][/COLOR][/FONT][FONT=Verdana] - This probably would have put Hindu Brahmnic fanatacism in check and saved us of such cancer that Sikhism is enduring and will endure for foreseeable future beyond most of our life times. - It could also be said that India would have helped Sikhs get a country of their own if they were not made a special territory to start with like "Nepal", "Bhutan" and "Sikkim" [/FONT][INDENT][FONT=Verdana] - Wouldn't that have been better in the long term for Sikhism and Punjabis, I wonder![/FONT] [/INDENT][FONT=Verdana] - Not seeking such a status was perhaps the greatest mistake of the Sikhs in the twentieth century. Who was there at the time, definitely Master Tara Singh and the Sikh Maharajahs! 4. [/FONT][FONT=Verdana][U][B]Yes[/B][/U][/FONT][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT] [LIST] [*][FONT=Verdana]I trust it is quite true. However, I did not know much about his personal life but saw his political and religious activities.[/FONT] [*][FONT=Verdana]What we have in Punjab today, I agree with you, worse than nothing.[/FONT] [/LIST] [FONT=Verdana][COLOR=Red][U][B]But[/B][/U][/COLOR][/FONT][FONT=Verdana] - Was he effective as a Sikh leader with foresight and where withal required for the role, hardly! - Look at succession through Sant Fateh Singh (start of "Sant" ing of Sikhs and greater mediocrity), what could be worse. He also continued the fast to death "dhakvanj" (folly) where people only were interested on what day the orange juice will be served. He went further and did a "dhakvanj" (folly) to self-immolate atop Akal Takhat Sahib. Where is Sikhi in that! We went on our roofs to see the smoke and were highly disappointed for continuous deferrals and final cancellation. I humbly submit above in the interests of the subject of this thread. I have no ill feelings about Master Tara Singh ji's personal life or attributes but have observations on actions affecting Punjab and Sikhism. Sat Sri Akal.[/FONT] [/QUOTE]
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