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Gurbani (14-53)
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Pahre (74-78)
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ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਝ | Raag Maajh
Gurbani (94-109)
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Ashtpadi (129-130)
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Bara Maha (133-136)
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ਰਾਗੁ ਗਉੜੀ | Raag Gauree
Gurbani (151-185)
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Gurbani (347-348)
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Gurbani (489-503)
Ashtpadiyan (503-508)
Vaar Gujari (508-517)
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Gurbani (527-536)
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Ghoriaan (575-578)
Alaahaniiaa (578-582)
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Gurbani (595-634)
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Gurbani (660-685)
Astpadhiya (685-687)
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ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਤਸਰੀ | Raag Jaitsree
Gurbani (696-703)
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Gurbani (721-727)
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Gurbani (728-750)
Ashtpadiyan (750-761)
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Suchajee (762)
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Vaar Soohee (785-792)
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Gurbani (795-831)
Ashtpadiyan (831-838)
Thitteen (838-840)
Vaar Sat (841-843)
Chhant (843-848)
Vaar Bilaaval (849-855)
Bhagat Bani (855-858)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੋਂਡ | Raag Gond
Gurbani (859-869)
Ashtpadiyan (869)
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Ashtpadiyan (902-916)
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Anand (917-922)
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Dakhnee (929-938)
Sidh Gosat (938-946)
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ਰਾਗੁ ਨਟ ਨਾਰਾਇਨ | Raag Nat Narayan
Gurbani (975-980)
Ashtpadiyan (980-983)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਲੀ ਗਉੜਾ | Raag Maalee Gauraa
Gurbani (984-988)
Bhagat Bani (988)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਰੂ | Raag Maaroo
Gurbani (889-1008)
Ashtpadiyan (1008-1014)
Kaafee (1014-1016)
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Anjulian (1019-1020)
Solhe (1020-1033)
Dakhni (1033-1043)
ਰਾਗੁ ਤੁਖਾਰੀ | Raag Tukhaari
Bara Maha (1107-1110)
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ਰਾਗੁ ਕੇਦਾਰਾ | Raag Kedara
Gurbani (1118-1123)
Bhagat Bani (1123-1124)
ਰਾਗੁ ਭੈਰਉ | Raag Bhairo
Gurbani (1125-1152)
Partaal (1153)
Ashtpadiyan (1153-1167)
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Gurbani (1168-1187)
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Vaar Basant (1193-1196)
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Gurbani (1197-1200)
Partaal (1200-1231)
Ashtpadiyan (1232-1236)
Chhant (1236-1237)
Vaar Saarang (1237-1253)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਲਾਰ | Raag Malaar
Gurbani (1254-1293)
Partaal (1265-1273)
Ashtpadiyan (1273-1278)
Chhant (1278)
Vaar Malaar (1278-91)
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Gurbani (1294-96)
Partaal (1296-1318)
Ashtpadiyan (1308-1312)
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Vaar Kaanraa
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Gurmat Vichaar
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Literal Meaning Of Gurbani
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<blockquote data-quote="Randip Singh" data-source="post: 74400" data-attributes="member: 1323"><p style="text-align: left"></p> <p style="text-align: left">What you have stated is the 64 million dollar question. What constitutes a metaphor and what is to be taken literally.</p> <p style="text-align: left"></p> <p style="text-align: left">A way of training ones mind into what is a metaphor in Bani are Bhai Gurdas's Vars eg:</p><p></p><p></p><p><em><span style="color: #ff0000"><p style="text-align: left">Just as one has to tie pail`s neck while taking out water</p><p></span></em><span style="color: #ff0000"><p style="text-align: left">, </p><p><em><p style="text-align: left">Just as to get Mani, snake is to be killed</p><p></em><p style="text-align: left"> </p></span></p><p style="text-align: left"><span style="color: #ff0000"><em>Just as to get Kasturi from deer`s neck, deer is to be killed</em> </p></span></p><p style="text-align: left"><span style="color: #ff0000"><em>Just as to get oil, oil seeds are to be crushed</em> </p></span></p><p style="text-align: left"><span style="color: #ff0000"><em>To get kernel, pomegranate is to be broken</em> </p></span></p><p style="text-align: left"><span style="color: #ff0000"><em>Similarly to correct senseless people, sword has to be taken up.</em> </p><p></span><p style="text-align: left"></p><p><strong><span style="color: #0000ff"><p style="text-align: left">Bhai Gurdas, Var-34, pauri 13</p><p></span></strong><span style="color: #0000ff"><p style="text-align: left"> </p><p></span><p style="text-align: left"></p> <p style="text-align: left"></p> <p style="text-align: left"></p> <p style="text-align: left">Bhai Gurdas's Vars are called the key for a reason to Bani. They trains one's mind into the metaphor mindset.</p> <p style="text-align: left"></p> <p style="text-align: left">Guru Nanak had many conversation's with Sufi's and Saints and their method of communication was metaphor too. Eg "Tie two Birds together even they have four wings they cannot fly" (Jalaludin Rumi) . PS I am not saying Guru Nanak met Rumi..</p> <p style="text-align: left"></p> <p style="text-align: left">Lets analyse a Tukh from Bani:</p> <p style="text-align: left"></p> <p style="text-align: left">Page 143 of the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji </p><p></p><p><em><span style="color: #ff0000"><p style="text-align: left">mehlaa 1.</p><p></span></em><span style="color: #ff0000"><p style="text-align: left"> </p><p><em><p style="text-align: left">vaykh je mithaa kati-aa kat kut baDhaa paa-ay.</p><p></em><p style="text-align: left"></p></span></p><p style="text-align: left"><span style="color: #ff0000"><em>khundhaa andar rakh kai dayn so mal sajaa-ay.</em> </p></span></p><p style="text-align: left"><span style="color: #ff0000"><em>ras kas tatar paa-ee-ai tapai tai villaa-ay.</em> </p></span></p><p style="text-align: left"><span style="color: #ff0000"><em>bhee so fog samaalee-ai dichai ag jaalaa-ay.</em> </p></span></p><p style="text-align: left"><span style="color: #ff0000"><em>naanak mithai patree-ai vaykhhu lokaa aa-ay.</em></p><p><em></em></span></p><p><span style="color: #ff0000"><em></em><p style="text-align: left"></p></span></p><p style="text-align: left"><span style="color: #ff0000"><em>First Mehl:</em> </p></span></p><p style="text-align: left"><span style="color: #ff0000"><em>Look, and see how the sugar-cane is cut down. After cutting away its branches, its feet are bound together into bundles,</em> </p></span></p><p style="text-align: left"><span style="color: #ff0000"><em>and then, it is placed between the wooden rollers and crushed.</em> </p></span></p><p style="text-align: left"><span style="color: #ff0000"><em>What punishment is inflicted upon it! Its juice is extracted and placed in the cauldron; as it is heated, it groans and cries out.</em> </p></span></p><p style="text-align: left"><span style="color: #ff0000"><em>And then, the crushed cane is collected and burnt in the fire below.</em> </p></span></p><p style="text-align: left"><span style="color: #ff0000"><em>Nanak: come, people, and see how the sweet sugar-cane is treated!</em></p><p></span><p style="text-align: left"></p><p><strong><span style="color: #0000ff"><p style="text-align: left">Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji</p><p></span></strong><span style="color: #0000ff"><p style="text-align: left"> </p><p></span><p style="text-align: left"></p> <p style="text-align: left"></p> <p style="text-align: left"></p> <p style="text-align: left">Now does cane have feet? Does it groan?</p> <p style="text-align: left"></p> <p style="text-align: left">On one level this is an illustration and reminder that a plant like a cane is a breathing, living thing. On another level the cane is a metaphor. Read it and see what you think. Is it a metaphor for how good people are treated?</p> <p style="text-align: left"></p> <p style="text-align: left">In my mind in order to understand Bani, one must understand 1) History (eg ivasion of Babur)of the times it was written. 2) The Sociological (eg Caste system) context in which it was written and 3) The Economic (eg Zamindari System) climate in which it was written.</p> <p style="text-align: left"></p> <p style="text-align: left">The problem of literality lies not only in the fact that Bani is written in metaphor but also that many do not understand the context it was written. Although the message is Universal all of the above helps.</p> <p style="text-align: left"></p> <p style="text-align: left">In essence what I am saying is being a Sikh means learning and understanding what is or not a metaphor is part of this process.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Randip Singh, post: 74400, member: 1323"] [LEFT] What you have stated is the 64 million dollar question. What constitutes a metaphor and what is to be taken literally. A way of training ones mind into what is a metaphor in Bani are Bhai Gurdas's Vars eg:[/LEFT] [I][COLOR=#ff0000][LEFT]Just as one has to tie pail`s neck while taking out water[/LEFT][/COLOR][/I][COLOR=#ff0000][LEFT], [/LEFT] [I][LEFT]Just as to get Mani, snake is to be killed[/LEFT][/I][LEFT] [I]Just as to get Kasturi from deer`s neck, deer is to be killed[/I] [I]Just as to get oil, oil seeds are to be crushed[/I] [I]To get kernel, pomegranate is to be broken[/I] [I]Similarly to correct senseless people, sword has to be taken up.[/I] [/left][/COLOR][LEFT][/LEFT] [B][COLOR=#0000ff][LEFT]Bhai Gurdas, Var-34, pauri 13[/LEFT][/COLOR][/B][COLOR=#0000ff][LEFT] [/left][/COLOR][LEFT] Bhai Gurdas's Vars are called the key for a reason to Bani. They trains one's mind into the metaphor mindset. Guru Nanak had many conversation's with Sufi's and Saints and their method of communication was metaphor too. Eg "Tie two Birds together even they have four wings they cannot fly" (Jalaludin Rumi) . PS I am not saying Guru Nanak met Rumi.. Lets analyse a Tukh from Bani: Page 143 of the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji [/LEFT] [I][COLOR=#ff0000][LEFT]mehlaa 1.[/LEFT][/COLOR][/I][COLOR=#ff0000][LEFT] [/LEFT] [I][LEFT]vaykh je mithaa kati-aa kat kut baDhaa paa-ay.[/LEFT][/I][LEFT] [I]khundhaa andar rakh kai dayn so mal sajaa-ay.[/I] [I]ras kas tatar paa-ee-ai tapai tai villaa-ay.[/I] [I]bhee so fog samaalee-ai dichai ag jaalaa-ay.[/I] [I]naanak mithai patree-ai vaykhhu lokaa aa-ay.[/I][/LEFT][I] [/I][LEFT] [I]First Mehl:[/I] [I]Look, and see how the sugar-cane is cut down. After cutting away its branches, its feet are bound together into bundles,[/I] [I]and then, it is placed between the wooden rollers and crushed.[/I] [I]What punishment is inflicted upon it! Its juice is extracted and placed in the cauldron; as it is heated, it groans and cries out.[/I] [I]And then, the crushed cane is collected and burnt in the fire below.[/I] [I]Nanak: come, people, and see how the sweet sugar-cane is treated![/I][/LEFT][/COLOR][LEFT][/LEFT] [B][COLOR=#0000ff][LEFT]Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji[/LEFT][/COLOR][/B][COLOR=#0000ff][LEFT] [/left][/COLOR][LEFT] Now does cane have feet? Does it groan? On one level this is an illustration and reminder that a plant like a cane is a breathing, living thing. On another level the cane is a metaphor. Read it and see what you think. Is it a metaphor for how good people are treated? In my mind in order to understand Bani, one must understand 1) History (eg ivasion of Babur)of the times it was written. 2) The Sociological (eg Caste system) context in which it was written and 3) The Economic (eg Zamindari System) climate in which it was written. The problem of literality lies not only in the fact that Bani is written in metaphor but also that many do not understand the context it was written. Although the message is Universal all of the above helps. In essence what I am saying is being a Sikh means learning and understanding what is or not a metaphor is part of this process.[/LEFT] [/QUOTE]
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