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<blockquote data-quote="BhagatSingh" data-source="post: 162213" data-attributes="member: 2610"><p>Haha Ambarsaria ji,</p><p>Using definitions is good but some things cannot be conveyed so the conveyor looks for words and assembles them to convey the reality. Guru Sahib are trying to convey something when they say "Die while remaining alive".</p><p>They say when one one dies while remaining alive one:</p><p>-has the Lord enshrined in his mind</p><p>-understands God's will</p><p>-has no ego</p><p>-is liberated while still being alive</p><p>-is not reborn again</p><p>etc</p><p></p><p>Death is the cessation of life. If you think life is one way and after some experience you realize that was not life. This is also death. Death of life as you knew it. At this point you are still alive. </p><p></p><p>We are looking at death from the point of view of the individual. What happens?</p><p><strong>1. Amarjit Singh ji mentions withdrawal of senses</strong></p><p>ਪੰਚ ਪਹਰੂਆ ਦਰ ਮਹਿ ਰਹਤੇ ਤਿਨ ਕਾ ਨਹੀ ਪਤੀਆਰਾ ॥</p><p>पंच पहरूआ दर महि रहते तिन का नही पतीआरा ॥</p><p>Pancẖ pahrū▫ā ḏar mėh rahṯe ṯin kā nahī paṯī▫ārā.</p><p>The five senses stand as guards at the gate, but now can they be trusted?</p><p></p><p>ਚੇਤਿ ਸੁਚੇਤ ਚਿਤ ਹੋਇ ਰਹੁ ਤਉ ਲੈ ਪਰਗਾਸੁ ਉਜਾਰਾ ॥੨॥</p><p>चेति सुचेत चित होइ रहु तउ लै परगासु उजारा ॥२॥</p><p>Cẖeṯ sucẖeṯ cẖiṯ ho▫e rahu ṯa▫o lai pargās ujārā. ||2||</p><p>When you are conscious in your consciousness (definition of <em>smadhi</em>), you shall be enlightened and illuminated. ||2||</p><p></p><p>ਨਉ ਘਰ ਦੇਖਿ ਜੁ ਕਾਮਨਿ ਭੂਲੀ ਬਸਤੁ ਅਨੂਪ ਨ ਪਾਈ ॥</p><p>नउ घर देखि जु कामनि भूली बसतु अनूप न पाई ॥</p><p>Na▫o gẖar ḏekẖ jo kāman bẖūlī basaṯ anūp na pā▫ī.</p><p>Seeing the nine openings of the body, the soul-bride is led astray; she does not obtain that incomparable thing.</p><p></p><p>ਕਹਤੁ ਕਬੀਰ ਨਵੈ ਘਰ ਮੂਸੇ ਦਸਵੈਂ ਤਤੁ ਸਮਾਈ ॥੩॥੨੨॥੭੩॥</p><p>कहतु कबीर नवै घर मूसे दसवैं ततु समाई ॥३॥२२॥७३॥</p><p>Kahaṯ Kabīr navai gẖar mūse ḏasvaiʼn ṯaṯ samā▫ī. ||3||22||73||</p><p>Says Kabeer, the nine openings of the body are being plundered; rise up to the Tenth Gate, and discover the true essence. ||3||22||73||</p><p></p><p>page 339</p><p></p><p><strong>2. Nothing belongs to the individual anymore</strong></p><p>ਜਿਸ ਨੋ ਤੂੰ ਅਸਥਿਰੁ ਕਰਿ ਮਾਨਹਿ ਤੇ ਪਾਹੁਨ ਦੋ ਦਾਹਾ ॥</p><p>जिस नो तूं असथिरु करि मानहि ते पाहुन दो दाहा ॥</p><p>Jis no ṯūʼn asthir kar mānėh ṯe pāhun ḏo ḏāhā.</p><p>That which you believe to be permanent, is a guest here for only a few days.</p><p></p><p>ਪੁਤ੍ਰ ਕਲਤ੍ਰ ਗ੍ਰਿਹ ਸਗਲ ਸਮਗ੍ਰੀ ਸਭ ਮਿਥਿਆ ਅਸਨਾਹਾ ॥੧॥</p><p>पुत्र कलत्र ग्रिह सगल समग्री सभ मिथिआ असनाहा ॥१॥</p><p>Puṯar kalṯar garih sagal samagrī sabẖ mithi▫ā asnāhā. ||1||</p><p>Children, wives, homes, and all possessions - attachment to all of these is false. ||1||</p><p></p><p>ਰੇ ਮਨ ਕਿਆ ਕਰਹਿ ਹੈ ਹਾ ਹਾ ॥</p><p>रे मन किआ करहि है हा हा ॥</p><p>Re man ki▫ā karahi hai hā hā.</p><p>O mind, why do you burst out laughing?</p><p></p><p>ਦ੍ਰਿਸਟਿ ਦੇਖੁ ਜੈਸੇ ਹਰਿਚੰਦਉਰੀ ਇਕੁ ਰਾਮ ਭਜਨੁ ਲੈ ਲਾਹਾ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥</p><p>द्रिसटि देखु जैसे हरिचंदउरी इकु राम भजनु लै लाहा ॥१॥ रहाउ ॥</p><p>Ḏarisat ḏekẖ jaise haricẖanḏ▫urī ik rām bẖajan lai lāhā. ||1|| rahā▫o.</p><p>See with your eyes, that these things are only mirages. So earn the profit of meditation on the One Lord. ||1||Pause||</p><p>page 402</p><p></p><p><strong>3. The individual has no friends, no strangers, no enemies.</strong></p><p>ਬੈਰੀ ਮੀਤ ਹੋਏ ਸੰਮਾਨ ॥</p><p>बैरी मीत होए समान ॥</p><p>Bairī mīṯ ho▫e sammān.</p><p>Enemy and friend are all the same to me.</p><p></p><p>ਸਰਬ ਮਹਿ ਪੂਰਨ ਭਗਵਾਨ ॥</p><p>सरब महि पूरन भगवान ॥</p><p>Sarab mėh pūran bẖagvān.</p><p>The Perfect Lord God is permeating all.</p><p></p><p>ਪ੍ਰਭ ਕੀ ਆਗਿਆ ਮਾਨਿ ਸੁਖੁ ਪਾਇਆ ॥</p><p>प्रभ की आगिआ मानि सुखु पाइआ ॥</p><p>Parabẖ kī āgi▫ā mān sukẖ pā▫i▫ā.</p><p>Accepting the Will of God, I have found peace.</p><p></p><p>ਗੁਰਿ ਪੂਰੈ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਦ੍ਰਿੜਾਇਆ ॥੩॥</p><p>गुरि पूरै हरि नामु द्रिड़ाइआ ॥३॥</p><p>Gur pūrai har nām driṛ▫ā▫i▫ā. ||3||</p><p>The Perfect Guru has implanted the Name of the Lord within me. ||3||</p><p>page 1147</p><p></p><p><strong>ETC</strong></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BhagatSingh, post: 162213, member: 2610"] Haha Ambarsaria ji, Using definitions is good but some things cannot be conveyed so the conveyor looks for words and assembles them to convey the reality. Guru Sahib are trying to convey something when they say "Die while remaining alive". They say when one one dies while remaining alive one: -has the Lord enshrined in his mind -understands God's will -has no ego -is liberated while still being alive -is not reborn again etc Death is the cessation of life. If you think life is one way and after some experience you realize that was not life. This is also death. Death of life as you knew it. At this point you are still alive. We are looking at death from the point of view of the individual. What happens? [B]1. Amarjit Singh ji mentions withdrawal of senses[/B] ਪੰਚ ਪਹਰੂਆ ਦਰ ਮਹਿ ਰਹਤੇ ਤਿਨ ਕਾ ਨਹੀ ਪਤੀਆਰਾ ॥ पंच पहरूआ दर महि रहते तिन का नही पतीआरा ॥ Pancẖ pahrū▫ā ḏar mėh rahṯe ṯin kā nahī paṯī▫ārā. The five senses stand as guards at the gate, but now can they be trusted? ਚੇਤਿ ਸੁਚੇਤ ਚਿਤ ਹੋਇ ਰਹੁ ਤਉ ਲੈ ਪਰਗਾਸੁ ਉਜਾਰਾ ॥੨॥ चेति सुचेत चित होइ रहु तउ लै परगासु उजारा ॥२॥ Cẖeṯ sucẖeṯ cẖiṯ ho▫e rahu ṯa▫o lai pargās ujārā. ||2|| When you are conscious in your consciousness (definition of [I]smadhi[/I]), you shall be enlightened and illuminated. ||2|| ਨਉ ਘਰ ਦੇਖਿ ਜੁ ਕਾਮਨਿ ਭੂਲੀ ਬਸਤੁ ਅਨੂਪ ਨ ਪਾਈ ॥ नउ घर देखि जु कामनि भूली बसतु अनूप न पाई ॥ Na▫o gẖar ḏekẖ jo kāman bẖūlī basaṯ anūp na pā▫ī. Seeing the nine openings of the body, the soul-bride is led astray; she does not obtain that incomparable thing. ਕਹਤੁ ਕਬੀਰ ਨਵੈ ਘਰ ਮੂਸੇ ਦਸਵੈਂ ਤਤੁ ਸਮਾਈ ॥੩॥੨੨॥੭੩॥ कहतु कबीर नवै घर मूसे दसवैं ततु समाई ॥३॥२२॥७३॥ Kahaṯ Kabīr navai gẖar mūse ḏasvaiʼn ṯaṯ samā▫ī. ||3||22||73|| Says Kabeer, the nine openings of the body are being plundered; rise up to the Tenth Gate, and discover the true essence. ||3||22||73|| page 339 [B]2. Nothing belongs to the individual anymore[/B] ਜਿਸ ਨੋ ਤੂੰ ਅਸਥਿਰੁ ਕਰਿ ਮਾਨਹਿ ਤੇ ਪਾਹੁਨ ਦੋ ਦਾਹਾ ॥ जिस नो तूं असथिरु करि मानहि ते पाहुन दो दाहा ॥ Jis no ṯūʼn asthir kar mānėh ṯe pāhun ḏo ḏāhā. That which you believe to be permanent, is a guest here for only a few days. ਪੁਤ੍ਰ ਕਲਤ੍ਰ ਗ੍ਰਿਹ ਸਗਲ ਸਮਗ੍ਰੀ ਸਭ ਮਿਥਿਆ ਅਸਨਾਹਾ ॥੧॥ पुत्र कलत्र ग्रिह सगल समग्री सभ मिथिआ असनाहा ॥१॥ Puṯar kalṯar garih sagal samagrī sabẖ mithi▫ā asnāhā. ||1|| Children, wives, homes, and all possessions - attachment to all of these is false. ||1|| ਰੇ ਮਨ ਕਿਆ ਕਰਹਿ ਹੈ ਹਾ ਹਾ ॥ रे मन किआ करहि है हा हा ॥ Re man ki▫ā karahi hai hā hā. O mind, why do you burst out laughing? ਦ੍ਰਿਸਟਿ ਦੇਖੁ ਜੈਸੇ ਹਰਿਚੰਦਉਰੀ ਇਕੁ ਰਾਮ ਭਜਨੁ ਲੈ ਲਾਹਾ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ द्रिसटि देखु जैसे हरिचंदउरी इकु राम भजनु लै लाहा ॥१॥ रहाउ ॥ Ḏarisat ḏekẖ jaise haricẖanḏ▫urī ik rām bẖajan lai lāhā. ||1|| rahā▫o. See with your eyes, that these things are only mirages. So earn the profit of meditation on the One Lord. ||1||Pause|| page 402 [B]3. The individual has no friends, no strangers, no enemies.[/B] ਬੈਰੀ ਮੀਤ ਹੋਏ ਸੰਮਾਨ ॥ बैरी मीत होए समान ॥ Bairī mīṯ ho▫e sammān. Enemy and friend are all the same to me. ਸਰਬ ਮਹਿ ਪੂਰਨ ਭਗਵਾਨ ॥ सरब महि पूरन भगवान ॥ Sarab mėh pūran bẖagvān. The Perfect Lord God is permeating all. ਪ੍ਰਭ ਕੀ ਆਗਿਆ ਮਾਨਿ ਸੁਖੁ ਪਾਇਆ ॥ प्रभ की आगिआ मानि सुखु पाइआ ॥ Parabẖ kī āgi▫ā mān sukẖ pā▫i▫ā. Accepting the Will of God, I have found peace. ਗੁਰਿ ਪੂਰੈ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਦ੍ਰਿੜਾਇਆ ॥੩॥ गुरि पूरै हरि नामु द्रिड़ाइआ ॥३॥ Gur pūrai har nām driṛ▫ā▫i▫ā. ||3|| The Perfect Guru has implanted the Name of the Lord within me. ||3|| page 1147 [B]ETC[/B] [/QUOTE]
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