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<blockquote data-quote="spnadmin" data-source="post: 102735" data-attributes="member: 35"><p>greenjuice ji</p><p></p><p>Pretty soon the discussion needs to be handed over to experts, soon I will be out of my depth.</p><p></p><p><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen">in the first clip the song is sung in modern serbian, in the second in greek, in the third in church-slavonic, and in all three clips people who sing are members of the Serbian Orthodox Church.</span></p><p></p><p>Thank you for the informaton.</p><p><span style="color: DarkGreen"></span></p><p><span style="color: DarkGreen">nice melody in malkuns.. i saw in Mccaulife's book "Sikh Religion" rags writen in western notes, and those lines seemed short; this, what they played on the two clips, is that the whole rag?</span></p><p></p><p>The clips were only examples of the raag Malkauns. Played by a Hindu and a Sikh ragi. Malkauns is a raag that seems to be one of the favorites of those who are deeply steeped in knowledge of kirtan. Malkauns is not mentionned in SGGS. But here is a link that tells you where to find the raags that are in the Granth.</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Raag" target="_blank">Raga - SikhiWiki, free Sikh encyclopedia.</a></p><p><span style="color: DarkGreen"></span></p><p><span style="color: DarkGreen">yes, i've heard this kind of reading, i downloaded Japji, it sounded like this; it also sounds much like when Bible is being read in the Orthodox church.</span></p><p><span style="color: DarkGreen"></span></p><p><span style="color: DarkGreen">thanks for the links, great stuff <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></span></p><p></p><p>you are welcome. </p><p></p><p><span style="color: DarkGreen">i would like to know about two more things..</span></p><p><span style="color: DarkGreen"></span></p><p><span style="color: DarkGreen">first, why do a lot of Sikhs don't use traditional instrument, but foreing ones, like austrian harmonium.. and i've noticed that some Sikhs oppose using guitars and other similar modern instruments, yet they don't see anything wrong in using the harmonium...</span> </p><p></p><p><span style="color: Black">The harmonium began to become popular throughout northern India with Muslim, Sikh and Hindu musicians when Christian missionaries began to enter during the 19th Century. Here is a clip of Nuzrah Ali Khan with harmonium accompaniment <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5D0y0zeknso&feature=related" target="_blank">YouTube - Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan - Voice From Heaven Part 2</a></span></p><p><span style="color: Black"></span></p><p><span style="color: Black">The prohibition against singing Gurbani kirtan to popular tunes in gurdwara services came with the Rehat Maryada of around 1925 which codified gurdwara services. However in 3HO services guitar is used. The trend away from the classical instruments has a more interesting story, but the resurgence of their use is even more remarkable. </span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: DarkGreen">and about the gurmantar; i know that when you repeat the gurmantar in your mind, it is called nam simran. i saw some great clips of people doing kirtan of gurmantar, there was one with three Sings singing Vaheguru in a large full gurdwara, which i liked the most, but cannot find it.. anyway, how do call doing kirtan of the gurmantar? nam jap? is doing that often? or is shabad kirtan more important and frequent?</span></p><p></p><p>I have never heard the gurmantar sung in Gurdwara. Only chanted. I know there are many many videos and audio downloads of this and the musical version of gurmantar is not exactly kirtan, but then again it is kirtan, and it is very often performed at smagams (kirtan festivals) often by very famous musicians. </p><p></p><p>One last thought to leave you with. In Sri Guru Granth Sahib Maharaj, kirtan is foremost the means to contact the divine naad, or Shabad Guru, the vibration of the Divine. It is a form of meditation, that need not involve actual music or instruments at all. It occurs in consciousness as a form of simran or meditation upon the Divine Name. There is a danger in elevating the performance of kirtan to substitute for the meditation of Shabad Guru. That is why "jap" and musical forms of kirtan are both kirtan in terms of meditation.</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.gurbani.org/articles/webart319.html" target="_blank">Kirtan Part 2: The Gurbani's Caution</a></p><p></p><p><strong>From the article,</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><span style="color: Blue"><em>ਬਿਲਾਵਲੁ ਤਬ ਹੀ ਕੀਜੀਐ ਜਬ ਮੁਖਿ ਹੋਵੈ ਨਾਮੁ ॥ ਰਾਗ ਨਾਦ ਸਬਦਿ ਸੋਹਣੇ ਜਾ ਲਾਗੈ ਸਹਜਿ ਧਿਆਨੁ ॥ ਰਾਗ ਨਾਦ ਛੋਡਿ ਹਰਿ ਸੇਵੀਐ ਤਾ ਦਰਗਹ ਪਾਈਐ ਮਾਨੁ ॥ ਨਾਨਕ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ ਬੀਚਾਰੀਐ ਚੂਕੈ ਮਨਿ ਅਭਿਮਾਨੁ ॥੨॥: Bilaaval tab hee keejeeyai jab mukh hovai Raam. Raag naad Shabad sohne jaa laagai sahaj dhyan ....: When the Naam is in your mouth, then sing the Bilaaval (Bilaaval is the name of the Raga. The word "Bilaabal" also means perfect Joy or bliss. accordingly, this verse can also be interpretd as: the perfect bliss can be experienced only if the Lord's Name is in the mouth). The melody and music, and the Shabad are beautiful, only when one naturally focuses his meditation on the celestial Lord. Leave behind the melody and music, instead, serve the Lord (by meditating on His Name); then, you will obtain honor in the Court of the Lord. O Nanak, by becoming the Gurmukh (spiritual being, etc.), contemplate God, and rid your mind of egotistical pride ||2|| (sggs 849).</em></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="spnadmin, post: 102735, member: 35"] greenjuice ji Pretty soon the discussion needs to be handed over to experts, soon I will be out of my depth. [COLOR=DarkOliveGreen]in the first clip the song is sung in modern serbian, in the second in greek, in the third in church-slavonic, and in all three clips people who sing are members of the Serbian Orthodox Church.[/COLOR] Thank you for the informaton. [COLOR=DarkGreen] nice melody in malkuns.. i saw in Mccaulife's book "Sikh Religion" rags writen in western notes, and those lines seemed short; this, what they played on the two clips, is that the whole rag?[/COLOR] The clips were only examples of the raag Malkauns. Played by a Hindu and a Sikh ragi. Malkauns is a raag that seems to be one of the favorites of those who are deeply steeped in knowledge of kirtan. Malkauns is not mentionned in SGGS. But here is a link that tells you where to find the raags that are in the Granth. [URL="http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Raag"]Raga - SikhiWiki, free Sikh encyclopedia.[/URL] [COLOR=DarkGreen] yes, i've heard this kind of reading, i downloaded Japji, it sounded like this; it also sounds much like when Bible is being read in the Orthodox church.[/COLOR] [COLOR=DarkGreen] thanks for the links, great stuff :)[/COLOR] you are welcome. [COLOR=DarkGreen]i would like to know about two more things.. first, why do a lot of Sikhs don't use traditional instrument, but foreing ones, like austrian harmonium.. and i've noticed that some Sikhs oppose using guitars and other similar modern instruments, yet they don't see anything wrong in using the harmonium...[/COLOR] [COLOR=Black]The harmonium began to become popular throughout northern India with Muslim, Sikh and Hindu musicians when Christian missionaries began to enter during the 19th Century. Here is a clip of Nuzrah Ali Khan with harmonium accompaniment [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5D0y0zeknso&feature=related"]YouTube - Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan - Voice From Heaven Part 2[/url] [/COLOR] [COLOR=Black]The prohibition against singing Gurbani kirtan to popular tunes in gurdwara services came with the Rehat Maryada of around 1925 which codified gurdwara services. However in 3HO services guitar is used. The trend away from the classical instruments has a more interesting story, but the resurgence of their use is even more remarkable. [/COLOR] [COLOR=DarkGreen]and about the gurmantar; i know that when you repeat the gurmantar in your mind, it is called nam simran. i saw some great clips of people doing kirtan of gurmantar, there was one with three Sings singing Vaheguru in a large full gurdwara, which i liked the most, but cannot find it.. anyway, how do call doing kirtan of the gurmantar? nam jap? is doing that often? or is shabad kirtan more important and frequent?[/COLOR] I have never heard the gurmantar sung in Gurdwara. Only chanted. I know there are many many videos and audio downloads of this and the musical version of gurmantar is not exactly kirtan, but then again it is kirtan, and it is very often performed at smagams (kirtan festivals) often by very famous musicians. One last thought to leave you with. In Sri Guru Granth Sahib Maharaj, kirtan is foremost the means to contact the divine naad, or Shabad Guru, the vibration of the Divine. It is a form of meditation, that need not involve actual music or instruments at all. It occurs in consciousness as a form of simran or meditation upon the Divine Name. There is a danger in elevating the performance of kirtan to substitute for the meditation of Shabad Guru. That is why "jap" and musical forms of kirtan are both kirtan in terms of meditation. [URL="http://www.gurbani.org/articles/webart319.html"]Kirtan Part 2: The Gurbani's Caution[/URL] [B]From the article, [/B] [COLOR=Blue][I]ਬਿਲਾਵਲੁ ਤਬ ਹੀ ਕੀਜੀਐ ਜਬ ਮੁਖਿ ਹੋਵੈ ਨਾਮੁ ॥ ਰਾਗ ਨਾਦ ਸਬਦਿ ਸੋਹਣੇ ਜਾ ਲਾਗੈ ਸਹਜਿ ਧਿਆਨੁ ॥ ਰਾਗ ਨਾਦ ਛੋਡਿ ਹਰਿ ਸੇਵੀਐ ਤਾ ਦਰਗਹ ਪਾਈਐ ਮਾਨੁ ॥ ਨਾਨਕ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ ਬੀਚਾਰੀਐ ਚੂਕੈ ਮਨਿ ਅਭਿਮਾਨੁ ॥੨॥: Bilaaval tab hee keejeeyai jab mukh hovai Raam. Raag naad Shabad sohne jaa laagai sahaj dhyan ....: When the Naam is in your mouth, then sing the Bilaaval (Bilaaval is the name of the Raga. The word "Bilaabal" also means perfect Joy or bliss. accordingly, this verse can also be interpretd as: the perfect bliss can be experienced only if the Lord's Name is in the mouth). The melody and music, and the Shabad are beautiful, only when one naturally focuses his meditation on the celestial Lord. Leave behind the melody and music, instead, serve the Lord (by meditating on His Name); then, you will obtain honor in the Court of the Lord. O Nanak, by becoming the Gurmukh (spiritual being, etc.), contemplate God, and rid your mind of egotistical pride ||2|| (sggs 849).[/I][/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
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