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<blockquote data-quote="Sikh80" data-source="post: 83076" data-attributes="member: 5290"><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'">I am indeed grateful for your opinion and the interpretation of the things. There are two questions that we are pondering over side by side:</span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><em>1.</em>Is there any free will as per Sikhism. ? <em>and</em></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"> 2.Kramas and How these are rewarded and how these are settled.</span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"> It has been opined that there is no free will available with the individual as almost everything is pre-destined. Respected aad ji has, in her first post, clearly stated that His Hukum and will prevails and we are just helpless creatures. The helplessness of the Mortals has also been stated by Guru sahibs at many places in various formats and in different contexts but the finger is pointed always toward the predestined and His Grace.</span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"> At some point or the other one is required to take an overall view of these two essentially important concepts. I am not worthy of answering your posts but we learn in this manner and get the guidance of the elders and hence an attempt is made to present my view-point.</span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"> Do we really have free will with us to do that we want to do? We have been blessed with intellect/budhi/mat etc. The following line is again quoted from the post of aad ji. It is very clearly admitted that the mortal’s intellect is also His gift thus the limitations are put on as to how to employ/deploy this. [I am not stating the usage of the mat in day to day affairs as has been stated by my learned friend aad ji. wherein reference can be drawn that she is talking of the jobs that we have to do in the state of affairs of Maya, the illusion. The perspective is lost as the discussion is purely to understand the freedom at the spiritual level for the attainment of the sat ]</span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"></span></strong> </p><p> <span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A9%88%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%80" target="_blank">ਜੈਸੀ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank">ਮਤਿ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A6%E0%A9%87%E0%A8%B5%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%81" target="_blank">ਦੇਵਹੁ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank">ਹਰਿ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%86%E0%A8%AE%E0%A9%80" target="_blank">ਸੁਆਮੀ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%AE" target="_blank">ਹਮ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A4%E0%A9%88%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%87" target="_blank">ਤੈਸੇ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AC%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%B2%E0%A8%97" target="_blank">ਬੁਲਗ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AC%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%B2%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%97%E0%A9%80" target="_blank">ਬੁਲਾਗੀ </a></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><span style="color: navy">As is the understanding You bless us with, so are the words we speak.</span></span></p><p> <span style="color: DarkRed"></span></p><p><span style="color: DarkRed"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'">Let us examine some of the issues in the wider context</span></strong></span> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><u><strong>A.Meeting with the guru</strong></u></span></p><p> </p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Gurbaniwebthick'">AYsy kwhy BUil pry ] (823-11, iblwvlu, mÚ 5)</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"> Why do you wander in delusion like this?</span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Gurbaniwebthick'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Gurbaniwebthick'">krih krwvih mUkir pwvih pyKq sunq sdw sMig hry ]1] rhwau ] <span style="color: green"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'">(823-11, iblwvlu, mÚ 5)</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"> You act, and incite others to act, and then deny it. The Lord is always with you; He sees and hears everything. ||1||Pause||</span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Gurbaniwebthick'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Gurbaniwebthick'">kwc ibhwJn kMcn Cwfn bYrI sMig hyqu swjn iqAwig Kry ] <span style="color: green"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'">(823-11, iblwvlu, mÚ 5)</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"> You purchase glass, and discard gold; you are in love with your enemy, while you renounce your true friend.</span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Gurbaniwebthick'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Gurbaniwebthick'">hovnu kaurw Anhovnu mITw ibiKAw mih lptwie jry ]1] <span style="color: green"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'">(823-12, iblwvlu, mÚ 5)</span></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"> That which exists, seems bitter; that which does not exist, seems sweet to you. Engrossed in corruption, you are burning away. ||1||</span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Gurbaniwebthick'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Gurbaniwebthick'">AMD kUp mih pirE prwnI Brm gubwr moh bMiD pry ] <span style="color: green"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'">(823-13, iblwvlu, mÚ 5)</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"> The mortal has fallen into the deep, dark pit, and is entangled in the darkness of doubt, and the bondage of emotional attachment.</span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Gurbaniwebthick'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Gurbaniwebthick'">khu nwnk pRB hoq dieAwrw guru BytY kwFY bwh Pry ]2]10]96] <span style="color: green"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'">(823-13, iblwvlu, mÚ 5)</span></span></span></p><p> <span style="color: Blue"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'">Says Nanak, when God becomes merciful, one meets with the Guru, who takes him by the arm, and lifts him out. </span><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'">||2||10||96||</span></strong></span></p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"> The last line clearly refers to HIS grace. We meet HIM when He casts HIS glance of Grace. Getting HIS blessed vision and understanding HIM is obtained when He so decides and we are just helpless creatures and we pray:</span></strong></p><p> </p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Gurbaniwebthick'">piqq pwvn pRB ibrdu qum@wro hmry doK irdY mq Dwrhu ] <span style="color: green"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'">(829-2, iblwvlu, mÚ 5)</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"> It is Your Natural Way, God, to purify sinners; please do not keep my errors in Your Heart.</span></p><p> </p><p> <strong><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"> Because we know that</span></strong>:</p><p> </p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Gurbaniwebthick'">ikAw hm jIA jMq bycwry brin n swkh eyk romweI ] <span style="color: green"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'">(822-11, iblwvlu, mÚ 5)</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"> What am I? Just a poor living being. I cannot even describe one of Your hairs, O Lord.</span></p><p> </p><p> <strong><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'">And we also at the same time cry out in pain.</span></strong></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Gurbaniwebthick'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Gurbaniwebthick'"></span> <span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><span style="font-family: 'Gurbaniwebthick'">mY nwhI pRB sBu ikCu qyrw ] </span><span style="font-family: 'Gurbaniwebthick'"><span style="color: green">(827-16, iblwvlu, mÚ 5)</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"> I am nothing, God; everything is Yours.</span></p><p> </p><p> <p style="text-align: center"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><span style="color: black">Guru Sahibs have recognized the helplessness of the mortals and have stated the same at many other places. It has been stated that everything is happening as per pre ordained destiny of the individual soul on the basis of the karmas. The pleasure and pains are also the outcome of the same as the following would suggest.</span></span></strong></p><p> </p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Gurbaniwebthick'">kuMt cwir dh idis BRmy krm ikriq kI ryK ] <span style="color: green"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'">(253-12, gauVI, mÚ 5)</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"> He wanders around in the four quarters and in the ten directions, according to the dictates of his karma.</span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Gurbaniwebthick'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Gurbaniwebthick'">sUK dUK mukiq join nwnk iliKE lyK ]1] <span style="color: green"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'">(253-12, gauVI, mÚ 5)</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"> Pleasure and pain, liberation and reincarnation, O Nanak, come according to one's pre-ordained destiny. ||1||</span></p><p> </p><p> <strong><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'">Hence the mortal is in delusion and Guru sahibaan have stated the prayers that the poor creatures make to the Almighty. It is after realizing that he has none that such prayers come out from the heart of the devotees. After bitterly stung by the Maya the mortal prays thus:</span></strong></p><p> </p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Gurbaniwebthick'">mY nwhI pRB sBu ikCu qyrw ] <span style="color: green"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'">(827-16, iblwvlu, mÚ 5)</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"> I am nothing, God; everything is Yours.</span></p><p> </p><p> </p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Gurbaniwebthick'">jo qum@ krhu soeI Bl mwnau mn qy CUtY sgl gumwnu ] <span style="color: green"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'">(824-5, iblwvlu, mÚ 5)</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"> Whatever You do, I accept as good. I have eradicated all egotistical pride from my mind. </span></p><p> </p><p> <strong><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'">The prayer continues:</span></strong></p><p> </p><p> </p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Gurbaniwebthick'">ijau BwvY iqau moih pRiqpwl ] <span style="color: green"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'">(828-12, iblwvlu, mÚ 5)</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"> If it pleases You, then cherish me.</span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Gurbaniwebthick'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Gurbaniwebthick'">pwrbRhm prmysr siqgur hm bwirk qum@ ipqw ikrpwl ]1] rhwau ] <span style="color: green"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'">(828-12, iblwvlu, mÚ 5)</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"> O Supreme Lord God, Transcendent Lord, O True Guru, I am Your child, and You are my Merciful Father. ||1||Pause||</span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Gurbaniwebthick'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Gurbaniwebthick'">moih inrgux guxu nwhI koeI phuic n swkau qum@rI Gwl ] <span style="color: green"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'">(828-13, iblwvlu, mÚ 5)</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"> I am worthless; I have no virtues at all. I cannot understand Your actions.</span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Gurbaniwebthick'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Gurbaniwebthick'">qumrI giq imiq qum hI jwnhu jIau ipMfu sBu qumro mwl ]1] <span style="color: green"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'">(828-14, iblwvlu, mÚ 5)</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"> You alone know Your state and extent. My soul, body and property are all Yours. ||1||</span></p><p> </p><p> <strong><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'">This is the state when one surrenders to the Lord that we come to understand that it is HIS will and HIS grace that are consequential only. Our karmas are governed by the divine law and He is the architect of our karmas.If He is the architect of our Karmas where is the scope of the freedom of the individual soul/jiva.; it is only an imagination and it exists in imagination only. Our past karmas make our destiny and the present action that we do are molded by the Almighty the causes of all causes. It is when self-conceit is eradicated that we realize this that we are just the tools in his hands who is a sculptor and is engaged in shaping this nature as per HIS wider game plans and we do not have an iota of the knowledge of HIS acts as we cannot know.</span></strong></p><p> </p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Gurbaniwebthick'">nwnk jMq vjwey vwjih ijqu BwvY iqqu rwih cleIAw ]8]2]5] </span><span style="color: green"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'"><span style="font-family: 'Gurbaniwebthick'">(834-11, iblwvlu, mÚ</span> 4)</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"> O Nanak, we are the instruments upon which He plays; as He wills, so is the path we take. ||8||2||5||</span></p><p> </p><p style="text-align: center"> <strong><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'">In such a situation how can then one state that one has free will. One can only that much that is permitted as per the karmas as the karmas cannot be erased in normal course. This is His creation and we do that we are supposed to do.</span></strong></p> <p style="text-align: center"></p><p> </p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Gurbaniwebthick'">iehu jgu vrnu rUpu sBu qyrw ijqu lwvih sy krm kmeIAw ] <span style="color: green"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'">(834-11, iblwvlu, mÚ 4)</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"> This world, with its colors and forms, is all Yours, O Lord; as You attach us, so do we do our deeds.</span></p><p> </p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><strong>The above concept of helplessness of the mortal is stated as follows:</strong></span></p><p> </p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Gurbaniwebthick'">hm cyrI qU Agm gusweI ikAw hm krh qyrY vis peIAw ] <span style="color: green"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'">(836-11, iblwvlu, mÚ 4)</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"> I am Your hand-maiden, O Inaccessible Lord of the Universe; what can I do by myself? I am under Your power</span>.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> <strong><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'">Oh My Master forgive me. I am not even to be reckoned above dust as such are my deeds. Kindly forgive us. We are all but your creation.</span></strong> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Gurbaniwebthick'">ikrpw krhu dIn ky dwqy myrw guxu Avgxu n bIcwrhu koeI ] <span style="color: green"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'">(882-16, rwmklI, mÚ 5)</span></span></span></p><p> H<span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'">ave mercy on me, O Generous Giver, Lord of the meek; please do not consider my merits and demerits.</span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Gurbaniwebthick'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Gurbaniwebthick'">mwtI kw ikAw DopY suAwmI mwxs kI giq eyhI ]1] <span style="color: green"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'">(882-16, rwmklI, mÚ 5)</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"> How can dust be washed? O my Lord and Master, such is the state of mankind. ||1|</span>|</p><p> </p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><strong>And further :</strong></span></p><p> </p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Gurbaniwebthick'">jYsw rMgu dyih so hovY ikAw nwnk jMq ivcwry ]8]3] <span style="color: green"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'">(982-4, nt, mÚ 4)</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"> Only that color which You impart, Lord, exists; O Nanak, what can the poor wretched being do? ||8||3||</span></p><p> </p><p> </p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><strong>We are just poor and wretched creatures only and there is nothing that we claim to state that we can do it. </strong></span></p><p> </p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Gurbaniwebthick'">ikAw vycwrw jMqu jw Awip BulwieAw ]8] <span style="color: green"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'">(707-16, jYqsrI, mÚ 5)</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"> What can the poor helpless creature do? The Lord Himself has deluded him. ||8||</span></p><p> </p><p> </p><p style="text-align: center"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"> Till we have the mercy we have everything that we call as everything but in essence we have nothing else we are earthly worms.</span></strong></p> <p style="text-align: center"></p><p> </p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Gurbaniwebthick'"> nwnk jo iqsu BwvY so QIAY ienw jMqw vis ikCu nwih ]8]4] </span><span style="font-family: 'Gurbaniwebthick'"><span style="color: green">(55-18, <span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'">isrIrwgu, mÚ 1)</span></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"> O Nanak, whatever pleases His Will comes to pass. Nothing is in the hands of these beings. ||8||4||</span></p><p> </p><p style="text-align: center"><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><strong> How can we state that we have anything to do. Do we have some power.?If yes, it is HIS grace only and nothing else. </strong></span></p> <p style="text-align: center"></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Gurbaniwebthick'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Gurbaniwebthick'">ien@ kY ikCu hwiQ nhI khw krih ieih bpuVy ien@ kw vwihAw kCu n vsweI ] </span><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><span style="color: green">(859-8, goNf, mÚ 4)</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"> Nothing is in their hands; what can these poor creatures do? By their actions, nothing can be done</span>.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"> Guru gives this understanding:</span></strong></p><p> </p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Gurbaniwebthick'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Gurbaniwebthick'"> ikCu iksI kY hiQ nwhI myry suAwmI AYsI myrY siqguir bUJ buJweI ] </span><span style="font-family: 'Gurbaniwebthick'"><span style="color: green">(860-1, goNf, mÚ 4)</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"> Nothing is in the hands of anyone, O my Lord and Master; such is the understanding the True Guru has given me to understand</span>.</p><p> <strong><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"> I dedicate the following lines to aad ji:</span></strong></p><p> </p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Gurbaniwebthick'"> ErY kCU n iknhU kIAw ] </span><span style="font-family: 'Gurbaniwebthick'"><span style="color: green">(261-1, gauVI, mÚ 5)</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"> In this world, no one accomplishes anything by himself.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Gurbaniwebthick'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Gurbaniwebthick'">nwnk sBu kCu pRB qy hUAw ]51] </span><span style="font-family: 'Gurbaniwebthick'"><span style="color: green">(261-1, gauVI, mÚ 5)</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"> O Nanak, everything is done by God. ||51</span></p><p> </p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"> I shall be able to touch upon the second aspect i.e. Karmas etc as stated by Gyani Jarnail ji.</span></strong></p><p> </p><p> <strong><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'">In nut shell whether there is 'free will' or not is left to the study of the reader/members. He never intended it. Yes, He has given intellect that we can carry out with our the daily lives .Our intellect, that we call as ours, is also under the control of the Almighty. How can our actions be out of it.It just cannot be. Freedom to 'will' is freewill and that cannot be the prerogative of the mortals. Strange are His ways.!!</span></strong></p><p> <strong></strong></p><p><strong>[/FONT]</strong> <span style="font-family: 'Gurbaniwebthick'">hwiQ hmwrY kCUAY nwhI ijsu jxwieih iqsY jxwvxw ]9] <span style="color: green"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'">(1086-8, mwrU, mÚ 5)</span></span></span></p><p> <strong><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'">Nothing is in my hands; he alone knows, whom You inspire to know. ||9||</span></strong></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Gurbaniwebthick'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Gurbaniwebthick'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Gurbaniwebthick'"> jw kY msqik Duir iliK pwieAw ] <span style="color: green"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'">(1086-9, mwrU, mÚ 5)</span></span></span></p><p> <strong><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'">One who has such pre-ordained destiny inscribed upon his forehead,</span></strong></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Gurbaniwebthick'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Gurbaniwebthick'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Gurbaniwebthick'"> iqs hI purK n ivAwpY mwieAw ] <span style="color: green"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'">(1086-9, mwrU, mÚ 5)</span></span></span></p><p> <strong><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'">that person is not afflicted by Maya.</span>[/FONT]</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>Regards to all.!!</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>[/FONT]</strong></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Sikh80, post: 83076, member: 5290"] [B][FONT=Book Antiqua]I am indeed grateful for your opinion and the interpretation of the things. There are two questions that we are pondering over side by side: [I]1.[/I]Is there any free will as per Sikhism. ? [I]and[/I] 2.Kramas and How these are rewarded and how these are settled. It has been opined that there is no free will available with the individual as almost everything is pre-destined. Respected aad ji has, in her first post, clearly stated that His Hukum and will prevails and we are just helpless creatures. The helplessness of the Mortals has also been stated by Guru sahibs at many places in various formats and in different contexts but the finger is pointed always toward the predestined and His Grace. At some point or the other one is required to take an overall view of these two essentially important concepts. I am not worthy of answering your posts but we learn in this manner and get the guidance of the elders and hence an attempt is made to present my view-point. Do we really have free will with us to do that we want to do? We have been blessed with intellect/budhi/mat etc. The following line is again quoted from the post of aad ji. It is very clearly admitted that the mortal’s intellect is also His gift thus the limitations are put on as to how to employ/deploy this. [I am not stating the usage of the mat in day to day affairs as has been stated by my learned friend aad ji. wherein reference can be drawn that she is talking of the jobs that we have to do in the state of affairs of Maya, the illusion. The perspective is lost as the discussion is purely to understand the freedom at the spiritual level for the attainment of the sat ] [/FONT][/B] [COLOR=maroon][FONT=AnmolUniPr][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A9%88%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%80"]ਜੈਸੀ [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%BF"]ਮਤਿ [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A6%E0%A9%87%E0%A8%B5%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%81"]ਦੇਵਹੁ [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BF"]ਹਰਿ [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%86%E0%A8%AE%E0%A9%80"]ਸੁਆਮੀ [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%AE"]ਹਮ [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A4%E0%A9%88%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%87"]ਤੈਸੇ [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AC%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%B2%E0%A8%97"]ਬੁਲਗ [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AC%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%B2%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%97%E0%A9%80"]ਬੁਲਾਗੀ [/URL][/FONT][/COLOR] [FONT=Book Antiqua][COLOR=navy]As is the understanding You bless us with, so are the words we speak.[/COLOR][/FONT] [COLOR=DarkRed] [B][FONT=Book Antiqua]Let us examine some of the issues in the wider context[/FONT][/B][/COLOR] [FONT=Book Antiqua][U][B]A.Meeting with the guru[/B][/U][/FONT] [FONT=Gurbaniwebthick]AYsy kwhy BUil pry ] (823-11, iblwvlu, mÚ 5)[/FONT] [FONT=Book Antiqua] Why do you wander in delusion like this?[/FONT] [FONT=Gurbaniwebthick] krih krwvih mUkir pwvih pyKq sunq sdw sMig hry ]1] rhwau ] [COLOR=green][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy](823-11, iblwvlu, mÚ 5)[/FONT][/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=Book Antiqua] You act, and incite others to act, and then deny it. The Lord is always with you; He sees and hears everything. ||1||Pause||[/FONT] [FONT=Gurbaniwebthick] kwc ibhwJn kMcn Cwfn bYrI sMig hyqu swjn iqAwig Kry ] [COLOR=green][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy](823-11, iblwvlu, mÚ 5)[/FONT][/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=Book Antiqua] You purchase glass, and discard gold; you are in love with your enemy, while you renounce your true friend.[/FONT] [FONT=Gurbaniwebthick] hovnu kaurw Anhovnu mITw ibiKAw mih lptwie jry ]1] [COLOR=green][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy](823-12, iblwvlu, mÚ 5)[/FONT][/COLOR][/FONT][FONT=Book Antiqua] That which exists, seems bitter; that which does not exist, seems sweet to you. Engrossed in corruption, you are burning away. ||1||[/FONT] [FONT=Gurbaniwebthick] AMD kUp mih pirE prwnI Brm gubwr moh bMiD pry ] [COLOR=green][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy](823-13, iblwvlu, mÚ 5)[/FONT][/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=Book Antiqua] The mortal has fallen into the deep, dark pit, and is entangled in the darkness of doubt, and the bondage of emotional attachment.[/FONT] [FONT=Gurbaniwebthick] khu nwnk pRB hoq dieAwrw guru BytY kwFY bwh Pry ]2]10]96] [COLOR=green][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy](823-13, iblwvlu, mÚ 5)[/FONT][/COLOR][/FONT] [COLOR=Blue][B][FONT=Book Antiqua]Says Nanak, when God becomes merciful, one meets with the Guru, who takes him by the arm, and lifts him out. [/FONT][FONT=Book Antiqua]||2||10||96||[/FONT][/B][/COLOR] [B][FONT=Book Antiqua] The last line clearly refers to HIS grace. We meet HIM when He casts HIS glance of Grace. Getting HIS blessed vision and understanding HIM is obtained when He so decides and we are just helpless creatures and we pray:[/FONT][/B] [FONT=Gurbaniwebthick]piqq pwvn pRB ibrdu qum@wro hmry doK irdY mq Dwrhu ] [COLOR=green][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy](829-2, iblwvlu, mÚ 5)[/FONT][/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=Book Antiqua] It is Your Natural Way, God, to purify sinners; please do not keep my errors in Your Heart.[/FONT] [B][FONT=Book Antiqua] Because we know that[/FONT][/B]: [FONT=Gurbaniwebthick]ikAw hm jIA jMq bycwry brin n swkh eyk romweI ] [COLOR=green][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy](822-11, iblwvlu, mÚ 5)[/FONT][/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=Book Antiqua] What am I? Just a poor living being. I cannot even describe one of Your hairs, O Lord.[/FONT] [B][FONT=Book Antiqua]And we also at the same time cry out in pain.[/FONT][/B] [FONT=Gurbaniwebthick] [/FONT] [FONT=Book Antiqua][FONT=Gurbaniwebthick]mY nwhI pRB sBu ikCu qyrw ] [/FONT][FONT=Gurbaniwebthick][COLOR=green](827-16, iblwvlu, mÚ 5)[/COLOR][/FONT] I am nothing, God; everything is Yours.[/FONT] [CENTER][B][FONT=Book Antiqua][COLOR=black]Guru Sahibs have recognized the helplessness of the mortals and have stated the same at many other places. It has been stated that everything is happening as per pre ordained destiny of the individual soul on the basis of the karmas. The pleasure and pains are also the outcome of the same as the following would suggest.[/COLOR][/FONT][/B][/CENTER] [FONT=Gurbaniwebthick]kuMt cwir dh idis BRmy krm ikriq kI ryK ] [COLOR=green][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy](253-12, gauVI, mÚ 5)[/FONT][/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=Book Antiqua] He wanders around in the four quarters and in the ten directions, according to the dictates of his karma.[/FONT] [FONT=Gurbaniwebthick] sUK dUK mukiq join nwnk iliKE lyK ]1] [COLOR=green][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy](253-12, gauVI, mÚ 5)[/FONT][/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=Book Antiqua] Pleasure and pain, liberation and reincarnation, O Nanak, come according to one's pre-ordained destiny. ||1||[/FONT] [B][FONT=Book Antiqua]Hence the mortal is in delusion and Guru sahibaan have stated the prayers that the poor creatures make to the Almighty. It is after realizing that he has none that such prayers come out from the heart of the devotees. After bitterly stung by the Maya the mortal prays thus:[/FONT][/B] [FONT=Gurbaniwebthick]mY nwhI pRB sBu ikCu qyrw ] [COLOR=green][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy](827-16, iblwvlu, mÚ 5)[/FONT][/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=Book Antiqua] I am nothing, God; everything is Yours.[/FONT] [FONT=Gurbaniwebthick]jo qum@ krhu soeI Bl mwnau mn qy CUtY sgl gumwnu ] [COLOR=green][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy](824-5, iblwvlu, mÚ 5)[/FONT][/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=Book Antiqua] Whatever You do, I accept as good. I have eradicated all egotistical pride from my mind. [/FONT] [B][FONT=Book Antiqua]The prayer continues:[/FONT][/B] [FONT=Gurbaniwebthick]ijau BwvY iqau moih pRiqpwl ] [COLOR=green][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy](828-12, iblwvlu, mÚ 5)[/FONT][/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=Book Antiqua] If it pleases You, then cherish me.[/FONT] [FONT=Gurbaniwebthick] pwrbRhm prmysr siqgur hm bwirk qum@ ipqw ikrpwl ]1] rhwau ] [COLOR=green][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy](828-12, iblwvlu, mÚ 5)[/FONT][/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=Book Antiqua] O Supreme Lord God, Transcendent Lord, O True Guru, I am Your child, and You are my Merciful Father. ||1||Pause||[/FONT] [FONT=Gurbaniwebthick] moih inrgux guxu nwhI koeI phuic n swkau qum@rI Gwl ] [COLOR=green][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy](828-13, iblwvlu, mÚ 5)[/FONT][/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=Book Antiqua] I am worthless; I have no virtues at all. I cannot understand Your actions.[/FONT] [FONT=Gurbaniwebthick] qumrI giq imiq qum hI jwnhu jIau ipMfu sBu qumro mwl ]1] [COLOR=green][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy](828-14, iblwvlu, mÚ 5)[/FONT][/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=Book Antiqua] You alone know Your state and extent. My soul, body and property are all Yours. ||1||[/FONT] [B][FONT=Book Antiqua]This is the state when one surrenders to the Lord that we come to understand that it is HIS will and HIS grace that are consequential only. Our karmas are governed by the divine law and He is the architect of our karmas.If He is the architect of our Karmas where is the scope of the freedom of the individual soul/jiva.; it is only an imagination and it exists in imagination only. Our past karmas make our destiny and the present action that we do are molded by the Almighty the causes of all causes. It is when self-conceit is eradicated that we realize this that we are just the tools in his hands who is a sculptor and is engaged in shaping this nature as per HIS wider game plans and we do not have an iota of the knowledge of HIS acts as we cannot know.[/FONT][/B] [FONT=Gurbaniwebthick]nwnk jMq vjwey vwjih ijqu BwvY iqqu rwih cleIAw ]8]2]5] [/FONT][COLOR=green][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy][FONT=Gurbaniwebthick](834-11, iblwvlu, mÚ[/FONT] 4)[/FONT][/COLOR] [FONT=Book Antiqua] O Nanak, we are the instruments upon which He plays; as He wills, so is the path we take. ||8||2||5||[/FONT] [CENTER] [B][FONT=Book Antiqua]In such a situation how can then one state that one has free will. One can only that much that is permitted as per the karmas as the karmas cannot be erased in normal course. This is His creation and we do that we are supposed to do.[/FONT][/B] [/CENTER] [FONT=Gurbaniwebthick]iehu jgu vrnu rUpu sBu qyrw ijqu lwvih sy krm kmeIAw ] [COLOR=green][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy](834-11, iblwvlu, mÚ 4)[/FONT][/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=Book Antiqua] This world, with its colors and forms, is all Yours, O Lord; as You attach us, so do we do our deeds.[/FONT] [FONT=Book Antiqua][B]The above concept of helplessness of the mortal is stated as follows:[/B][/FONT] [FONT=Gurbaniwebthick]hm cyrI qU Agm gusweI ikAw hm krh qyrY vis peIAw ] [COLOR=green][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy](836-11, iblwvlu, mÚ 4)[/FONT][/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=Book Antiqua] I am Your hand-maiden, O Inaccessible Lord of the Universe; what can I do by myself? I am under Your power[/FONT]. [B][FONT=Book Antiqua]Oh My Master forgive me. I am not even to be reckoned above dust as such are my deeds. Kindly forgive us. We are all but your creation.[/FONT][/B] [FONT=Gurbaniwebthick]ikrpw krhu dIn ky dwqy myrw guxu Avgxu n bIcwrhu koeI ] [COLOR=green][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy](882-16, rwmklI, mÚ 5)[/FONT][/COLOR][/FONT] H[FONT=Book Antiqua]ave mercy on me, O Generous Giver, Lord of the meek; please do not consider my merits and demerits.[/FONT] [FONT=Gurbaniwebthick] mwtI kw ikAw DopY suAwmI mwxs kI giq eyhI ]1] [COLOR=green][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy](882-16, rwmklI, mÚ 5)[/FONT][/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=Book Antiqua] How can dust be washed? O my Lord and Master, such is the state of mankind. ||1|[/FONT]| [FONT=Book Antiqua][B]And further :[/B][/FONT] [FONT=Gurbaniwebthick]jYsw rMgu dyih so hovY ikAw nwnk jMq ivcwry ]8]3] [COLOR=green][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy](982-4, nt, mÚ 4)[/FONT][/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=Book Antiqua] Only that color which You impart, Lord, exists; O Nanak, what can the poor wretched being do? ||8||3||[/FONT] [FONT=Book Antiqua][B]We are just poor and wretched creatures only and there is nothing that we claim to state that we can do it. [/B][/FONT] [FONT=Gurbaniwebthick]ikAw vycwrw jMqu jw Awip BulwieAw ]8] [COLOR=green][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy](707-16, jYqsrI, mÚ 5)[/FONT][/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=Book Antiqua] What can the poor helpless creature do? The Lord Himself has deluded him. ||8||[/FONT] [CENTER][B][FONT=Book Antiqua] Till we have the mercy we have everything that we call as everything but in essence we have nothing else we are earthly worms.[/FONT][/B] [/CENTER] [FONT=Gurbaniwebthick] nwnk jo iqsu BwvY so QIAY ienw jMqw vis ikCu nwih ]8]4] [/FONT][FONT=Gurbaniwebthick][COLOR=green](55-18, [FONT=Book Antiqua]isrIrwgu, mÚ 1)[/FONT][/COLOR][/FONT][FONT=Book Antiqua] O Nanak, whatever pleases His Will comes to pass. Nothing is in the hands of these beings. ||8||4||[/FONT] [CENTER][FONT=Book Antiqua][B] How can we state that we have anything to do. Do we have some power.?If yes, it is HIS grace only and nothing else. [/B][/FONT] [/CENTER] [FONT=Gurbaniwebthick] ien@ kY ikCu hwiQ nhI khw krih ieih bpuVy ien@ kw vwihAw kCu n vsweI ] [/FONT][FONT=Book Antiqua][COLOR=green](859-8, goNf, mÚ 4)[/COLOR][/FONT][FONT=Book Antiqua] Nothing is in their hands; what can these poor creatures do? By their actions, nothing can be done[/FONT]. [B][FONT=Book Antiqua] Guru gives this understanding:[/FONT][/B] [FONT=Gurbaniwebthick] ikCu iksI kY hiQ nwhI myry suAwmI AYsI myrY siqguir bUJ buJweI ] [/FONT][FONT=Gurbaniwebthick][COLOR=green](860-1, goNf, mÚ 4)[/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=Book Antiqua] Nothing is in the hands of anyone, O my Lord and Master; such is the understanding the True Guru has given me to understand[/FONT]. [B][FONT=Book Antiqua] I dedicate the following lines to aad ji:[/FONT][/B] [FONT=Gurbaniwebthick] ErY kCU n iknhU kIAw ] [/FONT][FONT=Gurbaniwebthick][COLOR=green](261-1, gauVI, mÚ 5)[/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=Book Antiqua] In this world, no one accomplishes anything by himself.[/FONT] [FONT=Gurbaniwebthick] nwnk sBu kCu pRB qy hUAw ]51] [/FONT][FONT=Gurbaniwebthick][COLOR=green](261-1, gauVI, mÚ 5)[/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=Book Antiqua] O Nanak, everything is done by God. ||51[/FONT] [B][FONT=Book Antiqua] I shall be able to touch upon the second aspect i.e. Karmas etc as stated by Gyani Jarnail ji.[/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Book Antiqua]In nut shell whether there is 'free will' or not is left to the study of the reader/members. He never intended it. Yes, He has given intellect that we can carry out with our the daily lives .Our intellect, that we call as ours, is also under the control of the Almighty. How can our actions be out of it.It just cannot be. Freedom to 'will' is freewill and that cannot be the prerogative of the mortals. Strange are His ways.!![/FONT][/B] [B] [/FONT][/B] [FONT=Gurbaniwebthick]hwiQ hmwrY kCUAY nwhI ijsu jxwieih iqsY jxwvxw ]9] [COLOR=green][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy](1086-8, mwrU, mÚ 5)[/FONT][/COLOR][/FONT] [B][FONT=Book Antiqua] [/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Book Antiqua]Nothing is in my hands; he alone knows, whom You inspire to know. ||9||[/FONT][/B] [FONT=Gurbaniwebthick] [/FONT] [FONT=Gurbaniwebthick] jw kY msqik Duir iliK pwieAw ] [COLOR=green][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy](1086-9, mwrU, mÚ 5)[/FONT][/COLOR][/FONT] [B][FONT=Book Antiqua]One who has such pre-ordained destiny inscribed upon his forehead,[/FONT][/B] [FONT=Gurbaniwebthick] [/FONT] [FONT=Gurbaniwebthick] iqs hI purK n ivAwpY mwieAw ] [COLOR=green][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy](1086-9, mwrU, mÚ 5)[/FONT][/COLOR][/FONT] [B][FONT=Book Antiqua]that person is not afflicted by Maya.[/FONT][/FONT][/B] [B] Regards to all.!! [/FONT][/B] [/QUOTE]
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