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Kabir Ji Bani Ang 477
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<blockquote data-quote="arshi" data-source="post: 198882" data-attributes="member: 9479"><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Sahni ji</span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">As mentioned earlier Kabir Ji uses two scenarios, one of </span><em><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">kakree-aa</span></em><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"> (<em>khakhree-aa</em>) and the other of a wedding to drive home his message.</span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">My main purpose of the earlier post was to point out the inaccurateinterpretation, in my opinion, of </span><em><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">kakree-aa</span></em><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"> as marbles of ice and that <em>kakree-aa</em> refers to <em>khakhree-aa,</em> which Prof Sahib Singh ji translates as Akk (<em>calotropis proceria or gigantean).</em> I honestly cannot recall the general English term, but since the term akk is not actually used, this could be any other similar plant, bitter, repulsive and insipid in taste. In another shabad, Guru Nanak Ji used the leaves of the <em>simbal</em> tree, the fruit of which is tasteless and repulsive despite the height of the tree - its humility that counts i.e. humility is the hallmark of goodness. (Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji ). Similarly the red/orange bulbs (appearing like mangoes) on a cactus plant are not edible. </span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Our minds without humility are like these bitter <em>khakhree-aas</em>. The <em>mann</em> can only be nurtured by Guru’s message in restraining our negative traits, Kabir Ji gives this analogy (of <em>khakhree-aa</em>)to illustrate that with humility and execution of Guru’s message the <em>mann</em> can be sweetened (with the nectar of Bani) into a sweet mango.</span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">As for the term ‘</span><em><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">san<u>t</u>ahu’ I</span></em><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"> concur with Prof Sahib Singh ji as referring to <em>‘sant jano’</em>. Kabir Ji ends many of his shabads with similar style. The term <em>’saadho’</em> is also found several times in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. It was quite common in those days that travelling sages like Kabir Ji and Guru Nanak Dev Ji came across <em>‘sant mandlis’</em> (group of holy men) and addressed them. Therefore, ‘<em>san<u>t</u>ahu’ </em>referring to devotees appeals to me. These devotees also have issues with their <em>indrees</em>, just as we individually struggle to control and discipline them. At the end of the day it is all about educating our minds and keeping our <em>indrees</em> in check.</span></p><p> </p><p><em><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">raam simar pa<u>chh</u>u<u>t</u>aahigaa man.</span></em><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"> (Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji 1106 - 6)</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Kabir Ji is instructing his mind (more like our minds) to keep WaheGuru in rememberance, otherwise we will come to regret it.</span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">The last pankti is the one you have quoted.</span></p><p> </p><p><em><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">kaha<u>t</u> kabeer sunhu ray san<u>t</u>ahu saa<u>Dh</u>sanga<u>t</u> <u>t</u>ar jaaNhigaa. </span></em><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">(Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji 1106)</span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Kabeer says, listen <em>sant jano</em>, <em>bhagat jano</em> – i.e. those attached to Ram, Har, Parmatma, WaheGuru), you will be blessed and saved in the company of the holy – i.e. other seekers. True, Kabeer Ji is addressing his own mind but also the minds of those who care to listen to him, who were often simple folk, unaware of the intricacies of languages and interpretations.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Sahni ji, I am always hesitant to question the wisdom of enlightened minds like yourself. </span></strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">This is what I sincerely believe but I always stand corrected. Time permitting, I would revisit the shabad and do a translation of the whole shabad.</span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Best regards.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Rajinder Singh ‘Arshi’</span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="arshi, post: 198882, member: 9479"] [FONT=Verdana]Sahni ji[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana]As mentioned earlier Kabir Ji uses two scenarios, one of [/FONT][I][FONT=Verdana]kakree-aa[/FONT][/I][FONT=Verdana] ([I]khakhree-aa[/I]) and the other of a wedding to drive home his message.[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana]My main purpose of the earlier post was to point out the inaccurateinterpretation, in my opinion, of [/FONT][I][FONT=Verdana]kakree-aa[/FONT][/I][FONT=Verdana] as marbles of ice and that [I]kakree-aa[/I] refers to [I]khakhree-aa,[/I] which Prof Sahib Singh ji translates as Akk ([I]calotropis proceria or gigantean).[/I] I honestly cannot recall the general English term, but since the term akk is not actually used, this could be any other similar plant, bitter, repulsive and insipid in taste. In another shabad, Guru Nanak Ji used the leaves of the [I]simbal[/I] tree, the fruit of which is tasteless and repulsive despite the height of the tree - its humility that counts i.e. humility is the hallmark of goodness. (Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji ). Similarly the red/orange bulbs (appearing like mangoes) on a cactus plant are not edible. [/FONT] [FONT=Verdana]Our minds without humility are like these bitter [I]khakhree-aas[/I]. The [I]mann[/I] can only be nurtured by Guru’s message in restraining our negative traits, Kabir Ji gives this analogy (of [I]khakhree-aa[/I])to illustrate that with humility and execution of Guru’s message the [I]mann[/I] can be sweetened (with the nectar of Bani) into a sweet mango.[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana]As for the term ‘[/FONT][I][FONT=Verdana]san[U]t[/U]ahu’ I[/FONT][/I][FONT=Verdana] concur with Prof Sahib Singh ji as referring to [I]‘sant jano’[/I]. Kabir Ji ends many of his shabads with similar style. The term [I]’saadho’[/I] is also found several times in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. It was quite common in those days that travelling sages like Kabir Ji and Guru Nanak Dev Ji came across [I]‘sant mandlis’[/I] (group of holy men) and addressed them. Therefore, ‘[I]san[U]t[/U]ahu’ [/I]referring to devotees appeals to me. These devotees also have issues with their [I]indrees[/I], just as we individually struggle to control and discipline them. At the end of the day it is all about educating our minds and keeping our [I]indrees[/I] in check.[/FONT] [I][FONT=Verdana]raam simar pa[U]chh[/U]u[U]t[/U]aahigaa man.[/FONT][/I][FONT=Verdana] (Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji 1106 - 6)[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana]Kabir Ji is instructing his mind (more like our minds) to keep WaheGuru in rememberance, otherwise we will come to regret it.[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana]The last pankti is the one you have quoted.[/FONT] [I][FONT=Verdana]kaha[U]t[/U] kabeer sunhu ray san[U]t[/U]ahu saa[U]Dh[/U]sanga[U]t[/U] [U]t[/U]ar jaaNhigaa. [/FONT][/I][FONT=Verdana](Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji 1106)[/FONT] [COLOR=navy][FONT=Verdana]Kabeer says, listen [I]sant jano[/I], [I]bhagat jano[/I] – i.e. those attached to Ram, Har, Parmatma, WaheGuru), you will be blessed and saved in the company of the holy – i.e. other seekers. True, Kabeer Ji is addressing his own mind but also the minds of those who care to listen to him, who were often simple folk, unaware of the intricacies of languages and interpretations.[/FONT][/COLOR] [B][FONT=Verdana]Sahni ji, I am always hesitant to question the wisdom of enlightened minds like yourself. [/FONT][/B][FONT=Verdana]This is what I sincerely believe but I always stand corrected. Time permitting, I would revisit the shabad and do a translation of the whole shabad.[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana]Best regards.[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana]Rajinder Singh ‘Arshi’[/FONT] [/QUOTE]
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