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<blockquote data-quote="ISDhillon" data-source="post: 22464" data-attributes="member: 1987"><p><strong>re: 'Janam Sakhi' Are True Events</strong></p><p></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" /> <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" /> <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" /> <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" /> <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" /> </span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">“I have no need to see the gurus performing miracles to validate their greatness.”</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Nor do I but I still accept them as being true.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">“To simply state that the miracles happened and we should just accept them as true is a very naive and immature argument”</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">janamsakhis were the evidence, you have adopted an opposition argument what may I ask is the evidence which supports your opposition, it is wishful thinking to suggest that the janamsakhis must be proved their will be no account on video as it was invented much later on, therefore you must also reject the guru granth sahib also because these were words that were written also where is your evidence that the granth was written by the guru and how do you prove it?</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">“Whatever happened to the notion that Guru Nanak stated above that all birth comes about thru Gods Will?”</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">this statement is a clear indication of how your attempt at logic is lame, why is it that the will of god is not in going to a baba and asking for blessings of a child like I said in my previous post where does gods hukum start and finish, the fact that I am writing this post now is also gods hukum if I was to ask a baba to write my post for me that would also be gods hukum, the gurus wife was mata ganga and he sent her himself to a sikh it was to show that you should go and do service of gurmukhs it was not to show that the guru endorsed jantar mantar.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">“they make the gurus into complete hypocrites both when compared to other gurus and compared to the gurbani they wrote.”</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">I think I have addressed above how this statement is irrelevant I don’t mean to sound knowledgable on sikhi but your idea of gurmat is incorrect.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">“Every action the gurus did they always provided reason for it.”</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">No they did not. Prove it?</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">“The gurus teachings were all founded on logical reasoning which every person could understand and be able to realize the significance of”</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">no it was not this is what you would personally like it to be where is your proof of all of this, in fact I have provided you plenty of quotes from sggs in my previou post none of which you have addressed because deep down inside you know your position is flawed, the guru is noor ilahi the radiant form of the guru was enough to not shatter any faith or question the guru.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">“Why did they perform the miracles that they did? What was their purpose? What did they achieve thru them?”</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">because it was the will of god, and these questions are in fact pointless because I have already said that no –ne can second guess the mind of the guru but I am willing to do this just for you so lets look at a few youll be surprised how simple the answers are it doesn’t take a genius:</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">valli khandari: to stop a boulder and give water to mardana</span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">evil kauda: to stop him from eating mardana</span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">mecca: to show that god exists everywhere</span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">makkan shah: to show what is possible with true devotion to guru</span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Baghdad</span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">: to show there are many other worlds than just this and falisification of semitic revelations</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">I could go on but from the above, the miracles were never to show the guru was an amazing person or to appeal to wider public, the guru takes away people ignorance, the guru used spiritual power some used physical power some used mental power there is nothing that is condoned or disallowed, it just is, their does not have to be a reason. the wandering mind is afflicted by such questions, are you doing your bhagti? If so your questions will stop and you would seek all answers from bani but not use bani to look into past history their is nothing gained from that just more questions.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">“But for newcomers, they will be more drawn and fixated on the 'miracles', 'powers' of the gurus shown in these stories rather than the deeper underlying message”</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">I hope you don’t feel that I am always disagreeing with you but I am this time, the youth are more obsessed with shaheeda because the martial aspect of sikhi has always been overplayed especially in sakhis, </span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Isdhillon </span></span></p><p> </p><p><img src="/images/smilies/whatsapp/wah.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":wah:" title="Wah :wah:" data-shortname=":wah:" /> <img src="/images/smilies/whatsapp/wah.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":wah:" title="Wah :wah:" data-shortname=":wah:" /> <img src="/images/smilies/whatsapp/wah.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":wah:" title="Wah :wah:" data-shortname=":wah:" /> <img src="/images/smilies/whatsapp/wah.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":wah:" title="Wah :wah:" data-shortname=":wah:" /> <img src="/images/smilies/whatsapp/wah.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":wah:" title="Wah :wah:" data-shortname=":wah:" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ISDhillon, post: 22464, member: 1987"] [b]re: 'Janam Sakhi' Are True Events[/b] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]:p :p :p :p :p [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]“I have no need to see the gurus performing miracles to validate their greatness.”[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Nor do I but I still accept them as being true.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]“To simply state that the miracles happened and we should just accept them as true is a very naive and immature argument”[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]janamsakhis were the evidence, you have adopted an opposition argument what may I ask is the evidence which supports your opposition, it is wishful thinking to suggest that the janamsakhis must be proved their will be no account on video as it was invented much later on, therefore you must also reject the guru granth sahib also because these were words that were written also where is your evidence that the granth was written by the guru and how do you prove it?[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]“Whatever happened to the notion that Guru Nanak stated above that all birth comes about thru Gods Will?”[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]this statement is a clear indication of how your attempt at logic is lame, why is it that the will of god is not in going to a baba and asking for blessings of a child like I said in my previous post where does gods hukum start and finish, the fact that I am writing this post now is also gods hukum if I was to ask a baba to write my post for me that would also be gods hukum, the gurus wife was mata ganga and he sent her himself to a sikh it was to show that you should go and do service of gurmukhs it was not to show that the guru endorsed jantar mantar.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]“they make the gurus into complete hypocrites both when compared to other gurus and compared to the gurbani they wrote.”[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I think I have addressed above how this statement is irrelevant I don’t mean to sound knowledgable on sikhi but your idea of gurmat is incorrect.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]“Every action the gurus did they always provided reason for it.”[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]No they did not. Prove it?[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]“The gurus teachings were all founded on logical reasoning which every person could understand and be able to realize the significance of”[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]no it was not this is what you would personally like it to be where is your proof of all of this, in fact I have provided you plenty of quotes from sggs in my previou post none of which you have addressed because deep down inside you know your position is flawed, the guru is noor ilahi the radiant form of the guru was enough to not shatter any faith or question the guru.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]“Why did they perform the miracles that they did? What was their purpose? What did they achieve thru them?”[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]because it was the will of god, and these questions are in fact pointless because I have already said that no –ne can second guess the mind of the guru but I am willing to do this just for you so lets look at a few youll be surprised how simple the answers are it doesn’t take a genius:[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]valli khandari: to stop a boulder and give water to mardana[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]evil kauda: to stop him from eating mardana[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]mecca: to show that god exists everywhere[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]makkan shah: to show what is possible with true devotion to guru[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Baghdad[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]: to show there are many other worlds than just this and falisification of semitic revelations[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I could go on but from the above, the miracles were never to show the guru was an amazing person or to appeal to wider public, the guru takes away people ignorance, the guru used spiritual power some used physical power some used mental power there is nothing that is condoned or disallowed, it just is, their does not have to be a reason. the wandering mind is afflicted by such questions, are you doing your bhagti? If so your questions will stop and you would seek all answers from bani but not use bani to look into past history their is nothing gained from that just more questions.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]“But for newcomers, they will be more drawn and fixated on the 'miracles', 'powers' of the gurus shown in these stories rather than the deeper underlying message”[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I hope you don’t feel that I am always disagreeing with you but I am this time, the youth are more obsessed with shaheeda because the martial aspect of sikhi has always been overplayed especially in sakhis, [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Isdhillon [/FONT][/COLOR] :wah: :wah: :wah: :wah: :wah: [/QUOTE]
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