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<blockquote data-quote="ISDhillon" data-source="post: 22429" data-attributes="member: 1987"><p><strong>re: 'Janam Sakhi' Are True Events</strong></p><p></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">:u): </span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">“If anything, one who follows the guru without any questions in their mind (in beginning at least) would be tantamount to living by blind faith”</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">A wise man once said it is ok to have blind faith for it is the religion which has the vision, so the mind is actually blind, and anyway guru wants you to surrender to his message not refute it eg, je tu prem killen ka chaau sir tal talli galli mere avauh”,</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">“I reject the display of miracles by the gurus becaue they go against the fundamental tenets of gurmat.”</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Gurmat says that all mracles are from naam therefore what you see in the guru is a product of naam its not his fault that he has power of naam why do you presume he wants to impress people he is just doing his job. Look:</span></span></p><p></p><p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">3 </span></span><a href="http://www.searchgurbani.com/raags/raag_bairari.php" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #0000ff">Bairaarhee</span></span></span></a><a href="http://www.searchgurbani.com/gurus/gururamdas.htm" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #0000ff">Guru Ram Das</span></span></span></a></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">iriD buiD isiD suK pwvih Bju gurmiq hir rwm rwm ]1] rhwau ] </span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">Riches, wisdom, supernatural spiritual powers and peace are obtained, by vibrating, meditating on the Lord God, under Guru's Instruction. ||1||Pause||</span></span></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Look when gurgaddi was passed to guru angad dev ji supernatural powers were passed also:</span></span></p><p></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="color: #003366"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">20. </span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: #003366"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><a href="http://www.searchgurbani.com/sggs.php?Book=ggs&Action=Page&Param=1392" target="_blank"><span style="color: #0000ff">Page1392 Line 18 Raag Sava-yay (praise of Guru Amar Das: Kal</span></a></span></span></strong><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p> <span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniWebThick'"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">iqqu nwim risku nwnku lhxw QipE jyn sRb isDI ] </span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniWebThick'"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"></span></span></span><strong><span style="color: #003366"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">thith naam rasik naanak lehanaa thhapiou </span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: #003366"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">jaen</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: #003366"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"> srab sidhhee || </span></span></strong><span style="color: #003366"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #003366"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span><span style="color: #366732"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Nanak delighted in the Naam; He established Lehnaa as Guru, who was imbued with all supernatural spiritual powers.</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Not everything that we can see is the measure of existence in this regard look what gurmat says about intellect:</span></span></p><p></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong><span style="color: #003366"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><a href="http://www.searchgurbani.com/sggs.php?Book=ggs&Action=Page&Param=50" target="_blank"><span style="color: #0000ff">Page50 Line 5 Raag Sriraag: Guru Arjan Dev</span></a></span></span></strong><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniWebThick'"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">jo dIsY so ivxsxw mn kI miq iqAwgu ]1] rhwau ] <br /> </span></span></span><strong><span style="color: #003366"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">jo dheesai so vinasanaa man kee math thiaag ||1|| rehaao || </span></span></strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Whatever is seen, shall pass away. Abandon the intellectualizations of your mind. ||1||Pause||</span></li> </ul><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Intellect is only awakened through naam:</span></span></p><p></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong><span style="color: #003366"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><a href="http://www.searchgurbani.com/sggs.php?Book=ggs&Action=Page&Param=92" target="_blank"><span style="color: #0000ff">Page92 Line 4 Raag Sriraag: Saint Kabir</span></a></span></span></strong><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniWebThick'"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">aupjY shju igAwn miq jwgY ] <br /> </span></span></span><strong><span style="color: #003366"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">oupajai sehaj giaan math jaagai || </span></span></strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Intuitive peace and poise well up within, and the intellect is awakened to spiritual wisdom.</span></li> </ul><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">So in reality gurmat does not say that janamsakhis are untrue because they are not miracles they are well within the capability of those who have power of naam so my guru is represented by fair account in janamsakhis in full respect of gurmat.</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">“They didnt simply jus look at him and magically say we wanna follow u.”</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">this where you and me differ on an intellectual level, I believe that we don’t have to understand the words of bani because they are for your soul and that is why people took to the gurus because the gurus words awakened the soul within them, but it is good to understand the words if you want to but we should not make that the rule of law because that is your opinion. Bani is god.</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">“Which true lover of sikhi would not be worried bout this and wish to put a halt to this and restore sikhi to its true form?”</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">sikhi is about transcending duality we cannot do this if we keep trying because ultimately you just need to do what you as an individual have to do as a sikh and when you are saved you will save those around you, it starts with you no one is stopping your sikhi it is just fear in you.</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">“As for doing naam simran, thank u for the suggestion, but might i also suggest perhaps you do some study of what naam simran is. Naam simran is not some sort of magical mantar one recites which makes one spiritual and fight off the five vices”</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">this is your personal opinion you are not the guru everyone has their own sikhi there is not one way our practices are not rigid if I have learned from bani that I can become spiritual and fight of the 5 vices then that’s my progress if you achieved something more then you are free to dwell In it but I disagree, can you from now on back up your comments from gurbani I will too:</span></span></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="color: #003366"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">30. </span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: #003366"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><a href="http://www.searchgurbani.com/sggs.php?Book=ggs&Action=Page&Param=32" target="_blank"><span style="color: #0000ff">Page32 Line 1 Raag Sriraag: Guru Amar Das</span></a></span></span></strong><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p> <span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniWebThick'"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">AMDI nwmu n cyqeI sB bwDI jmkwil ] </span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniWebThick'"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"></span></span></span><strong><span style="color: #003366"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">andhhee naam n chaethee sabh baadhhee jamakaal || </span></span></strong><span style="color: #003366"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #003366"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span><span style="color: #366732"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">The spiritually blind do not even think of the Naam; they are all bound and gagged by the Messenger of Death.</span></span></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="color: #003366"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">45. </span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: #003366"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><a href="http://www.searchgurbani.com/sggs.php?Book=ggs&Action=Page&Param=59" target="_blank"><span style="color: #0000ff">Page59 Line 8 Raag Sriraag: Guru Nanak Dev</span></a></span></span></strong><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p> <span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniWebThick'"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">igAwnu iDAwnu Duin jwxIAY AkQu khwvY soie ] </span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniWebThick'"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"></span></span></span><strong><span style="color: #003366"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">giaan dhhiaan dhhun jaaneeai akathh kehaavai soe || </span></span></strong><span style="color: #003366"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #003366"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span><span style="color: #366732"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Know that from the vibration of the Word, we obtain spiritual wisdom and meditation. Through it, we speak the Unspoken.</span></span></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="color: #003366"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">59. <a href="http://www.searchgurbani.com/sggs.php?Book=ggs&Action=Page&Param=94" target="_blank"><span style="color: #0000ff">Page94 Line 4 Raag Maajh: Guru Ram Das</span></a></span></span></strong><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p> <span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniWebThick'"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">guir pUrY hir nwm isiD pweI ko ivrlw gurmiq clY jIau ]1] </span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniWebThick'"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"></span></span></span><strong><span style="color: #003366"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">gur poorai har naam sidhh paaee ko viralaa guramath chalai jeeo ||1|| </span></span></strong><span style="color: #003366"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #003366"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span><span style="color: #366732"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">The Perfect Guru has attained spiritual perfection in the Name of the Lord. How rare are those who follow the Guru's Teachings. ||1||</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">and there are many more quotes.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">I am not saying that showing powers would make someone egotistical I never said that, I said that even though the powers come to bhagat we should never want anything but if when attuned to god his hukum asks for power to be used then it is by his order it has nothing to do with ego don’t twist my words. I also believe that mool means divine essence and we all have 1 divine essence, but there is only one god but we are the same quality of god in essence but not god at the same time and yes we have the same power as god, “man to jot saroop hai apna mool pachaan” we then use formula of mool which is mool mantar to discover our own ik onkar, don’t try to use your personal opinion of Sikhism as being exclusive yours is but a personal opinion as is mine.</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">I don’t know about the fake babas but my gurus weren’t fake and they were capable and did carry out such “miracles” people believed then but with time faith becomes diluted and some people stop believeing and start having a pick and choose sikhi.</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">“If u wish to believe them as being true it is </span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">ur</span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"> choice.”</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">It is also your choice to reject the truth as it is in plain language rather than look for hidden meanings I accept the gurus message as it is and for me bani is not poetry but something which is supernatural and it guides my spirit even when I do not understand the meaning. We are both approaching the faith from different perspectives, I believe it is ok to understand bani to mould your life for the greater good of societal reform but that is not the premise of bani, it is for the soul and self-realisation. But you can follow your sikhi the way you want and I will too.</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Good day <img src="/images/smilies/whatsapp/wah.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":wah:" title="Wah :wah:" data-shortname=":wah:" /> </span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Isdhillon<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" /> </span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ISDhillon, post: 22429, member: 1987"] [b]re: 'Janam Sakhi' Are True Events[/b] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]:u): [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]“If anything, one who follows the guru without any questions in their mind (in beginning at least) would be tantamount to living by blind faith”[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]A wise man once said it is ok to have blind faith for it is the religion which has the vision, so the mind is actually blind, and anyway guru wants you to surrender to his message not refute it eg, je tu prem killen ka chaau sir tal talli galli mere avauh”,[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]“I reject the display of miracles by the gurus becaue they go against the fundamental tenets of gurmat.”[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Gurmat says that all mracles are from naam therefore what you see in the guru is a product of naam its not his fault that he has power of naam why do you presume he wants to impress people he is just doing his job. Look:[/FONT][/COLOR] [CENTER][COLOR=red][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]3 [/SIZE][/FONT][URL="http://www.searchgurbani.com/raags/raag_bairari.php"][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3][COLOR=#0000ff]Bairaarhee[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/URL][URL="http://www.searchgurbani.com/gurus/gururamdas.htm"][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3][COLOR=#0000ff]Guru Ram Das[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/URL][/COLOR][/CENTER] [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]iriD buiD isiD suK pwvih Bju gurmiq hir rwm rwm ]1] rhwau ] [/FONT][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]Riches, wisdom, supernatural spiritual powers and peace are obtained, by vibrating, meditating on the Lord God, under Guru's Instruction. ||1||Pause||[/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Look when gurgaddi was passed to guru angad dev ji supernatural powers were passed also:[/SIZE][/FONT] [B][COLOR=#003366][FONT=Verdana]20. [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=#003366][FONT=Verdana][URL="http://www.searchgurbani.com/sggs.php?Book=ggs&Action=Page&Param=1392"][COLOR=#0000ff]Page1392 Line 18 Raag Sava-yay (praise of Guru Amar Das: Kal[/COLOR][/URL][/FONT][/COLOR][/B][COLOR=#333333][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#333333][FONT=GurbaniWebThick][FONT=Times New Roman]iqqu nwim risku nwnku lhxw QipE jyn sRb isDI ] [/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR][B][COLOR=#003366][FONT=Verdana]thith naam rasik naanak lehanaa thhapiou [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=#003366][FONT=Verdana]jaen[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=#003366][FONT=Verdana] srab sidhhee || [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][COLOR=#003366][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#366732][FONT=Verdana]Nanak delighted in the Naam; He established Lehnaa as Guru, who was imbued with all supernatural spiritual powers.[/FONT][/COLOR] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Not everything that we can see is the measure of existence in this regard look what gurmat says about intellect:[/SIZE][/FONT] [LIST] [*][B][COLOR=#003366][FONT=Verdana][URL="http://www.searchgurbani.com/sggs.php?Book=ggs&Action=Page&Param=50"][COLOR=#0000ff]Page50 Line 5 Raag Sriraag: Guru Arjan Dev[/COLOR][/URL][/FONT][/COLOR][/B][COLOR=#333333][FONT=GurbaniWebThick][FONT=Times New Roman]jo dIsY so ivxsxw mn kI miq iqAwgu ]1] rhwau ] [/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR][B][COLOR=#003366][FONT=Verdana]jo dheesai so vinasanaa man kee math thiaag ||1|| rehaao || [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][FONT=Verdana]Whatever is seen, shall pass away. Abandon the intellectualizations of your mind. ||1||Pause||[/FONT][/LIST] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Intellect is only awakened through naam:[/SIZE][/FONT] [LIST] [*][B][COLOR=#003366][FONT=Verdana][URL="http://www.searchgurbani.com/sggs.php?Book=ggs&Action=Page&Param=92"][COLOR=#0000ff]Page92 Line 4 Raag Sriraag: Saint Kabir[/COLOR][/URL][/FONT][/COLOR][/B][COLOR=#333333][FONT=GurbaniWebThick][FONT=Times New Roman]aupjY shju igAwn miq jwgY ] [/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR][B][COLOR=#003366][FONT=Verdana]oupajai sehaj giaan math jaagai || [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][FONT=Verdana]Intuitive peace and poise well up within, and the intellect is awakened to spiritual wisdom.[/FONT][/LIST] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]So in reality gurmat does not say that janamsakhis are untrue because they are not miracles they are well within the capability of those who have power of naam so my guru is represented by fair account in janamsakhis in full respect of gurmat.[/SIZE][/FONT] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]“They didnt simply jus look at him and magically say we wanna follow u.”[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]this where you and me differ on an intellectual level, I believe that we don’t have to understand the words of bani because they are for your soul and that is why people took to the gurus because the gurus words awakened the soul within them, but it is good to understand the words if you want to but we should not make that the rule of law because that is your opinion. Bani is god.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]“Which true lover of sikhi would not be worried bout this and wish to put a halt to this and restore sikhi to its true form?”[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]sikhi is about transcending duality we cannot do this if we keep trying because ultimately you just need to do what you as an individual have to do as a sikh and when you are saved you will save those around you, it starts with you no one is stopping your sikhi it is just fear in you.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]“As for doing naam simran, thank u for the suggestion, but might i also suggest perhaps you do some study of what naam simran is. Naam simran is not some sort of magical mantar one recites which makes one spiritual and fight off the five vices”[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]this is your personal opinion you are not the guru everyone has their own sikhi there is not one way our practices are not rigid if I have learned from bani that I can become spiritual and fight of the 5 vices then that’s my progress if you achieved something more then you are free to dwell In it but I disagree, can you from now on back up your comments from gurbani I will too:[/FONT][/COLOR] [B][COLOR=#003366][FONT=Verdana]30. [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=#003366][FONT=Verdana][URL="http://www.searchgurbani.com/sggs.php?Book=ggs&Action=Page&Param=32"][COLOR=#0000ff]Page32 Line 1 Raag Sriraag: Guru Amar Das[/COLOR][/URL][/FONT][/COLOR][/B][COLOR=#333333][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#333333][FONT=GurbaniWebThick][FONT=Times New Roman]AMDI nwmu n cyqeI sB bwDI jmkwil ] [/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR][B][COLOR=#003366][FONT=Verdana]andhhee naam n chaethee sabh baadhhee jamakaal || [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][COLOR=#003366][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#366732][FONT=Verdana]The spiritually blind do not even think of the Naam; they are all bound and gagged by the Messenger of Death.[/FONT][/COLOR] [B][COLOR=#003366][FONT=Verdana]45. [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=#003366][FONT=Verdana][URL="http://www.searchgurbani.com/sggs.php?Book=ggs&Action=Page&Param=59"][COLOR=#0000ff]Page59 Line 8 Raag Sriraag: Guru Nanak Dev[/COLOR][/URL][/FONT][/COLOR][/B][COLOR=#333333][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#333333][FONT=GurbaniWebThick][FONT=Times New Roman]igAwnu iDAwnu Duin jwxIAY AkQu khwvY soie ] [/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR][B][COLOR=#003366][FONT=Verdana]giaan dhhiaan dhhun jaaneeai akathh kehaavai soe || [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][COLOR=#003366][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#366732][FONT=Verdana]Know that from the vibration of the Word, we obtain spiritual wisdom and meditation. Through it, we speak the Unspoken.[/FONT][/COLOR] [B][COLOR=#003366][FONT=Verdana]59. [URL="http://www.searchgurbani.com/sggs.php?Book=ggs&Action=Page&Param=94"][COLOR=#0000ff]Page94 Line 4 Raag Maajh: Guru Ram Das[/COLOR][/URL][/FONT][/COLOR][/B][COLOR=#333333][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#333333][FONT=GurbaniWebThick][FONT=Times New Roman]guir pUrY hir nwm isiD pweI ko ivrlw gurmiq clY jIau ]1] [/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR][B][COLOR=#003366][FONT=Verdana]gur poorai har naam sidhh paaee ko viralaa guramath chalai jeeo ||1|| [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][COLOR=#003366][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#366732][FONT=Verdana]The Perfect Guru has attained spiritual perfection in the Name of the Lord. How rare are those who follow the Guru's Teachings. ||1||[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]and there are many more quotes.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I am not saying that showing powers would make someone egotistical I never said that, I said that even though the powers come to bhagat we should never want anything but if when attuned to god his hukum asks for power to be used then it is by his order it has nothing to do with ego don’t twist my words. I also believe that mool means divine essence and we all have 1 divine essence, but there is only one god but we are the same quality of god in essence but not god at the same time and yes we have the same power as god, “man to jot saroop hai apna mool pachaan” we then use formula of mool which is mool mantar to discover our own ik onkar, don’t try to use your personal opinion of Sikhism as being exclusive yours is but a personal opinion as is mine.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I don’t know about the fake babas but my gurus weren’t fake and they were capable and did carry out such “miracles” people believed then but with time faith becomes diluted and some people stop believeing and start having a pick and choose sikhi.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]“If u wish to believe them as being true it is [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]ur[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] choice.”[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]It is also your choice to reject the truth as it is in plain language rather than look for hidden meanings I accept the gurus message as it is and for me bani is not poetry but something which is supernatural and it guides my spirit even when I do not understand the meaning. We are both approaching the faith from different perspectives, I believe it is ok to understand bani to mould your life for the greater good of societal reform but that is not the premise of bani, it is for the soul and self-realisation. But you can follow your sikhi the way you want and I will too.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Good day :wah: [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Isdhillon:p [/FONT][/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
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