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<blockquote data-quote="pk70" data-source="post: 100347" data-attributes="member: 5889"><p><strong>Re: Introducing Myself</strong></p><p></p><p>It is an Absolute Principle and It applies to every thing (Sargun) and some thing in terms of itself, which cannot be defined (Nirgun). One must set aside personal prejudices or bias and keep an open mind to understand the Principle. (VSGrewal Ji)</p><p> <strong>Respected VSGrewl Ji</strong></p><p> <strong>With all due respect I must state that you would not stop beating your drums to claim God as a principle even after failing badly to answer so many questions raised by many forum members, if you are so sure why don’t you dare to answer the questions I put to you repeatedly on other threads? I asked you those questions after giving you illustration of God by Gurus contrary to yours</strong></p><p> <strong>Or please admit it that its sheer your own Budh Gyan, Please don’t bring Gurbani into it, </strong></p><p> <u>God and spirit are both out side</u> the limitations of time and space. Prejudiced individuals see only what fits those prejudices.</p><p> <strong>Sir now from principle you are coming to spirits, one God and other spirit, how will you define it? I haven’t notice so <span style="color: Blue">deleted</span> thought for a while</strong></p><p> <strong>What it has to do with the word “prejudice”, May I ask you, are you prejudiced towards Gurus because Gurus don’t illustrate Him as a principle? Why don’t you be open to understand what they say instead of quoting below one liner (and I shall prove you that Guru goes beyond what you say).</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong></strong>Q. Do you believe in God?</p><p></p><p>A. It depends what you mean by the term.</p><p> <strong>Why don’t you define your own God by leaving quoting of Gurbani aside that doesn’t support you?</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p>One must keep an open mind and be receptive despite what issues arise?</p><p> <strong>Open mind to understand your Busdh gyan? Or to understand God through Gurbani!!!</strong></p><p></p><p><u>The absolute Principle (God) is not a, thing, sound or vibration, not divisible, not diluted or augmented, has no partner or complement, has no form or qualities as enumerated in <a href="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh/" target="_blank">Sikh</a> Mool Mantar(First lines of AGGS). Guru Arjan in the mode of Suhi says;</u></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਬਰਨੁ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਚਿਹਨੁ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਨਾਹੀ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਮੁਖੁ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਨ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਮਾਸਾਰਾ</span> ॥[/FONT] </p><p></p><p></p><p><em>Baran c</em><em>ẖ[/FONT]ihan nāhī muk</em><em>ẖ[/FONT] na māsārā.</em> </p><p></p><p>Akal Purkh has no color, no sign, no mouth and no beard -----Guru Arjan, Raag Suhi, AGGS, Page, 746-10 </p><p> <strong>Here is the complete Shabad that goes all over about God from formless to with forms; you picked one line to satisfy your own concept of God as per your habit. Obviously it’s your deliberate attempt to mislead people by</strong> <strong>quoting Gurbani, it’s of course a pathetic approach as it has been challenged numerous times without any answer from your side ever. Here is the complete Shabada, prove me if in this Shabad any slightest reference is given to your <u>own coined God</u></strong><u><span style="color: maroon"></span></u></p><p><u><span style="color: maroon">[/FONT]</span></u><span style="color: maroon"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%82%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%80" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸੂਹੀ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%B2%E0%A8%BE" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਮਹਲਾ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A9%AB" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">੫</span> </a>[/FONT]</span><span style="color: maroon">॥[/FONT]</span> <span style="color: maroon"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਰਾਸਿ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A9%B0%E0%A8%A1%E0%A8%B2%E0%A9%81" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਮੰਡਲੁ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A9%80%E0%A8%A8%E0%A9%8B" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਕੀਨੋ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%86%E0%A8%96%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BE" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਆਖਾਰਾ</span> </a>[/FONT]</span><span style="color: maroon">॥[/FONT]</span> <span style="color: maroon"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%97%E0%A8%B2%E0%A9%8B" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸਗਲੋ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%9C%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸਾਜਿ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%96%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%93" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਰਖਿਓ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AA%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BE" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਪਾਸਾਰਾ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A5%A5%E0%A9%A7%E0%A5%A5" target="_blank">॥[/FONT]<span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">੧</span>॥[/FONT] </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%89" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਰਹਾਉ</span> </a>[/FONT]</span><span style="color: maroon">॥[/FONT]</span> </p><p> Sūhī mėhlā 5.[/FONT]Rās mandal kīno ākẖārā.[/FONT]Saglo sāj rakẖi▫o pāsārā. ||1|| rahā▫o.[/FONT]</p><p> <strong>In Essence: God has made this world as an arena ( to play) all is his created expansion(pause) [/FONT]</strong></p><p> <span style="color: Red"><strong><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AC%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%81" target="_blank">ਬਹੁ</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AC%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%A7%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank">ਬਿਧਿ</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%82%E0%A8%AA" target="_blank">ਰੂਪ</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%B0%E0%A8%97" target="_blank">ਰੰਗ</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%86%E0%A8%AA%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BE" target="_blank">ਆਪਾਰਾ</a>॥<a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AA%E0%A9%87%E0%A8%96%E0%A9%88" target="_blank">ਪੇਖੈ</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%96%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%80" target="_blank">ਖੁਸੀ</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AD%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%97" target="_blank">ਭੋਗ</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%80" target="_blank">ਨਹੀ</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BE" target="_blank">ਹਾਰਾ</a>॥<a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%AD%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank">ਸਭਿ</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%B8" target="_blank">ਰਸ</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B2%E0%A9%88%E0%A8%A4" target="_blank">ਲੈਤ</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AC%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%A4" target="_blank">ਬਸਤ</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BE" target="_blank">ਨਿਰਾਰਾ</a>॥੧</strong></span><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">॥</span></span></p><p> Baho biḏẖ rūp rang āpārā.[/FONT]Pekẖai kẖusī bẖog nahī hārā.[/FONT]Sabẖ ras laiṯ basaṯ nirārā. ||1||[/FONT]</p><p> <strong>In Essence: He has made many infinite forms and colors, <span style="color: Red">He beholds all and enjoy never to getting tired of. While enjoying still He remains separate </span>(immaculate.)[/FONT]</strong></p><p> <span style="color: maroon"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AC%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%A8%E0%A9%81" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਬਰਨੁ</span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9A%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%A8%E0%A9%81" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਚਿਹਨੁ</span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%80" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਨਾਹੀ</span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%96%E0%A9%81" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਮੁਖੁ</span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਨ</span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BE" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਮਾਸਾਰਾ</span></a>[/FONT]</span><span style="color: maroon">॥[/FONT]</span><span style="color: maroon"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%A8%E0%A9%81" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਕਹਨੁ</span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਨ</span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%88" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਜਾਈ</span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%96%E0%A9%87%E0%A8%B2%E0%A9%81" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਖੇਲੁ</span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A4%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BE" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਤੁਹਾਰਾ</span></a>[/FONT]</span><span style="color: maroon">॥[/FONT]</span><span style="color: maroon"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%95" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਨਾਨਕ</span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%87%E0%A8%A3" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਰੇਣ</span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%B0%E0%A8%A4" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸੰਤ</span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9A%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BE" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਚਰਨਾਰਾ</span></a>[/FONT]</span><span style="color: maroon">॥[/FONT]</span><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">੨॥੨॥੪੫॥</span></span></p><p> Baran cẖihan nāhī mukẖ na māsārā.[/FONT]Kahan na jā▫ī kẖel ṯuhārā.[/FONT]Nānak reṇ sanṯ cẖarnārā. ||2||2||45||[/FONT]</p><p> <strong>In Essence: He has no color, sign, mouth or beard, its hard to explain your play Oh God! Nanak seeks humbly your refuge [/FONT]</strong></p><p> <strong>Tell me where in this Shabad God is described as principle? Can your open- mind point out God as a principle here? As I stated earlier, it’s all your own coined philosophy about God and has nothing to do with Gurbani. Gurbani doesn’t express God as you do. I am stunned at your deliberate attempt to preach about God contrary to Gurbani<o>: In your quoted one liner, it is about NIRGUN but in "sabh Ras Lait" Vaak indicates "His being in SARGUN form", then again it is said "His being separate from that". It absolutely not fits into your coined God as "Principle"</strong></p><p> <strong><u>By the way, this thread is to welcome people not to serve your own “kind of religion” </u>sermons!!!!</strong></p><p> </p><p> </p><p> <strong>With regards</strong></p><p> <strong>G Singh</strong></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="pk70, post: 100347, member: 5889"] [b]Re: Introducing Myself[/b] It is an Absolute Principle and It applies to every thing (Sargun) and some thing in terms of itself, which cannot be defined (Nirgun). One must set aside personal prejudices or bias and keep an open mind to understand the Principle. (VSGrewal Ji) [B]Respected VSGrewl Ji[/B] [B]With all due respect I must state that you would not stop beating your drums to claim God as a principle even after failing badly to answer so many questions raised by many forum members, if you are so sure why don’t you dare to answer the questions I put to you repeatedly on other threads? I asked you those questions after giving you illustration of God by Gurus contrary to yours[/B] [B]Or please admit it that its sheer your own Budh Gyan, Please don’t bring Gurbani into it, [/B] [U]God and spirit are both out side[/U] the limitations of time and space. Prejudiced individuals see only what fits those prejudices. [B]Sir now from principle you are coming to spirits, one God and other spirit, how will you define it? I haven’t notice so [COLOR=Blue]deleted[/COLOR] thought for a while[/B] [B]What it has to do with the word “prejudice”, May I ask you, are you prejudiced towards Gurus because Gurus don’t illustrate Him as a principle? Why don’t you be open to understand what they say instead of quoting below one liner (and I shall prove you that Guru goes beyond what you say). [/B]Q. Do you believe in God? A. It depends what you mean by the term. [B]Why don’t you define your own God by leaving quoting of Gurbani aside that doesn’t support you? [/B] One must keep an open mind and be receptive despite what issues arise? [B]Open mind to understand your Busdh gyan? Or to understand God through Gurbani!!![/B] [U]The absolute Principle (God) is not a, thing, sound or vibration, not divisible, not diluted or augmented, has no partner or complement, has no form or qualities as enumerated in [URL="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh/"]Sikh[/URL] Mool Mantar(First lines of AGGS). Guru Arjan in the mode of Suhi says;[/U] [FONT=Raavi]ਬਰਨੁ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਚਿਹਨੁ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਨਾਹੀ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਮੁਖੁ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਨ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਮਾਸਾਰਾ[/FONT] ॥[/FONT] [I]Baran c[/I][I]ẖ[/FONT]ihan nāhī muk[/I][I]ẖ[/FONT] na māsārā.[/I] Akal Purkh has no color, no sign, no mouth and no beard -----Guru Arjan, Raag Suhi, AGGS, Page, 746-10 [B]Here is the complete Shabad that goes all over about God from formless to with forms; you picked one line to satisfy your own concept of God as per your habit. Obviously it’s your deliberate attempt to mislead people by[/B] [B]quoting Gurbani, it’s of course a pathetic approach as it has been challenged numerous times without any answer from your side ever. Here is the complete Shabada, prove me if in this Shabad any slightest reference is given to your [U]own coined God[/U][/B][U][COLOR=maroon] [/FONT][/COLOR][/U][COLOR=maroon][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%82%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%80"][FONT=Raavi]ਸੂਹੀ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%B2%E0%A8%BE"][FONT=Raavi]ਮਹਲਾ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A9%AB"][FONT=Raavi]੫[/FONT] [/URL][/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=maroon]॥[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=maroon][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%BF"][FONT=Raavi]ਰਾਸਿ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A9%B0%E0%A8%A1%E0%A8%B2%E0%A9%81"][FONT=Raavi]ਮੰਡਲੁ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A9%80%E0%A8%A8%E0%A9%8B"][FONT=Raavi]ਕੀਨੋ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%86%E0%A8%96%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BE"][FONT=Raavi]ਆਖਾਰਾ[/FONT] [/URL][/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=maroon]॥[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=maroon][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%97%E0%A8%B2%E0%A9%8B"][FONT=Raavi]ਸਗਲੋ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%9C%E0%A8%BF"][FONT=Raavi]ਸਾਜਿ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%96%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%93"][FONT=Raavi]ਰਖਿਓ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AA%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BE"][FONT=Raavi]ਪਾਸਾਰਾ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A5%A5%E0%A9%A7%E0%A5%A5"]॥[/FONT][FONT=Raavi]੧[/FONT]॥[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%89"][FONT=Raavi]ਰਹਾਉ[/FONT] [/URL][/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=maroon]॥[/FONT][/COLOR] Sūhī mėhlā 5.[/FONT]Rās mandal kīno ākẖārā.[/FONT]Saglo sāj rakẖi▫o pāsārā. ||1|| rahā▫o.[/FONT] [B]In Essence: God has made this world as an arena ( to play) all is his created expansion(pause) [/FONT][/B] [COLOR=Red][B][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AC%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%81"]ਬਹੁ[/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AC%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%A7%E0%A8%BF"]ਬਿਧਿ[/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%82%E0%A8%AA"]ਰੂਪ[/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%B0%E0%A8%97"]ਰੰਗ[/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%86%E0%A8%AA%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BE"]ਆਪਾਰਾ[/URL]॥[URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AA%E0%A9%87%E0%A8%96%E0%A9%88"]ਪੇਖੈ[/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%96%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%80"]ਖੁਸੀ[/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AD%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%97"]ਭੋਗ[/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%80"]ਨਹੀ[/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BE"]ਹਾਰਾ[/URL]॥[URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%AD%E0%A8%BF"]ਸਭਿ[/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%B8"]ਰਸ[/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B2%E0%A9%88%E0%A8%A4"]ਲੈਤ[/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AC%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%A4"]ਬਸਤ[/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BE"]ਨਿਰਾਰਾ[/URL]॥੧[/B][/COLOR][COLOR=maroon][FONT=Raavi]॥[/FONT][/COLOR] Baho biḏẖ rūp rang āpārā.[/FONT]Pekẖai kẖusī bẖog nahī hārā.[/FONT]Sabẖ ras laiṯ basaṯ nirārā. ||1||[/FONT] [B]In Essence: He has made many infinite forms and colors, [COLOR=Red]He beholds all and enjoy never to getting tired of. While enjoying still He remains separate [/COLOR](immaculate.)[/FONT][/B] [COLOR=maroon][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AC%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%A8%E0%A9%81"][FONT=Raavi]ਬਰਨੁ[/FONT][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9A%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%A8%E0%A9%81"][FONT=Raavi]ਚਿਹਨੁ[/FONT][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%80"][FONT=Raavi]ਨਾਹੀ[/FONT][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%96%E0%A9%81"][FONT=Raavi]ਮੁਖੁ[/FONT][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8"][FONT=Raavi]ਨ[/FONT][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BE"][FONT=Raavi]ਮਾਸਾਰਾ[/FONT][/URL][/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=maroon]॥[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=maroon][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%A8%E0%A9%81"][FONT=Raavi]ਕਹਨੁ[/FONT][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8"][FONT=Raavi]ਨ[/FONT][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%88"][FONT=Raavi]ਜਾਈ[/FONT][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%96%E0%A9%87%E0%A8%B2%E0%A9%81"][FONT=Raavi]ਖੇਲੁ[/FONT][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A4%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BE"][FONT=Raavi]ਤੁਹਾਰਾ[/FONT][/URL][/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=maroon]॥[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=maroon][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%95"][FONT=Raavi]ਨਾਨਕ[/FONT][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%87%E0%A8%A3"][FONT=Raavi]ਰੇਣ[/FONT][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%B0%E0%A8%A4"][FONT=Raavi]ਸੰਤ[/FONT][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9A%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BE"][FONT=Raavi]ਚਰਨਾਰਾ[/FONT][/URL][/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=maroon]॥[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=maroon][FONT=Raavi]੨॥੨॥੪੫॥[/FONT][/COLOR] Baran cẖihan nāhī mukẖ na māsārā.[/FONT]Kahan na jā▫ī kẖel ṯuhārā.[/FONT]Nānak reṇ sanṯ cẖarnārā. ||2||2||45||[/FONT] [B]In Essence: He has no color, sign, mouth or beard, its hard to explain your play Oh God! Nanak seeks humbly your refuge [/FONT][/B] [B]Tell me where in this Shabad God is described as principle? Can your open- mind point out God as a principle here? As I stated earlier, it’s all your own coined philosophy about God and has nothing to do with Gurbani. Gurbani doesn’t express God as you do. I am stunned at your deliberate attempt to preach about God contrary to Gurbani<o>: In your quoted one liner, it is about NIRGUN but in "sabh Ras Lait" Vaak indicates "His being in SARGUN form", then again it is said "His being separate from that". It absolutely not fits into your coined God as "Principle"[/B] [B][U]By the way, this thread is to welcome people not to serve your own “kind of religion” [/U]sermons!!!![/B] [B]With regards[/B] [B]G Singh[/B] [/QUOTE]
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