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<blockquote data-quote="Sinister" data-source="post: 105213" data-attributes="member: 2684"><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Why shouldn’t humans eat humans? </span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">To prevent the expansion and proliferation of diseases. Animals (especially carnivores) prefer prey that looks nothing like them because they are the most genetically dissimilar, thus they will share the least amount of diseases. Which is why lions won’t eat other lions, lions may kill other predators, such as cheetahs but they will never actively hunt for them. </span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Prion related diseases have been associated with the those animals which consume there own kind; Mad Cow disease … bovine spongiform encephalitis …… Kuru (developed in some tribes in Africa that that practiced cannibalism) ….. Creutzfeldt Jacobs disease ….. scrapies.</span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">all these factors come together and give us an understanding as to why not only humans, but also the entire animal kingdom avoid eating there own kind.</span></p><p> </p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">I take offence to this question (not anger, but simply offence) because I know and understand what was implied, psychologically, behind such an armed question. </span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">I know that this debate has been ignited many times on spn, and that the arguments are always very similar if not identical, to the point where they become talking points (which is why I only answered part 7 of Greenjuice’s aka unbiasedview’s question, as it was the most intriguing). What have I learnt:</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">A particular sentiment is consistent within many in the ‘vegetarian cult’. </span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">For most vegetarians the consumption of meat is considered to be a barbaric act, simply because of a strong moral conviction that suffering is being inflicted on thousands of animals that can otherwise be avoided by unnaturally altering the human diet.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">By all measure of account, this bleeding heart sentiment is at the crux of this argument, the rest of the claptrap behind the debate is a secondary levy (which is needed because the primary levy is weak to begin with) that tries to justify their position as the correct one. Basically we humans try to justify our actions and protect ourselves even if it involves making up stories about ‘meat not being properly digested in the human GI tract’ or ‘canines preferably being used for cracking nuts’ (both claims so unsubstantiated and ludicrous that it is hard not to laugh).</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">It is childish because it is persuasion through fear and mostly guilt. In which the belief is that if you want something done you have to scare people or at least make them feel bad about themselves so that they are persuaded to change their ways. Instead of treating them like adults and conveying your feelings through a dialogue that stimulates thought and expands knowledge we are reduced to debating sentiments and morality on a childish level.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Do these people genuinely care about the animals/animal rights or are they more concerned about generating an aura of moral superiority above there equals? </span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Are animals to be treated like a commodity as they are now? Traded by the ton on the mercantile exchange?</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Should animals and grains be patented? Cloned? </span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Should meat be grown on a Petri dish?</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Is artificial insemination in animals cruel? What can be characterized as correct breeding practices?</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">How can farmers respect their livestock, make healthier food, and still out compete the farmers that don’t? what type of enforcement is necessary in the globalization and 'corporatization' of the farming industry?</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">This discussion really needs to move on and become far more intricate than what it is…what it is currently is just nonsense. What it needs to turn into is a serious discussion that puts serious issues first, not personal preferences.</span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Sinister, post: 105213, member: 2684"] [FONT=Arial]Why shouldn’t humans eat humans? [/FONT] [FONT=Arial]To prevent the expansion and proliferation of diseases. Animals (especially carnivores) prefer prey that looks nothing like them because they are the most genetically dissimilar, thus they will share the least amount of diseases. Which is why lions won’t eat other lions, lions may kill other predators, such as cheetahs but they will never actively hunt for them. [/FONT] [FONT=Arial]Prion related diseases have been associated with the those animals which consume there own kind; Mad Cow disease … bovine spongiform encephalitis …… Kuru (developed in some tribes in Africa that that practiced cannibalism) ….. Creutzfeldt Jacobs disease ….. scrapies.[/FONT] [FONT=Arial]all these factors come together and give us an understanding as to why not only humans, but also the entire animal kingdom avoid eating there own kind.[/FONT] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]I take offence to this question (not anger, but simply offence) because I know and understand what was implied, psychologically, behind such an armed question. [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]I know that this debate has been ignited many times on spn, and that the arguments are always very similar if not identical, to the point where they become talking points (which is why I only answered part 7 of Greenjuice’s aka unbiasedview’s question, as it was the most intriguing). What have I learnt:[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]A particular sentiment is consistent within many in the ‘vegetarian cult’. [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]For most vegetarians the consumption of meat is considered to be a barbaric act, simply because of a strong moral conviction that suffering is being inflicted on thousands of animals that can otherwise be avoided by unnaturally altering the human diet.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]By all measure of account, this bleeding heart sentiment is at the crux of this argument, the rest of the claptrap behind the debate is a secondary levy (which is needed because the primary levy is weak to begin with) that tries to justify their position as the correct one. Basically we humans try to justify our actions and protect ourselves even if it involves making up stories about ‘meat not being properly digested in the human GI tract’ or ‘canines preferably being used for cracking nuts’ (both claims so unsubstantiated and ludicrous that it is hard not to laugh).[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]It is childish because it is persuasion through fear and mostly guilt. In which the belief is that if you want something done you have to scare people or at least make them feel bad about themselves so that they are persuaded to change their ways. Instead of treating them like adults and conveying your feelings through a dialogue that stimulates thought and expands knowledge we are reduced to debating sentiments and morality on a childish level.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]Do these people genuinely care about the animals/animal rights or are they more concerned about generating an aura of moral superiority above there equals? [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]Are animals to be treated like a commodity as they are now? Traded by the ton on the mercantile exchange?[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]Should animals and grains be patented? Cloned? [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]Should meat be grown on a Petri dish?[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]Is artificial insemination in animals cruel? What can be characterized as correct breeding practices?[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]How can farmers respect their livestock, make healthier food, and still out compete the farmers that don’t? what type of enforcement is necessary in the globalization and 'corporatization' of the farming industry?[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]This discussion really needs to move on and become far more intricate than what it is…what it is currently is just nonsense. What it needs to turn into is a serious discussion that puts serious issues first, not personal preferences.[/FONT][/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
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