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How Can His Own Creation Become Chains?
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<blockquote data-quote="pk70" data-source="post: 93632" data-attributes="member: 5889"><p><span style="color: #333333">Your question was is The Supreme Spirit,[/FONT]</span></p><p> <strong><span style="color: #333333">No, it is there to understand why Guru Nanak says His Creation can become entanglement in spiritual pursuit to unite with the Lord[/FONT]</span></strong></p><p> <span style="color: #333333"> The Creator enchained by his own creation. By your responses you have verified and illustrated that it is. [/FONT]</span></p><p> <strong><span style="color: #333333">No, I have proved that Guru ji is right if one intends to pursue union with the Lord but remain engrossed in Maya created by Him.[/FONT]</span></strong></p><p> <strong><span style="color: #333333"> [/FONT]</span></strong></p><p> <span style="color: #333333">The Spirit of humanity, of mankind, of the collective conscience and supreme wisdom is cast into a hell and web of complexity of the pure truth, by those who have not the mind, spirit or courage to understand it. [/FONT]</span></p><p> <strong><span style="color: #333333"> All this is also a part of His creation; just as negative and positive, this is the way His show continues.[/FONT]</span></strong></p><p> <span style="color: #333333">Yes the creation holds truth and its writer to ransom, pay due reverence to the roguish and cunning demagogues presiding in power in the world societal stratum or be damned. [/FONT]</span></p><p> <strong><span style="color: #333333">Not necessarily, it depends on contexts of show and actions and reactions of the participants.[/FONT]</span></strong></p><p> <span style="color: #333333">Recitation of the word ad verbatim will not avail thee. Silence is Golden. Witch wenches unable to curry favour torment and by their tormenting will be destroyed by the very one they seek to discredit.[/FONT]</span></p><p> </p><p> <span style="color: #333333">[/FONT]</span></p><p> <strong><span style="color: #333333">It is here but for those who make a choice to recite it; all creatures do not go for filth as fly does.[/FONT]</span></strong></p><p> <span style="color: #333333">Why is the creator and his creation in chains...?[/FONT]</span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #333333">Duality, dual loyalties, economically weakened nations and races submitted to the demagogues in power in this age of Kalyug.[/FONT]</span></p><p> <strong><span style="color: #333333">It is restricted to meaning of duality in context of love for Him or for other tempting stuff. In Kalyug, saints were successful to experience Him.[/FONT]</span></strong></p><p> <span style="color: #333333"> [/FONT]</span><span style="color: #333333">Punjab[/FONT]</span><span style="color: #333333"> remains in chains. Its oppressor [/FONT]</span><span style="color: #333333">Hindustan[/FONT]</span><span style="color: #333333"> by laws of karma is under threat and subtle attack internally by states demanding equal rights from a barbaric and extremist regime itself submitted to the western will eroding its culture and civilisation through the media.[/FONT]</span></p><p> <strong><span style="color: #333333">That is a part of big Show, it has nothing to do with the concept of my article as I stated earlier, and Saints obtained Him in worse circumstances than [/FONT]</span></strong><strong><span style="color: #333333">Punjab[/FONT]</span></strong><strong><span style="color: #333333"> is now.[/FONT]</span></strong></p><p> <span style="color: #333333"> If it survives the Christian invasion, Islam will take and wield power, thus it accrues by its actions the toxic fruits of its own labours. [/FONT]</span><span style="color: #333333">America[/FONT]</span><span style="color: #333333"> itself stands under threat its own people awakening to the horrors committed by its government and the Black power uprising. The rulers of the [/FONT]</span><span style="color: #333333">US[/FONT]</span><span style="color: #333333"> and [/FONT]</span><span style="color: #333333">UK[/FONT]</span><span style="color: #333333"> exemplify what the world is at this juncture ruled by.[/FONT]</span></p><p> <strong><span style="color: #333333">All you state, I call it a part of His big show, there are good or bad participants created by the same Super Power Waheguru.[/FONT]</span></strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong></strong><span style="color: #333333">The oppression of the creator and its creation empowers an evil that will be vanquished by its own equally vile and sinful devious ilk.[/FONT]</span></p><p> <strong><span style="color: #333333">There was no one ever existed or will exist who can be oppressor of Him, just to give you jolt of reality, as stated by the ones who experienced ones, He is bigger than your imagination-limits[/FONT]</span></strong><span style="color: #333333">.[/FONT]</span></p><p> <span style="color: #333333"> Thus the cycle of death and rebirth perpetuates ensuring only The Brahm Giani journeys through the ocean of fire safely whilst loud praise singers are cast back into hell.[/FONT]</span></p><p> <strong><span style="color: #333333">I sincerely don’t know, yes, who knows Braham knows everything you can think of.[/FONT]</span></strong></p><p> <span style="color: #333333"> Should any Messiah seek to save them it is tormented and destroyed publicly by the demagogues who reward handsomely all those on its payroll, and destroy anyone who seeks to undermine their ill gotten gains. If Waheguru were alive what race, religion, caste or creed would he honour his name with, how would you know him, who would be his ally...?[/FONT]</span></p><p> <strong><span style="color: #333333">He is well alive, He is”Nirvair” beyond animosity, loves the non believers as well after all HE is the Creator of all. Blinds cannot enjoying beauty of “Sun-set”[/FONT]</span></strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><span style="color: #333333">Try and answer any of my points The Creator and His Creation are chained and oppressed because they are racially, religiously and nationally divided. The media and state embody the values of the Creators opposition and are united as one will to power. This is why the creation is in chains. [/FONT]</span></p><p> <strong><span style="color: #333333">No, I don’t care how you see the world, its is not even worth to hear you on this subject, only I am interested how His own Creation can turn chains if Guru is not followed. After having said that, the same creation becomes helpful also. Now all depend about who we talk about. For a person with a strong longing for the Creator, what Guru says is very important to remain aware about all this.[/FONT]</span></strong></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #333333">Religious zealotry is alive and well in you PK70,[/FONT]</span></p><p> <strong><span style="color: #333333">Thanks for this title though I confess I don’t believe in any organized religion, atheists, politicians, or any group; my world starts with the Guru and ends with the Guru. Judgment by a totally confused mind is meaningless for me; do you see where the problem lies?[/FONT]</span></strong></p><p> <span style="color: #333333"> you cannot be better than the company and counsel you keep, and I am tormented without one saviour in sight, as was <a href="http://www.sikhism.us/guru-nanak-dev/" target="_blank">Nanak</a> before me as well you know[/FONT]</span></p><p> <strong><span style="color: #333333">You spoke against Guru Nanak’s views,( This smell is all over in your posts) you have no understanding of Gurbani or Guru. By merely taking birth in a Sikh family one doesn’t become able to understand Guru Nanak, I have seen, who really fell for Guru Nanak, were not even born in so called Sikhism( Born in Sikhism, there are some who are trying to own it in their own way)[/FONT]</span></strong></p><p> <span style="color: #333333">. I do not convert and you are but a pawn of those enviers jealous of Sikhism being accorded any respect other than a small sub sect of Hinduism.[/FONT]</span></p><p> <strong><span style="color: #333333">Your views are not even worth to do any thing.[/FONT]</span></strong></p><p> <span style="color: #333333"> I recognise my enemies and demons, you are spiritually blind, and <a href="http://www.sikhism.us/sikh/" target="_blank">Sikhs</a> exemplify their religion even when cast into capture by their enemies and in chains.[/FONT]</span></p><p> <strong><span style="color: #333333">I do not have enemy including you, I see all His a show as Guru ji elaborates, you are just doing the part He assigned to you.[/FONT]</span></strong></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><a href="http://www.sikhism.us/guru-nanak-dev/" target="_blank">Guru Nanak</a>’s truths are absolute and pure based upon Love.[/FONT]</span></p><p> <strong><span style="color: #333333">I wish you could get it in reality![/FONT]</span></strong></p><p> <span style="color: #333333"> Do not apply cunning by seeking to accuse me of berating One whom I have faith in and love for. Political tactics is using the trusted as a shield for one’s own sins..[/FONT]</span></p><p> <strong><span style="color: #333333">I have certainly fail to understand your miseries created by your own actions and your refuge in accusations to breath ego loudly but look on this side, the water is calm. You did nothing but my instinct to pass by useless commotion.<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" />[/FONT]</span></strong></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="pk70, post: 93632, member: 5889"] [COLOR=#333333]Your question was is The Supreme Spirit,[/FONT][/COLOR] [B][COLOR=#333333]No, it is there to understand why Guru Nanak says His Creation can become entanglement in spiritual pursuit to unite with the Lord[/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [COLOR=#333333] The Creator enchained by his own creation. By your responses you have verified and illustrated that it is. [/FONT][/COLOR] [B][COLOR=#333333]No, I have proved that Guru ji is right if one intends to pursue union with the Lord but remain engrossed in Maya created by Him.[/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=#333333] [/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [COLOR=#333333]The Spirit of humanity, of mankind, of the collective conscience and supreme wisdom is cast into a hell and web of complexity of the pure truth, by those who have not the mind, spirit or courage to understand it. [/FONT][/COLOR] [B][COLOR=#333333] All this is also a part of His creation; just as negative and positive, this is the way His show continues.[/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [COLOR=#333333]Yes the creation holds truth and its writer to ransom, pay due reverence to the roguish and cunning demagogues presiding in power in the world societal stratum or be damned. [/FONT][/COLOR] [B][COLOR=#333333]Not necessarily, it depends on contexts of show and actions and reactions of the participants.[/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [COLOR=#333333]Recitation of the word ad verbatim will not avail thee. Silence is Golden. Witch wenches unable to curry favour torment and by their tormenting will be destroyed by the very one they seek to discredit.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][/FONT][/COLOR] [B][COLOR=#333333]It is here but for those who make a choice to recite it; all creatures do not go for filth as fly does.[/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [COLOR=#333333]Why is the creator and his creation in chains...?[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333]Duality, dual loyalties, economically weakened nations and races submitted to the demagogues in power in this age of Kalyug.[/FONT][/COLOR] [B][COLOR=#333333]It is restricted to meaning of duality in context of love for Him or for other tempting stuff. In Kalyug, saints were successful to experience Him.[/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [COLOR=#333333] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#333333]Punjab[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#333333] remains in chains. Its oppressor [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#333333]Hindustan[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#333333] by laws of karma is under threat and subtle attack internally by states demanding equal rights from a barbaric and extremist regime itself submitted to the western will eroding its culture and civilisation through the media.[/FONT][/COLOR] [B][COLOR=#333333]That is a part of big Show, it has nothing to do with the concept of my article as I stated earlier, and Saints obtained Him in worse circumstances than [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=#333333]Punjab[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=#333333] is now.[/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [COLOR=#333333] If it survives the Christian invasion, Islam will take and wield power, thus it accrues by its actions the toxic fruits of its own labours. [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#333333]America[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#333333] itself stands under threat its own people awakening to the horrors committed by its government and the Black power uprising. The rulers of the [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#333333]US[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#333333] and [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#333333]UK[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#333333] exemplify what the world is at this juncture ruled by.[/FONT][/COLOR] [B][COLOR=#333333]All you state, I call it a part of His big show, there are good or bad participants created by the same Super Power Waheguru.[/FONT][/COLOR] [/B][COLOR=#333333]The oppression of the creator and its creation empowers an evil that will be vanquished by its own equally vile and sinful devious ilk.[/FONT][/COLOR] [B][COLOR=#333333]There was no one ever existed or will exist who can be oppressor of Him, just to give you jolt of reality, as stated by the ones who experienced ones, He is bigger than your imagination-limits[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][COLOR=#333333].[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333] Thus the cycle of death and rebirth perpetuates ensuring only The Brahm Giani journeys through the ocean of fire safely whilst loud praise singers are cast back into hell.[/FONT][/COLOR] [B][COLOR=#333333]I sincerely don’t know, yes, who knows Braham knows everything you can think of.[/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [COLOR=#333333] Should any Messiah seek to save them it is tormented and destroyed publicly by the demagogues who reward handsomely all those on its payroll, and destroy anyone who seeks to undermine their ill gotten gains. If Waheguru were alive what race, religion, caste or creed would he honour his name with, how would you know him, who would be his ally...?[/FONT][/COLOR] [B][COLOR=#333333]He is well alive, He is”Nirvair” beyond animosity, loves the non believers as well after all HE is the Creator of all. Blinds cannot enjoying beauty of “Sun-set”[/FONT][/COLOR] [/B] [COLOR=#333333]Try and answer any of my points The Creator and His Creation are chained and oppressed because they are racially, religiously and nationally divided. The media and state embody the values of the Creators opposition and are united as one will to power. This is why the creation is in chains. [/FONT][/COLOR] [B][COLOR=#333333]No, I don’t care how you see the world, its is not even worth to hear you on this subject, only I am interested how His own Creation can turn chains if Guru is not followed. After having said that, the same creation becomes helpful also. Now all depend about who we talk about. For a person with a strong longing for the Creator, what Guru says is very important to remain aware about all this.[/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [COLOR=#333333]Religious zealotry is alive and well in you PK70,[/FONT][/COLOR] [B][COLOR=#333333]Thanks for this title though I confess I don’t believe in any organized religion, atheists, politicians, or any group; my world starts with the Guru and ends with the Guru. Judgment by a totally confused mind is meaningless for me; do you see where the problem lies?[/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [COLOR=#333333] you cannot be better than the company and counsel you keep, and I am tormented without one saviour in sight, as was [URL="http://www.sikhism.us/guru-nanak-dev/"]Nanak[/URL] before me as well you know[/FONT][/COLOR] [B][COLOR=#333333]You spoke against Guru Nanak’s views,( This smell is all over in your posts) you have no understanding of Gurbani or Guru. By merely taking birth in a Sikh family one doesn’t become able to understand Guru Nanak, I have seen, who really fell for Guru Nanak, were not even born in so called Sikhism( Born in Sikhism, there are some who are trying to own it in their own way)[/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [COLOR=#333333]. I do not convert and you are but a pawn of those enviers jealous of Sikhism being accorded any respect other than a small sub sect of Hinduism.[/FONT][/COLOR] [B][COLOR=#333333]Your views are not even worth to do any thing.[/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [COLOR=#333333] I recognise my enemies and demons, you are spiritually blind, and [URL="http://www.sikhism.us/sikh/"]Sikhs[/URL] exemplify their religion even when cast into capture by their enemies and in chains.[/FONT][/COLOR] [B][COLOR=#333333]I do not have enemy including you, I see all His a show as Guru ji elaborates, you are just doing the part He assigned to you.[/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [COLOR=#333333][URL="http://www.sikhism.us/guru-nanak-dev/"]Guru Nanak[/URL]’s truths are absolute and pure based upon Love.[/FONT][/COLOR] [B][COLOR=#333333]I wish you could get it in reality![/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [COLOR=#333333] Do not apply cunning by seeking to accuse me of berating One whom I have faith in and love for. Political tactics is using the trusted as a shield for one’s own sins..[/FONT][/COLOR] [B][COLOR=#333333]I have certainly fail to understand your miseries created by your own actions and your refuge in accusations to breath ego loudly but look on this side, the water is calm. You did nothing but my instinct to pass by useless commotion.:-)[/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [/QUOTE]
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