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<blockquote data-quote="Harjas Kaur Khalsa" data-source="post: 78951" data-attributes="member: 2125"><p>I was raised in America and so had opportunity to study different religions. I am not the one with the Abrahamic view. I read Bhagavad-Gita in my childhood veer ji. So no, I was never really a Christian, but I did live for a year in a cloistered Carmelite monastery to please my mother who is a Christian. I also spent time in a Hindu ashram. Is it proving something about the meaning of the Gurbani to make these observations about me personally?</p><p></p><p></p><p><em><span style="color: DarkRed">But the Krishna that says that I am the ONE and meditate upon me, is not the one that we can even consider worthy of discussion...</span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: DarkRed"></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: DarkRed">You have your belief system.Let it be,Y it be thrusted upon many others????</span></em></p><p></p><p>It's a discussion forum. No one forces you to read or agree. In fact the wonderful welcome is you are free to post your own insights, opinions and responses or ignore what you don't like. Is it that I am offensive, or is this just challenging the prevailing view? And if I am wrong, would you kindly correct me? </p><p></p><p></p><p><em><span style="color: DarkRed">That all you are talking is against Rehat.</span></em></p><p></p><p>Then why is what I am discussing found in Gurbani? </p><p></p><p><em><span style="color: DarkRed">"Going against the Rehat is a sin."</span></em></p><p>Are you my judge? Wouldn't <em>intent</em> be a factor in determining paap? Do you presume to know my intent? Is there a Rehit which says we can't talk about these things or try to gain insight into obscure passages in Gurbani? We can only talk about the Gurbani which agree's with the prevailing view and can never freely investigate or even make mistakes trying to understand the GurShabad? And in any event, the Panj Piare determine what is a sin or against rehit. Would you kindly show specifically where and how I'm sinning against rehit? </p><p></p><p></p><p><em><span style="color: DarkRed">"But the Krishna that says that I am the ONE and meditate upon me, is not the one that we can even consider worthy of discussion."</span></em></p><p></p><p>Can any learning or discussion be unworthy? The Gurbani is to answer questions. Why is it wrong to search the Gurbani?</p><p></p><p>Gurbani says: </p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">ਆਪੇ ਗੋਪੀ ਕਾਨੁ ਹੈ ਪਿਆਰਾ ਬਨਿ ਆਪੇ ਗਊ ਚਰਾਹਾ ॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">aapae gopee kaan hai piaaraa ban aapae goo charaahaa ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">The Beloved Himself is the milk-maid and Krishna; He Himself herds the cows in the woods. </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">ਆਪੇ ਸਾਵਲ ਸੁੰਦਰਾ ਪਿਆਰਾ ਆਪੇ ਵੰਸੁ ਵਜਾਹਾ ॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">aapae saaval sundharaa piaaraa aapae vans vajaahaa ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">The Beloved Himself is the blue-skinned, handsome one; He Himself plays on His flute. </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">ਕੁਵਲੀਆ ਪੀੜੁ ਆਪਿ ਮਰਾਇਦਾ ਪਿਆਰਾ ਕਰਿ ਬਾਲਕ ਰੂਪਿ ਪਚਾਹਾ ॥੨॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">kuvaleeaa peerr aap maraaeidhaa piaaraa kar baalak roop pachaahaa ||2||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">The Beloved Himself took the form of a child, and destroyed Kuwalia-peer, the mad elephant. ||2|| </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">ਆਪਿ ਅਖਾੜਾ ਪਾਇਦਾ ਪਿਆਰਾ ਕਰਿ ਵੇਖੈ ਆਪਿ ਚੋਜਾਹਾ ॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">aap akhaarraa paaeidhaa piaaraa kar vaekhai aap chojaahaa ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">The Beloved Himself sets the stage; He performs the plays, and He Himself watches them. </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">ਕਰਿ ਬਾਲਕ ਰੂਪ ਉਪਾਇਦਾ ਪਿਆਰਾ ਚੰਡੂਰੁ ਕੰਸੁ ਕੇਸੁ ਮਾਰਾਹਾ ॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">kar baalak roop oupaaeidhaa piaaraa chanddoor kans kaes maaraahaa ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">The Beloved Himself assumed the form of the child, and killed the demons Chandoor, Kansa and Kaysee. </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">ਆਪੇ ਹੀ ਬਲੁ ਆਪਿ ਹੈ ਪਿਆਰਾ ਬਲੁ ਭੰਨੈ ਮੂਰਖ ਮੁਗਧਾਹਾ ॥੩॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">aapae hee bal aap hai piaaraa bal bhannai moorakh mugadhhaahaa ||3||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">The Beloved Himself, by Himself, is the embodiment of power; He shatters the power of the fools and idiots. ||3||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">ਸਭੁ ਆਪੇ ਜਗਤੁ ਉਪਾਇਦਾ ਪਿਆਰਾ ਵਸਿ ਆਪੇ ਜੁਗਤਿ ਹਥਾਹਾ ॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">sabh aapae jagath oupaaeidhaa piaaraa vas aapae jugath hathhaahaa ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">The Beloved Himself created the whole world. In His hands He holds the power of the ages.</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">~SGGS Ji p. 606</span></p><p></p><p></p><p>How do we reconcile the apparent contradiction? Or is it a sin to read pauris of Gurbani trying to locate an answer. Perhaps I'm mistaken, but it does seem to say the Beloved Himself is the blue-skinned one who plays the flute. Now since I am a moorakh trying to understand, and I didn't put this in Gurbani, the only difference is you'd rather not look at it, and I want to investigate.</p><p></p><p>~Bhul chak maaf</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Harjas Kaur Khalsa, post: 78951, member: 2125"] I was raised in America and so had opportunity to study different religions. I am not the one with the Abrahamic view. I read Bhagavad-Gita in my childhood veer ji. So no, I was never really a Christian, but I did live for a year in a cloistered Carmelite monastery to please my mother who is a Christian. I also spent time in a Hindu ashram. Is it proving something about the meaning of the Gurbani to make these observations about me personally? [I][COLOR="DarkRed"]But the Krishna that says that I am the ONE and meditate upon me, is not the one that we can even consider worthy of discussion... You have your belief system.Let it be,Y it be thrusted upon many others????[/COLOR][/I] It's a discussion forum. No one forces you to read or agree. In fact the wonderful welcome is you are free to post your own insights, opinions and responses or ignore what you don't like. Is it that I am offensive, or is this just challenging the prevailing view? And if I am wrong, would you kindly correct me? [I][COLOR="DarkRed"]That all you are talking is against Rehat.[/COLOR][/I] Then why is what I am discussing found in Gurbani? [I][COLOR="DarkRed"]"Going against the Rehat is a sin."[/COLOR][/I] Are you my judge? Wouldn't [I]intent[/I] be a factor in determining paap? Do you presume to know my intent? Is there a Rehit which says we can't talk about these things or try to gain insight into obscure passages in Gurbani? We can only talk about the Gurbani which agree's with the prevailing view and can never freely investigate or even make mistakes trying to understand the GurShabad? And in any event, the Panj Piare determine what is a sin or against rehit. Would you kindly show specifically where and how I'm sinning against rehit? [I][COLOR="DarkRed"]"But the Krishna that says that I am the ONE and meditate upon me, is not the one that we can even consider worthy of discussion."[/COLOR][/I] Can any learning or discussion be unworthy? The Gurbani is to answer questions. Why is it wrong to search the Gurbani? Gurbani says: [INDENT][COLOR="Navy"]ਆਪੇ ਗੋਪੀ ਕਾਨੁ ਹੈ ਪਿਆਰਾ ਬਨਿ ਆਪੇ ਗਊ ਚਰਾਹਾ ॥ aapae gopee kaan hai piaaraa ban aapae goo charaahaa || The Beloved Himself is the milk-maid and Krishna; He Himself herds the cows in the woods. ਆਪੇ ਸਾਵਲ ਸੁੰਦਰਾ ਪਿਆਰਾ ਆਪੇ ਵੰਸੁ ਵਜਾਹਾ ॥ aapae saaval sundharaa piaaraa aapae vans vajaahaa || The Beloved Himself is the blue-skinned, handsome one; He Himself plays on His flute. ਕੁਵਲੀਆ ਪੀੜੁ ਆਪਿ ਮਰਾਇਦਾ ਪਿਆਰਾ ਕਰਿ ਬਾਲਕ ਰੂਪਿ ਪਚਾਹਾ ॥੨॥ kuvaleeaa peerr aap maraaeidhaa piaaraa kar baalak roop pachaahaa ||2|| The Beloved Himself took the form of a child, and destroyed Kuwalia-peer, the mad elephant. ||2|| ਆਪਿ ਅਖਾੜਾ ਪਾਇਦਾ ਪਿਆਰਾ ਕਰਿ ਵੇਖੈ ਆਪਿ ਚੋਜਾਹਾ ॥ aap akhaarraa paaeidhaa piaaraa kar vaekhai aap chojaahaa || The Beloved Himself sets the stage; He performs the plays, and He Himself watches them. ਕਰਿ ਬਾਲਕ ਰੂਪ ਉਪਾਇਦਾ ਪਿਆਰਾ ਚੰਡੂਰੁ ਕੰਸੁ ਕੇਸੁ ਮਾਰਾਹਾ ॥ kar baalak roop oupaaeidhaa piaaraa chanddoor kans kaes maaraahaa || The Beloved Himself assumed the form of the child, and killed the demons Chandoor, Kansa and Kaysee. ਆਪੇ ਹੀ ਬਲੁ ਆਪਿ ਹੈ ਪਿਆਰਾ ਬਲੁ ਭੰਨੈ ਮੂਰਖ ਮੁਗਧਾਹਾ ॥੩॥ aapae hee bal aap hai piaaraa bal bhannai moorakh mugadhhaahaa ||3|| The Beloved Himself, by Himself, is the embodiment of power; He shatters the power of the fools and idiots. ||3|| ਸਭੁ ਆਪੇ ਜਗਤੁ ਉਪਾਇਦਾ ਪਿਆਰਾ ਵਸਿ ਆਪੇ ਜੁਗਤਿ ਹਥਾਹਾ ॥ sabh aapae jagath oupaaeidhaa piaaraa vas aapae jugath hathhaahaa || The Beloved Himself created the whole world. In His hands He holds the power of the ages. ~SGGS Ji p. 606[/COLOR][/INDENT] How do we reconcile the apparent contradiction? Or is it a sin to read pauris of Gurbani trying to locate an answer. Perhaps I'm mistaken, but it does seem to say the Beloved Himself is the blue-skinned one who plays the flute. Now since I am a moorakh trying to understand, and I didn't put this in Gurbani, the only difference is you'd rather not look at it, and I want to investigate. ~Bhul chak maaf [/QUOTE]
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