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<blockquote data-quote="Harjas Kaur Khalsa" data-source="post: 78936" data-attributes="member: 2125"><p>Gurbani is the sum total of the Vedas is a reference to the tuk, </p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue">ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਨਾਦੰ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਵੇਦੰ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਰਹਿਆ ਸਮਾਈ ॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue">guramukh naadhan guramukh vaedhan guramukh rehiaa samaaee ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue">The Guru's Word is the Sound-current of the Naad; the Guru's Word is the Wisdom of the Vedas; the Guru's Word is all-pervading.</span></p><p></p><p>I did not state the Bani is a function of the Vedas. I said all the wisdom of the Vedas (sum total) is in the Gurbani. A radically different meaning from what you allege. Gurbani is not entirely independant or would not contain bhagat and bhatt bani. It is independant in that Guru has achieved understanding which no other religion has ever had. But all the wisdom of the past belongs to Guru. Guru had Mastery of knowledge of Hinduism, Islam and Christianity else how could he have corrected it?</p><p></p><p></p><p>I quoted several times where it says Guru's Word is the wisdom of the Vedas. Where it says in compassion the God created Krishna for the lost people. Where it says Krishna was an avatar for the Dwapara yuga. Where it says millions are incarnations of the God. I have read Bhagavad-Gita, and I understand that Krishna is speaking from God-consciousness. When Gurbani says that even you will merge into the God what do you think this means? </p><p></p><p>That God will ever be One and you will always be separate? </p><p></p><p>Or do you believe the Gurbani which states we will find our true nature which is the One? It's not like a competition between gods who is greater or lesser, that's duality. We know Krishna is created being. But we also know the God manifested through him. So why is this objectionable when it is what Gurbani teaches? Krishna is not a deva we worship or make altars to, which is what the Rehat Maryada is talking about. We don't need Krishna, we have Guru. But, we shouldn't say disrespectful things about Lord Krishna or hurt sentiments of Hindu people. Since Gurbani doesn't say Krishna is fake, why should we?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue">ਆਪੇ ਗੋਪੀ ਕਾਨੁ ਹੈ ਪਿਆਰਾ ਬਨਿ ਆਪੇ ਗਊ ਚਰਾਹਾ ॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue">aapae gopee kaan hai piaaraa ban aapae goo charaahaa ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue">The Beloved Himself is the milk-maid and Krishna; He Himself herds the cows in the woods. </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue">ਆਪੇ ਸਾਵਲ ਸੁੰਦਰਾ ਪਿਆਰਾ ਆਪੇ ਵੰਸੁ ਵਜਾਹਾ ॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue">aapae saaval sundharaa piaaraa aapae vans vajaahaa ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue">The Beloved Himself is the blue-skinned, handsome one; He Himself plays on His flute. </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue">ਕੁਵਲੀਆ ਪੀੜੁ ਆਪਿ ਮਰਾਇਦਾ ਪਿਆਰਾ ਕਰਿ ਬਾਲਕ ਰੂਪਿ ਪਚਾਹਾ ॥੨॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue">kuvaleeaa peerr aap maraaeidhaa piaaraa kar baalak roop pachaahaa ||2||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue">The Beloved Himself took the form of a child, and destroyed Kuwalia-peer, the mad elephant. ||2|| </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue">ਆਪਿ ਅਖਾੜਾ ਪਾਇਦਾ ਪਿਆਰਾ ਕਰਿ ਵੇਖੈ ਆਪਿ ਚੋਜਾਹਾ ॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue">aap akhaarraa paaeidhaa piaaraa kar vaekhai aap chojaahaa ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue">The Beloved Himself sets the stage; He performs the plays, and He Himself watches them. </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue">ਕਰਿ ਬਾਲਕ ਰੂਪ ਉਪਾਇਦਾ ਪਿਆਰਾ ਚੰਡੂਰੁ ਕੰਸੁ ਕੇਸੁ ਮਾਰਾਹਾ ॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue">kar baalak roop oupaaeidhaa piaaraa chanddoor kans kaes maaraahaa ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue">The Beloved Himself assumed the form of the child, and killed the demons Chandoor, Kansa and Kaysee. </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue">ਆਪੇ ਹੀ ਬਲੁ ਆਪਿ ਹੈ ਪਿਆਰਾ ਬਲੁ ਭੰਨੈ ਮੂਰਖ ਮੁਗਧਾਹਾ ॥੩॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue">aapae hee bal aap hai piaaraa bal bhannai moorakh mugadhhaahaa ||3||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue">The Beloved Himself, by Himself, is the embodiment of power; He shatters the power of the fools and idiots. ||3||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue">ਸਭੁ ਆਪੇ ਜਗਤੁ ਉਪਾਇਦਾ ਪਿਆਰਾ ਵਸਿ ਆਪੇ ਜੁਗਤਿ ਹਥਾਹਾ ॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue">sabh aapae jagath oupaaeidhaa piaaraa vas aapae jugath hathhaahaa ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue">The Beloved Himself created the whole world. In His hands He holds the power of the ages.</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue">~SGGS Ji p. 606</span></p><p></p><p></p><p>This part you don't understand. We are speaking about multiple levels of reality. It is true that a person, for example, could never be a god. Why? Because we're finite, created creatures. How can the created be the uncreated?</p><p></p><p>But on another level of reality, every person is a manifestation of the indivisible One. </p><p></p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple">ਜਿਸ ਤੇ ਉਪਜੈ ਤਿਸ ਤੇ ਬਿਨਸੈ ਘਟਿ ਘਟਿ ਸਚੁ ਭਰਪੂਰਿ ॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple">jis thae oupajai this thae binasai ghatt ghatt sach bharapoor ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple">We shall merge into the One from whom we came. The True One is pervading each and every heart.</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple">ਆਪੇ ਮੇਲਿ ਮਿਲਾਵਹੀ ਸਾਚੈ ਮਹਲਿ ਹਦੂਰਿ ॥੨॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple">aapae mael milaavehee saachai mehal hadhoor ||2||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple">He Himself unites us in Union with Himself; the True Mansion of His Presence is close at hand. ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple">~SGGS Ji p. 20</span></p><p></p><p>The God is pervading in everyone. So God is already present. If someone (not even have to be a famous avatar) speaks from authentic God-consciousness, then the small I is not speaking, but the Lord is speaking because the consciousness is merged. Don't you realize this is how Guru (the same Jyot in all forms) was able to bring the shabad to us? Otherwise Gurbani would only be words spoken by some created beings and so prone to error. But because Guru was God-realized and merged in the Divine consciousness the Gurbani is speaking transcendental and timeless Truth. How else could it be one Jyot in 10 bodies and in 11th Shabad Guru Ji? Unless this was God-consciousness. Or are you saying the God does not speak through Guru? </p><p></p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkGreen">ਪ੍ਰੀਤਿ ਲਗੀ ਤਿਸੁ ਸਚ ਸਿਉ ਮਰੈ ਨ ਆਵੈ ਜਾਇ ॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkGreen">preeth lagee this sach sio marai n aavai jaae ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkGreen">I have fallen in love with the True Lord. He does not die, He does not come and go.</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkGreen"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkGreen">ਨਾ ਵੇਛੋੜਿਆ ਵਿਛੁੜੈ ਸਭ ਮਹਿ ਰਹਿਆ ਸਮਾਇ ॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkGreen">naa vaeshhorriaa vishhurrai sabh mehi rehiaa samaae ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkGreen">In separation, He is not separated from us; He is pervading and permeating amongst all.</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkGreen">~SGGS Ji p. 46</span></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Pk70 complains I only post single tuk and not entire shabad, And you complain I post too much Gurbani. Hard to please everyone. Don't be too harsh. It's hard to read too much Gurbani. You will miss me when I'm gone. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>Since when did entire Sikh community ever have the same outlook on anything? That is truly wishful thinking.</p><p></p><p>As I'm trying to explain, and I realize it is a difficult concept, but I will try my best...we are discussing different levels of reality. Yes, Krishna is an authentic Deva. Yes, he is recognized as an avtaara for previous age. And yes, he is separate from the One Supreme Uncreated Parabrahm, Ek Oangkar.</p><p></p><p>No dispute.</p><p></p><p>The problem arises when the multidimensional reality exists that the One actually manifest through the form of Krishna. </p><p></p><p>And it was from this perspective that even Vaishnav Hindu's believe Krishna was an avatar of the Parabrahm. As an avatar he was able to speak from God-consciousness because this was the purpose of him coming into the incarnation. If he didn't speak from God-realization (which was not complete as Guruji has the complete God-realization and is only being who merged with the nirgun and sargun aspects of the Oneness), then Krishna would not be an avatar but a human prophet. </p><p></p><p>Gurbani doesn't say he was a human prophet. It says he was an avatar, an incarnation of the God. Does this mean he is equal to the Ek Oangkar? No. But it means the Ek Oangkar was manifest in him. And in the condition of being merged, in that superconscious samadhi state of realization, yes, he was God as you or I can be God if we ever achieve that merging. Look what Gurbani says:</p><p></p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple">ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਗਿਆਨੀ ਆਪਿ ਨਿਰੰਕਾਰੁ ॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple">breham giaanee aap nirankaar ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple">The God-conscious being is himself the Formless Lord. </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple">ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਗਿਆਨੀ ਕੀ ਸੋਭਾ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਗਿਆਨੀ ਬਨੀ ॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple">breham giaanee kee sobhaa breham giaanee banee ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple">The glory of the God-conscious being belongs to the God-conscious being alone. </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple">ਨਾਨਕ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਗਿਆਨੀ ਸਰਬ ਕਾ ਧਨੀ ॥੮॥੮॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple">naanak breham giaanee sarab kaa dhhanee ||8||8||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple">O Nanak, the God-conscious being is the Lord of all. ||8||8||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple">~SGGS Ji p. 274</span></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Indigo">ਬੈਸਨੋ ਸੋ ਜਿਸੁ ਊਪਰਿ ਸੁਪ੍ਰਸੰਨ ॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Indigo"><strong>baisano</strong> so jis oopar suprasann ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Indigo">The true Vaishnaav, the devotee of Vishnu, is the one with whom God is thoroughly pleased. </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Indigo"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Indigo">ਬਿਸਨ ਕੀ ਮਾਇਆ ਤੇ ਹੋਇ ਭਿੰਨ ॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Indigo">bisan kee maaeiaa thae hoe bhinn ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Indigo">He dwells apart from Maya. </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Indigo"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Indigo">ਕਰਮ ਕਰਤ ਹੋਵੈ ਨਿਹਕਰਮ ॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Indigo">karam karath hovai nihakaram ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Indigo">Performing good deeds, he does not seek rewards. </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Indigo"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Indigo">ਤਿਸੁ ਬੈਸਨੋ ਕਾ ਨਿਰਮਲ ਧਰਮ ॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Indigo">this baisano kaa niramal dhharam ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Indigo">Spotlessly pure is the religion of such a Vaishnaav; </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Indigo"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Indigo">ਕਾਹੂ ਫਲ ਕੀ ਇਛਾ ਨਹੀ ਬਾਛੈ ॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Indigo">kaahoo fal kee eishhaa nehee baashhai ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Indigo">he has no desire for the fruits of his labors. </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Indigo"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Indigo">ਕੇਵਲ ਭਗਤਿ ਕੀਰਤਨ ਸੰਗਿ ਰਾਚੈ ॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Indigo">kaeval bhagath keerathan sang raachai ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Indigo">He is absorbed in devotional worship and the singing of Kirtan, the songs of the Lord's Glory. </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Indigo"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Indigo">ਮਨ ਤਨ ਅੰਤਰਿ ਸਿਮਰਨ ਗੋਪਾਲ ॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Indigo">man than anthar simaran gopaal ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Indigo">Within his mind and body, he meditates in remembrance on the Lord of the Universe. </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Indigo"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Indigo">ਸਭ ਊਪਰਿ ਹੋਵਤ ਕਿਰਪਾਲ ॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Indigo">sabh oopar hovath kirapaal ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Indigo">He is kind to all creatures. </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Indigo"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Indigo">ਆਪਿ ਦ੍ਰਿੜੈ ਅਵਰਹ ਨਾਮੁ ਜਪਾਵੈ ॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Indigo">aap dhrirrai avareh naam japaavai ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Indigo">He holds fast to the Naam, and inspires others to chant it. </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Indigo"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Indigo">ਨਾਨਕ ਓਹੁ ਬੈਸਨੋ ਪਰਮ ਗਤਿ ਪਾਵੈ ॥੨॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Indigo">naanak ouhu baisano param gath paavai ||2||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Indigo">O Nanak, such a Vaishnaav obtains the supreme status. ||2|| </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Indigo">~SGGS Ji p. 274</span></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue">ਸਿਮ੍ਰਿਤਿ ਸਾਸਤ੍ਰ ਬੇਦ ਪੁਰਾਣ ॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue">simrith saasathr baedh puraan ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue">The Simritees, Shaastras, Vedas and Puraanas </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue">ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਕਾ ਕਰਹਿ ਵਖਿਆਣ ॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue"><strong>paarabreham</strong> kaa karehi vakhiaan ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue">expound upon the Supreme Lord God. </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue">ਜੋਗੀ ਜਤੀ ਬੈਸਨੋ ਰਾਮਦਾਸ ॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue">jogee jathee <strong>baisano</strong> raamadhaas ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue">The Yogis, celibates, Vaishnavs and followers of Ram Das </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue">ਮਿਤਿ ਨਾਹੀ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਅਬਿਨਾਸ ॥੨॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue">mith naahee breham abinaas ||2||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue">cannot find the limits of the Eternal Lord God. ||2|| </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue">ਕਰਣ ਪਲਾਹ ਕਰਹਿ ਸਿਵ ਦੇਵ ॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue">karan palaah karehi siv dhaev ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue">Shiva and the gods lament and moan,</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue">ਤਿਲੁ ਨਹੀ ਬੂਝਹਿ ਅਲਖ ਅਭੇਵ ॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue">thil nehee boojhehi alakh abhaev ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue">but they do not understand even a tiny bit of the unseen and unknown Lord. </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue">ਪ੍ਰੇਮ ਭਗਤਿ ਜਿਸੁ ਆਪੇ ਦੇਇ ॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue">praem bhagath jis aapae dhaee ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue">One whom the Lord Himself blesses with loving devotional worship, </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue">ਜਗ ਮਹਿ ਵਿਰਲੇ ਕੇਈ ਕੇਇ ॥੩॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue">jag mehi viralae kaeee kaee ||3||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue">is very rare in this world. ||3||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue">~SGGS Ji p. 199</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue"></span></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">ਬ੍ਰਹਮਾ ਬਿਸਨੁ ਮਹੇਸੁ ਸਰੇਸਟ ਨਾਮਿ ਰਤੇ ਵੀਚਾਰੀ ॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">brehamaa <strong>bisan</strong> mehaes saraesatt naam rathae veechaaree ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva are exalted, imbued with contemplative meditation on the Naam. </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">ਖਾਣੀ ਬਾਣੀ ਗਗਨ ਪਤਾਲੀ ਜੰਤਾ ਜੋਤਿ ਤੁਮਾਰੀ ॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">khaanee baanee gagan pathaalee janthaa joth thumaaree ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">The sources of creation, speech, the heavens and the underworld, all beings and creatures, are infused with Your Light. </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">ਸਭਿ ਸੁਖ ਮੁਕਤਿ ਨਾਮ ਧੁਨਿ ਬਾਣੀ ਸਚੁ ਨਾਮੁ ਉਰ ਧਾਰੀ ॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">sabh sukh mukath naam dhhun baanee sach naam our dhhaaree ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">All comforts and liberation are found in the Naam, and the vibrations of the Guru's Bani; I have enshrined the True Name within my heart. </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">ਨਾਮ ਬਿਨਾ ਨਹੀ ਛੂਟਸਿ ਨਾਨਕ ਸਾਚੀ ਤਰੁ ਤੂ ਤਾਰੀ ॥੯॥੭॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">naam binaa nehee shhoottas naanak saachee thar thoo thaaree ||9||7||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">Without the Naam, no one is saved; O Nanak, with the Truth, cross over to the other side. ||9||7||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">~SGGS Ji p. 1013</span></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkRed">ਤੁਧੁ ਧਿਆਇਨ੍ਹ੍ਹਿ ਬੇਦ ਕਤੇਬਾ ਸਣੁ ਖੜੇ ॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkRed">thudhh dhhiaaeinih baedh kathaebaa san kharrae ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkRed">The followers of the Vedas, the Bible and the Koran, standing at Your Door, meditate on You.</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkRed"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkRed">ਗਣਤੀ ਗਣੀ ਨ ਜਾਇ ਤੇਰੈ ਦਰਿ ਪੜੇ ॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkRed">ganathee ganee n jaae thaerai dhar parrae ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkRed">Uncounted are those who fall at Your Door. </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkRed"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkRed">ਬ੍ਰਹਮੇ ਤੁਧੁ ਧਿਆਇਨ੍ਹ੍ਹਿ ਇੰਦ੍ਰ ਇੰਦ੍ਰਾਸਣਾ ॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkRed">brehamae thudhh dhhiaaeinih eindhr eindhraasanaa ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkRed">Brahma meditates on You, as does Indra on his throne. </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkRed"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkRed">ਸੰਕਰ ਬਿਸਨ ਅਵਤਾਰ ਹਰਿ ਜਸੁ ਮੁਖਿ ਭਣਾ ॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkRed">sankar bisan avathaar har jas mukh bhanaa ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkRed">Shiva and Vishnu, and their incarnations, chant the Lord's Praise with their mouths, </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkRed"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkRed">ਪੀਰ ਪਿਕਾਬਰ ਸੇਖ ਮਸਾਇਕ ਅਉਲੀਏ ॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkRed">peer pikaabar saekh masaaeik aouleeeae ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkRed">as do the Pirs, the spiritual teachers, the prophets and the Shaykhs, the silent sages and the seers. </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkRed"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkRed">ਓਤਿ ਪੋਤਿ ਨਿਰੰਕਾਰ ਘਟਿ ਘਟਿ ਮਉਲੀਏ ॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkRed">outh poth nirankaar ghatt ghatt mouleeeae ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkRed">Through and through, the Formless Lord is woven into each and every heart.</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkRed">~SGGS Ji p. 518</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkRed"></span></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>So, what is an avatar? </p><p></p><p>What does this mean theologically and how does it relate to Sikhism? And you will see even in Hinduism it is believed the primary 3 Devas are below the Parabrahm, but that all ultimately come from this unknowable Oneness. And they manifest the Oneness into the sansaaric world.</p><p></p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Indigo">ਗਾਵਹਿ ਕਪਿਲਾਦਿ ਆਦਿ ਜੋਗੇਸੁਰ ਅਪਰੰਪਰ ਅਵਤਾਰ ਵਰੋ ॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Indigo">gaavehi kapilaadh aadh jogaesur aparanpar avathaar varo ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Indigo">Kapila and the other Yogis sing of Guru Nanak. He is the Avataar, the Incarnation of the Infinite Lord.</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Indigo">~SGGS Ji p. 1389</span></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Now to fully understand Hindu philosophy, as this is a point of contention where it has a parallel in Gurbani, and to make the concept more clear let me show passage which explains the <strong>Parabrahm</strong> and how it relates to the <strong>Ek Oangkar</strong>.</p><p></p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkGreen">ਅਗਨਿ ਪਾਣੀ ਜੀਉ ਜੋਤਿ ਤੁਮਾਰੀ ਸੁੰਨੇ ਕਲਾ ਰਹਾਇਦਾ ॥੨॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkGreen">agan paanee jeeo joth thumaaree sunnae kalaa rehaaeidhaa ||2||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkGreen">Your Light pervades fire, water and souls; Your Power rests in the Primal Void. ||2|| </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkGreen"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkGreen">ਸੁੰਨਹੁ ਬ੍ਰਹਮਾ ਬਿਸਨੁ ਮਹੇਸੁ ਉਪਾਏ ॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkGreen">sunnahu brehamaa bisan mehaes oupaaeae ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkGreen">From this Primal Void, Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva issued forth. </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkGreen"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkGreen">ਸੁੰਨੇ ਵਰਤੇ ਜੁਗ ਸਬਾਏ ॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkGreen">sunnae varathae jug sabaaeae ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkGreen">This Primal Void is pervasive throughout all the ages.</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkGreen">~SGGS Ji p. 1037</span></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>"All scriptures of Hinduism say that Parabrahm is the supreme. They also agree that Brahma, Vishnu and Mahesh are different aspects of Parabrahm."</p><p></p><p>So just to attack the theology of an avatar as automatically being less than the God overlooks the role and definition of an avatar, both in Vaishnav philosophy...and in Gurbani because there is a clear relationship in the definitions. The fundamental difference is Vaishnav schools worship Vishnu as the Supreme Lord, and Gurbani states the Parabrahm is the originator and thus supreme. Nevertheless, Gurbani reconizes that Vishnu emanates from the Parabrahm and posits Vishnu's avatars as the same lineage as Guru Nanak.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkGreen">ਭਗਤ ਹੇਤਿ ਮਾਰਿਓ ਹਰਨਾਖਸੁ <strong>ਨਰਸਿੰਘ</strong> ਰੂਪ ਹੋਇ ਦੇਹ ਧਰਿਓ ॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkGreen">bhagath haeth maariou haranaakhas <strong>narasingh roop</strong> hoe dhaeh dhhariou ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkGreen">For the sake of His devotee Prahlaad, God assumed the <strong>form of the man-lion</strong>, and killed Harnaakhash. </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkGreen"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkGreen">ਨਾਮਾ ਕਹੈ ਭਗਤਿ ਬਸਿ ਕੇਸਵ ਅਜਹੂੰ ਬਲਿ ਕੇ ਦੁਆਰ ਖਰੋ ॥੪॥੧॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkGreen">naamaa kehai bhagath bas kaesav ajehoon bal kae dhuaar kharo ||4||1||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkGreen">Says Naam Dayv, the beautiful-haired Lord is in the power of His devotees; He is standing at Balraja's door, even now! ||4||1||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkGreen">~SGGS Ji p. 1105</span></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue">ਸਤਜੁਗਿ ਤੈ ਮਾਣਿਓ ਛਲਿਓ ਬਲਿ ਬਾਵਨ ਭਾਇਓ ॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue">sathajug thai maaniou shhaliou bal <strong>baavan</strong> bhaaeiou ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue">In the Golden Age of Sat Yuga, You were pleased to deceive Baal the king, in the <strong>form of a dwarf</strong>. </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue">ਤ੍ਰੇਤੈ ਤੈ ਮਾਣਿਓ ਰਾਮੁ ਰਘੁਵੰਸੁ ਕਹਾਇਓ ॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue">thraethai thai maaniou <strong>raam raghuvans</strong> kehaaeiou ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue">In the Silver Age of Traytaa Yuga, You were called <strong>Raam of the Raghu dynasty</strong>. </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue">ਦੁਆਪੁਰਿ ਕ੍ਰਿਸਨ ਮੁਰਾਰਿ ਕੰਸੁ ਕਿਰਤਾਰਥੁ ਕੀਓ ॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue">dhuaapur<strong> kirasan</strong> muraar kans kirathaarathh keeou ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue">In the Brass Age of Dwaapur Yuga, You were <strong>Krishna</strong>; You killed Mur the demon and saved Kans. </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue">ਉਗ੍ਰਸੈਣ ਕਉ ਰਾਜੁ ਅਭੈ ਭਗਤਹ ਜਨ ਦੀਓ ॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue">ougrasain ko raaj abhai bhagatheh jan dheeou ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue">You blessed Ugrasain with a kingdom, and You blessed Your humble devotees with fearlessness. </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue">ਕਲਿਜੁਗਿ ਪ੍ਰਮਾਣੁ ਨਾਨਕ ਗੁਰੁ ਅੰਗਦੁ ਅਮਰੁ ਕਹਾਇਓ ॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue">kalijug pramaan naanak gur angadh amar kehaaeiou ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue">In the Iron Age, the Dark Age of<strong> Kali Yuga, You are known and accepted as Guru Nanak, Guru Angad and Guru Amar Das. </strong></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue">ਸ੍ਰੀ ਗੁਰੂ ਰਾਜੁ ਅਬਿਚਲੁ ਅਟਲੁ ਆਦਿ ਪੁਰਖਿ ਫੁਰਮਾਇਓ ॥੭॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue">sree guroo raaj abichal attal aadh purakh furamaaeiou ||7||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue">The sovereign rule of the Great Guru is unchanging and permanent, according the Command of the Primal Lord God. ||7||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue">~SGGS Ji p. 1390</span></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">ਅਚੁਤ ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਪਰਮੇਸੁਰ ਅੰਤਰਜਾਮੀ ॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">achuth paarabreham paramaesur antharajaamee ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">The Supreme Lord God is imperishable, the Transcendent Lord, the Inner-knower, the Searcher of hearts.</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">ਮਧੁਸੂਦਨ ਦਾਮੋਦਰ ਸੁਆਮੀ ॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">madhhusoodhan dhaamodhar suaamee ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">He is the Slayer of demons, our Supreme Lord and Master. </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">ਰਿਖੀਕੇਸ ਗੋਵਰਧਨ ਧਾਰੀ ਮੁਰਲੀ ਮਨੋਹਰ ਹਰਿ ਰੰਗਾ ॥੧॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">rikheekaes govaradhhan dhhaaree muralee manohar har rangaa ||1||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">The Supreme Rishi, the Master of the sensory organs, the uplifter of mountains, the joyful Lord playing His enticing flute. ||1|| </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">ਮੋਹਨ ਮਾਧਵ <strong>ਕ੍ਰਿਸ੍ਨ</strong> ਮੁਰਾਰੇ ॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">mohan maadhhav <strong>kirasa</strong> muraarae ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">The Enticer of Hearts, the Lord of wealth,<strong> Krishna</strong>, the Enemy of ego. </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">ਜਗਦੀਸੁਰ ਹਰਿ ਜੀਉ ਅਸੁਰ ਸੰਘਾਰੇ ॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">jagadheesur har jeeo asur sanghaarae ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">The Lord of the Universe, the Dear Lord, the Destroyer of demons. </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">ਜਗਜੀਵਨ ਅਬਿਨਾਸੀ ਠਾਕੁਰ ਘਟ ਘਟ ਵਾਸੀ ਹੈ ਸੰਗਾ ॥੨॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">jagajeevan abinaasee thaakur ghatt ghatt vaasee hai sangaa ||2||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">The Life of the World, our eternal and ever-stable Lord and Master dwells within each and every heart, and is always with us. ||2|| </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">ਧਰਣੀਧਰ ਈਸ ਨਰਸਿੰਘ ਨਾਰਾਇਣ ॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">dhharaneedhhar ees<strong> narasingh</strong> naaraaein ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">The Support of the Earth, <strong>the man-lion</strong>, the Supreme Lord God.</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">~SGGS Ji p. 1082</span></p><p></p><p></p><p> Now you can continue to reject this philosophy, but you see it's a bit tricky because the avatar<em> is</em> less than the Parabrahm... but is like the speaking voice of silent God in sansaara. And in a state of God-consciousness the avatar is merged and thus consciousness is God.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple">ਕਰਮ ਧਰਮ ਨੇਮ ਬ੍ਰਤ ਪੂਜਾ ॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple">karam dhharam naem brath poojaa ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple">The karma of good actions, the Dharma of righteous living, religious rituals, fasts and worship </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple">ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਬਿਨੁ ਜਾਨੁ ਨ ਦੂਜਾ ॥੨॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple"><strong>paarabreham</strong> bin jaan n dhoojaa ||2||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple">- practice these, but do not know any other than the Supreme Lord God. ||2|| </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple">ਤਾ ਕੀ ਪੂਰਨ ਹੋਈ ਘਾਲ ॥ਜਾ ਕੀ ਪ੍ਰੀਤਿ ਅਪੁਨੇ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਨਾਲਿ ॥੩॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple">thaa kee pooran hoee ghaal || jaa kee preeth apunae prabh naal ||3||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple">Those who place their love in God - their works are brought to fruition. ||3|| </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple">ਸੋ ਬੈਸਨੋ ਹੈ ਅਪਰ ਅਪਾਰੁ ॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple">so baisano hai apar apaar ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple">Infinitely invaluable is that Vaishnaav, that worshipper of Vishnu, </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple">ਕਹੁ ਨਾਨਕ ਜਿਨਿ ਤਜੇ ਬਿਕਾਰ ॥੪॥੯੬॥੧੬੫॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple">kahu naanak jin thajae bikaar ||4||96||165||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple">says Nanak, who has renounced corruption. ||4||96||165||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple">~SGGS Ji p. 199</span></p><p></p><p></p><p>This shabad is explaining the God-consciousness of the Satguru's Jyot which is the Light of Vaheguru. Sikhs are not enjoined to make idols out of the Guru's forms. So we do not say the created physical form of Guru is God. This would be illogical and impossible. And this is what the Sikh Rehat Maryada is saying. However, that tricky part about multidimensional realities, when the Satguru is merged in God-consciousness, He is God. And you can read for yourself, this is what Gurbani says. If there was no Oneness in merging with the Divine nature of God, there would be no Satguru. Because a Satguru cannot be an ordinary man. A Satguru takes on the burden of the karam of the world and carries across to mukti, liberation. How could Satguru give Divine consciousness if He didn't have it? No one can be liberated from a mere prophet. Gurbani could not have the Shabad-Jyot Divine Presence, know people's souls and karam, would have no power of liberation at all... unless Guruji is merged in the Divine consciousness and speaks to us as a Superconscious being. No one could write the Gurbani which as I'm trying to show, has aspects where it describes even the most advanced physics of our day. It could not do this if it was not written in God-consciousness. Because only God knows Himself.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="color: DarkGreen"><p style="margin-left: 20px">ਜਾ ਕਰਤਾ ਸਿਰਠੀ ਕਉ ਸਾਜੇ ਆਪੇ ਜਾਣੈ ਸੋਈ ॥ </p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkGreen">jaa karathaa sirathee ko saajae aapae jaanai soee ||</p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkGreen">The Creator who created this creation-only He Himself knows. </p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkGreen"></p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkGreen">ਕਿਵ ਕਰਿ ਆਖਾ ਕਿਵ ਸਾਲਾਹੀ ਕਿਉ ਵਰਨੀ ਕਿਵ ਜਾਣਾ ॥ </p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkGreen">kiv kar aakhaa kiv saalaahee kio varanee kiv jaanaa ||</p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkGreen">How can we speak of Him? How can we praise Him? How can we describe Him? How can we know Him?</p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkGreen">~SGGS Ji p. 4</p><p></span></p><p></p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple">ਹਕੁ ਸਚੁ ਖਾਲਕੁ ਖਲਕ ਮਿਆਨੇ ਸਿਆਮ ਮੂਰਤਿ ਨਾਹਿ ॥੨॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple">hak sach khaalak khalak miaanae siaam moorath naahi ||2||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple">The True Creator Lord is diffused into His creation; He is not just the dark-skinned Krishna of legends. ||2|| </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple">ਅਸਮਾਨ *ਿਮ੍ਯ੍ਯਾਨੇ ਲਹੰਗ ਦਰੀਆ ਗੁਸਲ ਕਰਦਨ ਬੂਦ ॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple">asamaan miyaanae lehang dhareeaa gusal karadhan boodh ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple">Through the Tenth Gate, the stream of nectar flows; take your bath in this.</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple">~SGGS Ji p. 727</span></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">ਚੰਦਂ*ੀ ਹਜਾਰ ਆਲਮ ਏਕਲ ਖਾਨਾਂ ॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">chandhanaee hajaar aalam eaekal khaanaan ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">You alone are the Lord of so many thousands of worlds. </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">ਹਮ ਚਿਨੀ ਪਾਤਿਸਾਹ ਸਾਂਵਲੇ ਬਰਨਾਂ ॥੩॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">ham chinee paathisaah saanvalae baranaan ||3||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">You are my Lord King, like the dark-skinned Krishna. ||3||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">ਅਸਪਤਿ ਗਜਪਤਿ ਨਰਹ ਨਰਿੰਦ ॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">asapath gajapath nareh narindh ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">You are the Lord of the sun, Lord Indra and Lord Brahma, the King of men. </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">ਨਾਮੇ ਕੇ ਸ੍ਵਾਮੀ ਮੀਰ ਮੁਕੰਦ ॥੪॥੨॥੩॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">naamae kae svaamee meer mukandh ||4||2||3||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">You are the Lord and Master of Naam Dayv, the King, the Liberator of all. ||4||2||3||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">~SGGS Ji p. 727</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy"></span></p><p></p><p></p><p>~Bhul chak maaf karni ji</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Harjas Kaur Khalsa, post: 78936, member: 2125"] Gurbani is the sum total of the Vedas is a reference to the tuk, [INDENT][COLOR="Blue"]ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਨਾਦੰ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਵੇਦੰ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਰਹਿਆ ਸਮਾਈ ॥ guramukh naadhan guramukh vaedhan guramukh rehiaa samaaee || The Guru's Word is the Sound-current of the Naad; the Guru's Word is the Wisdom of the Vedas; the Guru's Word is all-pervading.[/COLOR][/INDENT] I did not state the Bani is a function of the Vedas. I said all the wisdom of the Vedas (sum total) is in the Gurbani. A radically different meaning from what you allege. Gurbani is not entirely independant or would not contain bhagat and bhatt bani. It is independant in that Guru has achieved understanding which no other religion has ever had. But all the wisdom of the past belongs to Guru. Guru had Mastery of knowledge of Hinduism, Islam and Christianity else how could he have corrected it? I quoted several times where it says Guru's Word is the wisdom of the Vedas. Where it says in compassion the God created Krishna for the lost people. Where it says Krishna was an avatar for the Dwapara yuga. Where it says millions are incarnations of the God. I have read Bhagavad-Gita, and I understand that Krishna is speaking from God-consciousness. When Gurbani says that even you will merge into the God what do you think this means? That God will ever be One and you will always be separate? Or do you believe the Gurbani which states we will find our true nature which is the One? It's not like a competition between gods who is greater or lesser, that's duality. We know Krishna is created being. But we also know the God manifested through him. So why is this objectionable when it is what Gurbani teaches? Krishna is not a deva we worship or make altars to, which is what the Rehat Maryada is talking about. We don't need Krishna, we have Guru. But, we shouldn't say disrespectful things about Lord Krishna or hurt sentiments of Hindu people. Since Gurbani doesn't say Krishna is fake, why should we? [INDENT][COLOR="Blue"]ਆਪੇ ਗੋਪੀ ਕਾਨੁ ਹੈ ਪਿਆਰਾ ਬਨਿ ਆਪੇ ਗਊ ਚਰਾਹਾ ॥ aapae gopee kaan hai piaaraa ban aapae goo charaahaa || The Beloved Himself is the milk-maid and Krishna; He Himself herds the cows in the woods. ਆਪੇ ਸਾਵਲ ਸੁੰਦਰਾ ਪਿਆਰਾ ਆਪੇ ਵੰਸੁ ਵਜਾਹਾ ॥ aapae saaval sundharaa piaaraa aapae vans vajaahaa || The Beloved Himself is the blue-skinned, handsome one; He Himself plays on His flute. ਕੁਵਲੀਆ ਪੀੜੁ ਆਪਿ ਮਰਾਇਦਾ ਪਿਆਰਾ ਕਰਿ ਬਾਲਕ ਰੂਪਿ ਪਚਾਹਾ ॥੨॥ kuvaleeaa peerr aap maraaeidhaa piaaraa kar baalak roop pachaahaa ||2|| The Beloved Himself took the form of a child, and destroyed Kuwalia-peer, the mad elephant. ||2|| ਆਪਿ ਅਖਾੜਾ ਪਾਇਦਾ ਪਿਆਰਾ ਕਰਿ ਵੇਖੈ ਆਪਿ ਚੋਜਾਹਾ ॥ aap akhaarraa paaeidhaa piaaraa kar vaekhai aap chojaahaa || The Beloved Himself sets the stage; He performs the plays, and He Himself watches them. ਕਰਿ ਬਾਲਕ ਰੂਪ ਉਪਾਇਦਾ ਪਿਆਰਾ ਚੰਡੂਰੁ ਕੰਸੁ ਕੇਸੁ ਮਾਰਾਹਾ ॥ kar baalak roop oupaaeidhaa piaaraa chanddoor kans kaes maaraahaa || The Beloved Himself assumed the form of the child, and killed the demons Chandoor, Kansa and Kaysee. ਆਪੇ ਹੀ ਬਲੁ ਆਪਿ ਹੈ ਪਿਆਰਾ ਬਲੁ ਭੰਨੈ ਮੂਰਖ ਮੁਗਧਾਹਾ ॥੩॥ aapae hee bal aap hai piaaraa bal bhannai moorakh mugadhhaahaa ||3|| The Beloved Himself, by Himself, is the embodiment of power; He shatters the power of the fools and idiots. ||3|| ਸਭੁ ਆਪੇ ਜਗਤੁ ਉਪਾਇਦਾ ਪਿਆਰਾ ਵਸਿ ਆਪੇ ਜੁਗਤਿ ਹਥਾਹਾ ॥ sabh aapae jagath oupaaeidhaa piaaraa vas aapae jugath hathhaahaa || The Beloved Himself created the whole world. In His hands He holds the power of the ages. ~SGGS Ji p. 606[/COLOR][/INDENT] This part you don't understand. We are speaking about multiple levels of reality. It is true that a person, for example, could never be a god. Why? Because we're finite, created creatures. How can the created be the uncreated? But on another level of reality, every person is a manifestation of the indivisible One. [INDENT][COLOR="Purple"]ਜਿਸ ਤੇ ਉਪਜੈ ਤਿਸ ਤੇ ਬਿਨਸੈ ਘਟਿ ਘਟਿ ਸਚੁ ਭਰਪੂਰਿ ॥ jis thae oupajai this thae binasai ghatt ghatt sach bharapoor || We shall merge into the One from whom we came. The True One is pervading each and every heart. ਆਪੇ ਮੇਲਿ ਮਿਲਾਵਹੀ ਸਾਚੈ ਮਹਲਿ ਹਦੂਰਿ ॥੨॥ aapae mael milaavehee saachai mehal hadhoor ||2|| He Himself unites us in Union with Himself; the True Mansion of His Presence is close at hand. || ~SGGS Ji p. 20[/COLOR][/INDENT] The God is pervading in everyone. So God is already present. If someone (not even have to be a famous avatar) speaks from authentic God-consciousness, then the small I is not speaking, but the Lord is speaking because the consciousness is merged. Don't you realize this is how Guru (the same Jyot in all forms) was able to bring the shabad to us? Otherwise Gurbani would only be words spoken by some created beings and so prone to error. But because Guru was God-realized and merged in the Divine consciousness the Gurbani is speaking transcendental and timeless Truth. How else could it be one Jyot in 10 bodies and in 11th Shabad Guru Ji? Unless this was God-consciousness. Or are you saying the God does not speak through Guru? [INDENT][COLOR="DarkGreen"]ਪ੍ਰੀਤਿ ਲਗੀ ਤਿਸੁ ਸਚ ਸਿਉ ਮਰੈ ਨ ਆਵੈ ਜਾਇ ॥ preeth lagee this sach sio marai n aavai jaae || I have fallen in love with the True Lord. He does not die, He does not come and go. ਨਾ ਵੇਛੋੜਿਆ ਵਿਛੁੜੈ ਸਭ ਮਹਿ ਰਹਿਆ ਸਮਾਇ ॥ naa vaeshhorriaa vishhurrai sabh mehi rehiaa samaae || In separation, He is not separated from us; He is pervading and permeating amongst all. ~SGGS Ji p. 46[/COLOR][/INDENT] Pk70 complains I only post single tuk and not entire shabad, And you complain I post too much Gurbani. Hard to please everyone. Don't be too harsh. It's hard to read too much Gurbani. You will miss me when I'm gone. :) Since when did entire Sikh community ever have the same outlook on anything? That is truly wishful thinking. As I'm trying to explain, and I realize it is a difficult concept, but I will try my best...we are discussing different levels of reality. Yes, Krishna is an authentic Deva. Yes, he is recognized as an avtaara for previous age. And yes, he is separate from the One Supreme Uncreated Parabrahm, Ek Oangkar. No dispute. The problem arises when the multidimensional reality exists that the One actually manifest through the form of Krishna. And it was from this perspective that even Vaishnav Hindu's believe Krishna was an avatar of the Parabrahm. As an avatar he was able to speak from God-consciousness because this was the purpose of him coming into the incarnation. If he didn't speak from God-realization (which was not complete as Guruji has the complete God-realization and is only being who merged with the nirgun and sargun aspects of the Oneness), then Krishna would not be an avatar but a human prophet. Gurbani doesn't say he was a human prophet. It says he was an avatar, an incarnation of the God. Does this mean he is equal to the Ek Oangkar? No. But it means the Ek Oangkar was manifest in him. And in the condition of being merged, in that superconscious samadhi state of realization, yes, he was God as you or I can be God if we ever achieve that merging. Look what Gurbani says: [INDENT][COLOR="Purple"]ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਗਿਆਨੀ ਆਪਿ ਨਿਰੰਕਾਰੁ ॥ breham giaanee aap nirankaar || The God-conscious being is himself the Formless Lord. ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਗਿਆਨੀ ਕੀ ਸੋਭਾ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਗਿਆਨੀ ਬਨੀ ॥ breham giaanee kee sobhaa breham giaanee banee || The glory of the God-conscious being belongs to the God-conscious being alone. ਨਾਨਕ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਗਿਆਨੀ ਸਰਬ ਕਾ ਧਨੀ ॥੮॥੮॥ naanak breham giaanee sarab kaa dhhanee ||8||8|| O Nanak, the God-conscious being is the Lord of all. ||8||8|| ~SGGS Ji p. 274[/COLOR][/INDENT] [INDENT][COLOR="Indigo"]ਬੈਸਨੋ ਸੋ ਜਿਸੁ ਊਪਰਿ ਸੁਪ੍ਰਸੰਨ ॥ [B]baisano[/B] so jis oopar suprasann || The true Vaishnaav, the devotee of Vishnu, is the one with whom God is thoroughly pleased. ਬਿਸਨ ਕੀ ਮਾਇਆ ਤੇ ਹੋਇ ਭਿੰਨ ॥ bisan kee maaeiaa thae hoe bhinn || He dwells apart from Maya. ਕਰਮ ਕਰਤ ਹੋਵੈ ਨਿਹਕਰਮ ॥ karam karath hovai nihakaram || Performing good deeds, he does not seek rewards. ਤਿਸੁ ਬੈਸਨੋ ਕਾ ਨਿਰਮਲ ਧਰਮ ॥ this baisano kaa niramal dhharam || Spotlessly pure is the religion of such a Vaishnaav; ਕਾਹੂ ਫਲ ਕੀ ਇਛਾ ਨਹੀ ਬਾਛੈ ॥ kaahoo fal kee eishhaa nehee baashhai || he has no desire for the fruits of his labors. ਕੇਵਲ ਭਗਤਿ ਕੀਰਤਨ ਸੰਗਿ ਰਾਚੈ ॥ kaeval bhagath keerathan sang raachai || He is absorbed in devotional worship and the singing of Kirtan, the songs of the Lord's Glory. ਮਨ ਤਨ ਅੰਤਰਿ ਸਿਮਰਨ ਗੋਪਾਲ ॥ man than anthar simaran gopaal || Within his mind and body, he meditates in remembrance on the Lord of the Universe. ਸਭ ਊਪਰਿ ਹੋਵਤ ਕਿਰਪਾਲ ॥ sabh oopar hovath kirapaal || He is kind to all creatures. ਆਪਿ ਦ੍ਰਿੜੈ ਅਵਰਹ ਨਾਮੁ ਜਪਾਵੈ ॥ aap dhrirrai avareh naam japaavai || He holds fast to the Naam, and inspires others to chant it. ਨਾਨਕ ਓਹੁ ਬੈਸਨੋ ਪਰਮ ਗਤਿ ਪਾਵੈ ॥੨॥ naanak ouhu baisano param gath paavai ||2|| O Nanak, such a Vaishnaav obtains the supreme status. ||2|| ~SGGS Ji p. 274[/COLOR][/INDENT] [INDENT][COLOR="Blue"]ਸਿਮ੍ਰਿਤਿ ਸਾਸਤ੍ਰ ਬੇਦ ਪੁਰਾਣ ॥ simrith saasathr baedh puraan || The Simritees, Shaastras, Vedas and Puraanas ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਕਾ ਕਰਹਿ ਵਖਿਆਣ ॥ [B]paarabreham[/B] kaa karehi vakhiaan || expound upon the Supreme Lord God. ਜੋਗੀ ਜਤੀ ਬੈਸਨੋ ਰਾਮਦਾਸ ॥ jogee jathee [B]baisano[/B] raamadhaas || The Yogis, celibates, Vaishnavs and followers of Ram Das ਮਿਤਿ ਨਾਹੀ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਅਬਿਨਾਸ ॥੨॥ mith naahee breham abinaas ||2|| cannot find the limits of the Eternal Lord God. ||2|| ਕਰਣ ਪਲਾਹ ਕਰਹਿ ਸਿਵ ਦੇਵ ॥ karan palaah karehi siv dhaev || Shiva and the gods lament and moan, ਤਿਲੁ ਨਹੀ ਬੂਝਹਿ ਅਲਖ ਅਭੇਵ ॥ thil nehee boojhehi alakh abhaev || but they do not understand even a tiny bit of the unseen and unknown Lord. ਪ੍ਰੇਮ ਭਗਤਿ ਜਿਸੁ ਆਪੇ ਦੇਇ ॥ praem bhagath jis aapae dhaee || One whom the Lord Himself blesses with loving devotional worship, ਜਗ ਮਹਿ ਵਿਰਲੇ ਕੇਈ ਕੇਇ ॥੩॥ jag mehi viralae kaeee kaee ||3|| is very rare in this world. ||3|| ~SGGS Ji p. 199 [/COLOR][/INDENT] [INDENT][COLOR="Navy"]ਬ੍ਰਹਮਾ ਬਿਸਨੁ ਮਹੇਸੁ ਸਰੇਸਟ ਨਾਮਿ ਰਤੇ ਵੀਚਾਰੀ ॥ brehamaa [B]bisan[/B] mehaes saraesatt naam rathae veechaaree || Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva are exalted, imbued with contemplative meditation on the Naam. ਖਾਣੀ ਬਾਣੀ ਗਗਨ ਪਤਾਲੀ ਜੰਤਾ ਜੋਤਿ ਤੁਮਾਰੀ ॥ khaanee baanee gagan pathaalee janthaa joth thumaaree || The sources of creation, speech, the heavens and the underworld, all beings and creatures, are infused with Your Light. ਸਭਿ ਸੁਖ ਮੁਕਤਿ ਨਾਮ ਧੁਨਿ ਬਾਣੀ ਸਚੁ ਨਾਮੁ ਉਰ ਧਾਰੀ ॥ sabh sukh mukath naam dhhun baanee sach naam our dhhaaree || All comforts and liberation are found in the Naam, and the vibrations of the Guru's Bani; I have enshrined the True Name within my heart. ਨਾਮ ਬਿਨਾ ਨਹੀ ਛੂਟਸਿ ਨਾਨਕ ਸਾਚੀ ਤਰੁ ਤੂ ਤਾਰੀ ॥੯॥੭॥ naam binaa nehee shhoottas naanak saachee thar thoo thaaree ||9||7|| Without the Naam, no one is saved; O Nanak, with the Truth, cross over to the other side. ||9||7|| ~SGGS Ji p. 1013[/COLOR][/INDENT] [INDENT][COLOR="DarkRed"]ਤੁਧੁ ਧਿਆਇਨ੍ਹ੍ਹਿ ਬੇਦ ਕਤੇਬਾ ਸਣੁ ਖੜੇ ॥ thudhh dhhiaaeinih baedh kathaebaa san kharrae || The followers of the Vedas, the Bible and the Koran, standing at Your Door, meditate on You. ਗਣਤੀ ਗਣੀ ਨ ਜਾਇ ਤੇਰੈ ਦਰਿ ਪੜੇ ॥ ganathee ganee n jaae thaerai dhar parrae || Uncounted are those who fall at Your Door. ਬ੍ਰਹਮੇ ਤੁਧੁ ਧਿਆਇਨ੍ਹ੍ਹਿ ਇੰਦ੍ਰ ਇੰਦ੍ਰਾਸਣਾ ॥ brehamae thudhh dhhiaaeinih eindhr eindhraasanaa || Brahma meditates on You, as does Indra on his throne. ਸੰਕਰ ਬਿਸਨ ਅਵਤਾਰ ਹਰਿ ਜਸੁ ਮੁਖਿ ਭਣਾ ॥ sankar bisan avathaar har jas mukh bhanaa || Shiva and Vishnu, and their incarnations, chant the Lord's Praise with their mouths, ਪੀਰ ਪਿਕਾਬਰ ਸੇਖ ਮਸਾਇਕ ਅਉਲੀਏ ॥ peer pikaabar saekh masaaeik aouleeeae || as do the Pirs, the spiritual teachers, the prophets and the Shaykhs, the silent sages and the seers. ਓਤਿ ਪੋਤਿ ਨਿਰੰਕਾਰ ਘਟਿ ਘਟਿ ਮਉਲੀਏ ॥ outh poth nirankaar ghatt ghatt mouleeeae || Through and through, the Formless Lord is woven into each and every heart. ~SGGS Ji p. 518 [/COLOR][/INDENT] So, what is an avatar? What does this mean theologically and how does it relate to Sikhism? And you will see even in Hinduism it is believed the primary 3 Devas are below the Parabrahm, but that all ultimately come from this unknowable Oneness. And they manifest the Oneness into the sansaaric world. [INDENT][COLOR="Indigo"]ਗਾਵਹਿ ਕਪਿਲਾਦਿ ਆਦਿ ਜੋਗੇਸੁਰ ਅਪਰੰਪਰ ਅਵਤਾਰ ਵਰੋ ॥ gaavehi kapilaadh aadh jogaesur aparanpar avathaar varo || Kapila and the other Yogis sing of Guru Nanak. He is the Avataar, the Incarnation of the Infinite Lord. ~SGGS Ji p. 1389[/COLOR][/INDENT] Now to fully understand Hindu philosophy, as this is a point of contention where it has a parallel in Gurbani, and to make the concept more clear let me show passage which explains the [B]Parabrahm[/B] and how it relates to the [B]Ek Oangkar[/B]. [INDENT][COLOR="DarkGreen"]ਅਗਨਿ ਪਾਣੀ ਜੀਉ ਜੋਤਿ ਤੁਮਾਰੀ ਸੁੰਨੇ ਕਲਾ ਰਹਾਇਦਾ ॥੨॥ agan paanee jeeo joth thumaaree sunnae kalaa rehaaeidhaa ||2|| Your Light pervades fire, water and souls; Your Power rests in the Primal Void. ||2|| ਸੁੰਨਹੁ ਬ੍ਰਹਮਾ ਬਿਸਨੁ ਮਹੇਸੁ ਉਪਾਏ ॥ sunnahu brehamaa bisan mehaes oupaaeae || From this Primal Void, Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva issued forth. ਸੁੰਨੇ ਵਰਤੇ ਜੁਗ ਸਬਾਏ ॥ sunnae varathae jug sabaaeae || This Primal Void is pervasive throughout all the ages. ~SGGS Ji p. 1037[/COLOR][/INDENT] "All scriptures of Hinduism say that Parabrahm is the supreme. They also agree that Brahma, Vishnu and Mahesh are different aspects of Parabrahm." So just to attack the theology of an avatar as automatically being less than the God overlooks the role and definition of an avatar, both in Vaishnav philosophy...and in Gurbani because there is a clear relationship in the definitions. The fundamental difference is Vaishnav schools worship Vishnu as the Supreme Lord, and Gurbani states the Parabrahm is the originator and thus supreme. Nevertheless, Gurbani reconizes that Vishnu emanates from the Parabrahm and posits Vishnu's avatars as the same lineage as Guru Nanak. [INDENT][COLOR="DarkGreen"]ਭਗਤ ਹੇਤਿ ਮਾਰਿਓ ਹਰਨਾਖਸੁ [B]ਨਰਸਿੰਘ[/B] ਰੂਪ ਹੋਇ ਦੇਹ ਧਰਿਓ ॥ bhagath haeth maariou haranaakhas [B]narasingh roop[/B] hoe dhaeh dhhariou || For the sake of His devotee Prahlaad, God assumed the [B]form of the man-lion[/B], and killed Harnaakhash. ਨਾਮਾ ਕਹੈ ਭਗਤਿ ਬਸਿ ਕੇਸਵ ਅਜਹੂੰ ਬਲਿ ਕੇ ਦੁਆਰ ਖਰੋ ॥੪॥੧॥ naamaa kehai bhagath bas kaesav ajehoon bal kae dhuaar kharo ||4||1|| Says Naam Dayv, the beautiful-haired Lord is in the power of His devotees; He is standing at Balraja's door, even now! ||4||1|| ~SGGS Ji p. 1105[/COLOR][/INDENT] [INDENT][COLOR="Blue"]ਸਤਜੁਗਿ ਤੈ ਮਾਣਿਓ ਛਲਿਓ ਬਲਿ ਬਾਵਨ ਭਾਇਓ ॥ sathajug thai maaniou shhaliou bal [B]baavan[/B] bhaaeiou || In the Golden Age of Sat Yuga, You were pleased to deceive Baal the king, in the [B]form of a dwarf[/B]. ਤ੍ਰੇਤੈ ਤੈ ਮਾਣਿਓ ਰਾਮੁ ਰਘੁਵੰਸੁ ਕਹਾਇਓ ॥ thraethai thai maaniou [B]raam raghuvans[/B] kehaaeiou || In the Silver Age of Traytaa Yuga, You were called [B]Raam of the Raghu dynasty[/B]. ਦੁਆਪੁਰਿ ਕ੍ਰਿਸਨ ਮੁਰਾਰਿ ਕੰਸੁ ਕਿਰਤਾਰਥੁ ਕੀਓ ॥ dhuaapur[B] kirasan[/B] muraar kans kirathaarathh keeou || In the Brass Age of Dwaapur Yuga, You were [B]Krishna[/B]; You killed Mur the demon and saved Kans. ਉਗ੍ਰਸੈਣ ਕਉ ਰਾਜੁ ਅਭੈ ਭਗਤਹ ਜਨ ਦੀਓ ॥ ougrasain ko raaj abhai bhagatheh jan dheeou || You blessed Ugrasain with a kingdom, and You blessed Your humble devotees with fearlessness. ਕਲਿਜੁਗਿ ਪ੍ਰਮਾਣੁ ਨਾਨਕ ਗੁਰੁ ਅੰਗਦੁ ਅਮਰੁ ਕਹਾਇਓ ॥ kalijug pramaan naanak gur angadh amar kehaaeiou || In the Iron Age, the Dark Age of[B] Kali Yuga, You are known and accepted as Guru Nanak, Guru Angad and Guru Amar Das. [/B] ਸ੍ਰੀ ਗੁਰੂ ਰਾਜੁ ਅਬਿਚਲੁ ਅਟਲੁ ਆਦਿ ਪੁਰਖਿ ਫੁਰਮਾਇਓ ॥੭॥ sree guroo raaj abichal attal aadh purakh furamaaeiou ||7|| The sovereign rule of the Great Guru is unchanging and permanent, according the Command of the Primal Lord God. ||7|| ~SGGS Ji p. 1390[/COLOR][/INDENT] [INDENT][COLOR="Navy"]ਅਚੁਤ ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਪਰਮੇਸੁਰ ਅੰਤਰਜਾਮੀ ॥ achuth paarabreham paramaesur antharajaamee || The Supreme Lord God is imperishable, the Transcendent Lord, the Inner-knower, the Searcher of hearts. ਮਧੁਸੂਦਨ ਦਾਮੋਦਰ ਸੁਆਮੀ ॥ madhhusoodhan dhaamodhar suaamee || He is the Slayer of demons, our Supreme Lord and Master. ਰਿਖੀਕੇਸ ਗੋਵਰਧਨ ਧਾਰੀ ਮੁਰਲੀ ਮਨੋਹਰ ਹਰਿ ਰੰਗਾ ॥੧॥ rikheekaes govaradhhan dhhaaree muralee manohar har rangaa ||1|| The Supreme Rishi, the Master of the sensory organs, the uplifter of mountains, the joyful Lord playing His enticing flute. ||1|| ਮੋਹਨ ਮਾਧਵ [B]ਕ੍ਰਿਸ੍ਨ[/B] ਮੁਰਾਰੇ ॥ mohan maadhhav [B]kirasa[/B] muraarae || The Enticer of Hearts, the Lord of wealth,[B] Krishna[/B], the Enemy of ego. ਜਗਦੀਸੁਰ ਹਰਿ ਜੀਉ ਅਸੁਰ ਸੰਘਾਰੇ ॥ jagadheesur har jeeo asur sanghaarae || The Lord of the Universe, the Dear Lord, the Destroyer of demons. ਜਗਜੀਵਨ ਅਬਿਨਾਸੀ ਠਾਕੁਰ ਘਟ ਘਟ ਵਾਸੀ ਹੈ ਸੰਗਾ ॥੨॥ jagajeevan abinaasee thaakur ghatt ghatt vaasee hai sangaa ||2|| The Life of the World, our eternal and ever-stable Lord and Master dwells within each and every heart, and is always with us. ||2|| ਧਰਣੀਧਰ ਈਸ ਨਰਸਿੰਘ ਨਾਰਾਇਣ ॥ dhharaneedhhar ees[B] narasingh[/B] naaraaein || The Support of the Earth, [B]the man-lion[/B], the Supreme Lord God. ~SGGS Ji p. 1082[/COLOR][/INDENT] Now you can continue to reject this philosophy, but you see it's a bit tricky because the avatar[I] is[/I] less than the Parabrahm... but is like the speaking voice of silent God in sansaara. And in a state of God-consciousness the avatar is merged and thus consciousness is God. [INDENT][COLOR="Purple"]ਕਰਮ ਧਰਮ ਨੇਮ ਬ੍ਰਤ ਪੂਜਾ ॥ karam dhharam naem brath poojaa || The karma of good actions, the Dharma of righteous living, religious rituals, fasts and worship ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਬਿਨੁ ਜਾਨੁ ਨ ਦੂਜਾ ॥੨॥ [B]paarabreham[/B] bin jaan n dhoojaa ||2|| - practice these, but do not know any other than the Supreme Lord God. ||2|| ਤਾ ਕੀ ਪੂਰਨ ਹੋਈ ਘਾਲ ॥ਜਾ ਕੀ ਪ੍ਰੀਤਿ ਅਪੁਨੇ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਨਾਲਿ ॥੩॥ thaa kee pooran hoee ghaal || jaa kee preeth apunae prabh naal ||3|| Those who place their love in God - their works are brought to fruition. ||3|| ਸੋ ਬੈਸਨੋ ਹੈ ਅਪਰ ਅਪਾਰੁ ॥ so baisano hai apar apaar || Infinitely invaluable is that Vaishnaav, that worshipper of Vishnu, ਕਹੁ ਨਾਨਕ ਜਿਨਿ ਤਜੇ ਬਿਕਾਰ ॥੪॥੯੬॥੧੬੫॥ kahu naanak jin thajae bikaar ||4||96||165|| says Nanak, who has renounced corruption. ||4||96||165|| ~SGGS Ji p. 199[/COLOR][/INDENT] This shabad is explaining the God-consciousness of the Satguru's Jyot which is the Light of Vaheguru. Sikhs are not enjoined to make idols out of the Guru's forms. So we do not say the created physical form of Guru is God. This would be illogical and impossible. And this is what the Sikh Rehat Maryada is saying. However, that tricky part about multidimensional realities, when the Satguru is merged in God-consciousness, He is God. And you can read for yourself, this is what Gurbani says. If there was no Oneness in merging with the Divine nature of God, there would be no Satguru. Because a Satguru cannot be an ordinary man. A Satguru takes on the burden of the karam of the world and carries across to mukti, liberation. How could Satguru give Divine consciousness if He didn't have it? No one can be liberated from a mere prophet. Gurbani could not have the Shabad-Jyot Divine Presence, know people's souls and karam, would have no power of liberation at all... unless Guruji is merged in the Divine consciousness and speaks to us as a Superconscious being. No one could write the Gurbani which as I'm trying to show, has aspects where it describes even the most advanced physics of our day. It could not do this if it was not written in God-consciousness. Because only God knows Himself. [COLOR="DarkGreen"][INDENT]ਜਾ ਕਰਤਾ ਸਿਰਠੀ ਕਉ ਸਾਜੇ ਆਪੇ ਜਾਣੈ ਸੋਈ ॥ jaa karathaa sirathee ko saajae aapae jaanai soee || The Creator who created this creation-only He Himself knows. ਕਿਵ ਕਰਿ ਆਖਾ ਕਿਵ ਸਾਲਾਹੀ ਕਿਉ ਵਰਨੀ ਕਿਵ ਜਾਣਾ ॥ kiv kar aakhaa kiv saalaahee kio varanee kiv jaanaa || How can we speak of Him? How can we praise Him? How can we describe Him? How can we know Him? ~SGGS Ji p. 4[/INDENT][/COLOR] [INDENT][COLOR="Purple"]ਹਕੁ ਸਚੁ ਖਾਲਕੁ ਖਲਕ ਮਿਆਨੇ ਸਿਆਮ ਮੂਰਤਿ ਨਾਹਿ ॥੨॥ hak sach khaalak khalak miaanae siaam moorath naahi ||2|| The True Creator Lord is diffused into His creation; He is not just the dark-skinned Krishna of legends. ||2|| ਅਸਮਾਨ *ਿਮ੍ਯ੍ਯਾਨੇ ਲਹੰਗ ਦਰੀਆ ਗੁਸਲ ਕਰਦਨ ਬੂਦ ॥ asamaan miyaanae lehang dhareeaa gusal karadhan boodh || Through the Tenth Gate, the stream of nectar flows; take your bath in this. ~SGGS Ji p. 727[/COLOR][/INDENT] [INDENT][COLOR="Navy"]ਚੰਦਂ*ੀ ਹਜਾਰ ਆਲਮ ਏਕਲ ਖਾਨਾਂ ॥ chandhanaee hajaar aalam eaekal khaanaan || You alone are the Lord of so many thousands of worlds. ਹਮ ਚਿਨੀ ਪਾਤਿਸਾਹ ਸਾਂਵਲੇ ਬਰਨਾਂ ॥੩॥ ham chinee paathisaah saanvalae baranaan ||3|| You are my Lord King, like the dark-skinned Krishna. ||3|| ਅਸਪਤਿ ਗਜਪਤਿ ਨਰਹ ਨਰਿੰਦ ॥ asapath gajapath nareh narindh || You are the Lord of the sun, Lord Indra and Lord Brahma, the King of men. ਨਾਮੇ ਕੇ ਸ੍ਵਾਮੀ ਮੀਰ ਮੁਕੰਦ ॥੪॥੨॥੩॥ naamae kae svaamee meer mukandh ||4||2||3|| You are the Lord and Master of Naam Dayv, the King, the Liberator of all. ||4||2||3|| ~SGGS Ji p. 727 [/COLOR][/INDENT] ~Bhul chak maaf karni ji [/QUOTE]
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