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<blockquote data-quote="muslim" data-source="post: 6285" data-attributes="member: 853"><p><strong>Re: Guru Nanak was a 'false' Prophet ??</strong></p><p></p><p><strong>Ok i will now answer all of your questions, inshallah.</strong></p><p> </p><p>Firstly Hazrat Mohammed said himslef that he was the last Prophet. What is the proof that he was the last prophet apart from this.?</p><p> </p><p><strong>Ok firstly everything in this life has a begining and an end, the prophet Adam the first prophet and Mohammad the last. Each of the prophets before Mohammad were sent to their own nations or tribes, so a prophet would have been sent to the four corners of the earth conveying the same message. Now although the name of this religion conveyed by the prophet at the time may not have been islam they would be the same fundamental religion. Now when the prophet mohammad came as a prophet he was different to all the the previous as he came to not only to the people of arabia but of the world.</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p>Guru Nanak Dev Ji was much more than a Prophet. </p><p></p><p>The defination of Prophet as per Islam is a 'warner' not a guide..Prophets just warn, or prophesise, they dont guide. </p><p></p><p>Guru Nanak Dev Ji had the Jot of Waheguru, and hence was one with God. He was NOT warned like the Prophet of doom, nor was God ever angry with him. </p><p></p><p>He was chosen to guide people on the way of Naam, the religion of God. </p><p></p><p><strong>When the prophet Mohammad came he came with a warning and guidance for mankind he also prophesised. Muslims use the quran and sunnah for guidance.The prophet of doom? and god was angry? come again.</strong></p><p></p><p>Hee hee. I have already answered your question above and I think in the light of the above the remaining questions are invalid. </p><p></p><p>The Gurus of the sikhs were not mere Prophet, who were subject to judgement, rather they were Masters for the sikhs who had the Jot of God. </p><p></p><p>Now to address your questions with logic of the likeness you have used ;-) </p><p> </p><p><strong>Masters? isnt god the only master of the universe? lol </strong></p><p></p><p>It was rather clever of the Prophet to decalre himslef the last prophet. By that he wanted to make Islam the most popular religion. In fact not only did he say he was the last prophet, suring the latter period of his life he even negated the folowings of the earlier prophets. </p><p> </p><p><strong>Huh? he negated the followings of the earlier prophets? oh so we only follow the ten commandments sent to moses in the old testament, follow the psalms of david and pray like jesus,yusuf etc, yeah i guess you could call that negating them.</strong></p><p></p><p>For if the followings of the early prophets were also true, then there would be no need for the last prophet - Prophet Mohammed to be on this earth and give his own teachings. </p><p></p><p>The biggest teaching that muslims claim is of Tawheed or the oneness of God. This is not something unique, is it. The Jews knew about this before the pagans of Arabia knew. </p><p></p><p>In facte I would suggest that you give up claims to Israel and let them libve in peace as the Jews are th original people to know about Tawheed. They are the original Momins </p><p></p><p><strong>Yes all the following prophets were correct in message and true. Mohammad was sent as the seal the last one to give revelation not just for a tribe but to the whole of mankind till the day of judgement. You are correct in saying that the jews knew of the oneness of god before the arab pagans, but is it or is it not true that they rejected a prophet of god? Jesus. When he came as a prophet with the gospel.</strong></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes. Guru Granth Sahib has got hymns which clearly convey the message that this is the message of God. </p><p></p><p>In fact it turns out thatwhile Guru Granth Sahib has no inconsistencies in concept, the Quran is full of big blunders. </p><p></p><p>Not only does it deviate from the spirtual aspct of life, it also breeds hate and violence among the various people. </p><p></p><p>The lesser said about the Quaranic inconsistencies, the better..but If you want I would be glad to reproduce for you tracts.....which have been translated by muslim authors themselves. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite6" alt=":cool:" title="Cool :cool:" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":cool:" /> </p><p></p><p><strong>What proof shows us that the guru granth sahib is the message of god. So what big blunders does the quran have please let me know. Oh so how come the quran is the only book that hasnt been changed. It doesnt deviate from the spritual aspect of life, if so how? and where does it premote violence.</strong></p><p></p><p>Like I said, just say it and they will be reproduced on this very Forum<strong>.</strong> </p><p></p><p><strong>Please do.</strong></p><p></p><p>Yes. Because unlike narrow minded biased Islamic relgion, Sikhism belives that anyone can achieve God. Those who achieved God, only their compositions are included in Guru Granth Sahib. </p><p></p><p>The touchstone used to test was the Baani which the Gurus thmselves received from 'Dhur'. The touchstone prooved that the Baani of the Bhagats was Ilaahi Baani indeed. </p><p></p><p>Please note that Gurbaani is all about God, NOT about some piddly myths - which wont even stand the test of time and histroy. </p><p></p><p>Gurbani is about truth, NOT about false </p><p></p><p>Gurbani is about Love, not about hating ur fellow beings </p><p></p><p>Gurbani is about Naam, and focusses ion worship of One True God, NOT some prophet. </p><p> </p><p><strong>Oh so thats why your ridiculing a prophet of another religion, which your religion say by following him we can reach god. Lol since when did you become an islamic scholar, the quran teaches us about life and the correct path to god.</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong></strong>You dont even understand the basic principles of sikhism. Suggest that you go and study some books. </p><p></p><p>The Jot which permeated in Guru Nanak moved from him to the rest of the Gurus. The 'moorat' - physical body was different byt the concepts and the Jot was the same. </p><p></p><p>The iron was readied by Guru Nanak Dev J, The steel was made and forged into the steel by Guru Gobind Singh Ji. The transformation from a piddly human beings were converted into the complete saint </p><p>soldier - the Khalsa. </p><p> </p><p><strong>Huh? what are you on about?</strong></p><p></p><p>Because everyone wants to own an enlightened person. ;-) </p><p></p><p>Wonder why the Jews did not come forward to claim prophet Mohammed as a jew and the Christian did not come forward to claim him as a Christian even though he had declared that he was a continuation of the line of prophets and the last prophets. </p><p></p><p><strong>Again you dont know what your talking about, yes the jews did not except him but they didnt even except jesus. If you read the torah you will see that moses speaks of the prophet mohammad. He cannot be classified as a chrsitian as the prophet did not agree with new ideas in christianity eg the trinity. Oh and jesus spoke of the prophet mohammad.</strong></p><p></p><p></p><p>You are indeed a scholar Sir. I salute you ;-)</p><p></p><p><strong>And so are you.</strong></p><p></p><p>By the way who many prophets does Islam declare? 12,000 sopmething. Pity that God wanted to send 12,000 prophets in the brief time that civilisation had just started, but therafter he was silence. </p><p></p><p>What was the big deal about Mohammed. What he had said about Oneness of God was already known to Jews and Christians.... </p><p></p><p>Can you give me the names of at least 100 of these Prophets...please....pretty pleaseeeeeeeeeeeee.......</p><p></p><p><strong>Huh? oh i forgot here goes mr scholar. Lol silence of god man look at your own reliigon, relevilation only came 600yrs ago lol whats happend to those before sikhism. Big deal about him is he is the seal, bringing revelation to the world. Christians and jews have lost their religion as the sikhs claim muslims and hindus have. The names of prophets are as follows</strong></p><p> </p><p style="text-align: center">Qur'anic Name</p> <p style="text-align: center"></p> <p style="text-align: center">Biblical Name</p> <p style="text-align: center"></p> <p style="text-align: center">Adam</p> <p style="text-align: center"></p> <p style="text-align: center">Adam</p> <p style="text-align: center"></p> <p style="text-align: center">Idris</p> <p style="text-align: center"></p> <p style="text-align: center">Enoch</p> <p style="text-align: center"></p> <p style="text-align: center">Nuh</p> <p style="text-align: center"></p> <p style="text-align: center">Noah</p> <p style="text-align: center"></p> <p style="text-align: center">Hud</p> <p style="text-align: center"></p> <p style="text-align: center">-----</p> <p style="text-align: center"></p> <p style="text-align: center">Salih</p> <p style="text-align: center"></p> <p style="text-align: center">Salih</p> <p style="text-align: center"></p> <p style="text-align: center">Ibrahim</p> <p style="text-align: center"></p> <p style="text-align: center"><a href="http://islam.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://www.islam.org/Mosque/ibrahim.htm" target="_blank"><span style="color: #236eb5">Abraham</span></a></p> <p style="text-align: center"></p> <p style="text-align: center">Isma'il</p> <p style="text-align: center"></p> <p style="text-align: center">Ishmael</p> <p style="text-align: center"></p> <p style="text-align: center">Ishaq</p> <p style="text-align: center"></p> <p style="text-align: center">Isaac</p> <p style="text-align: center"></p> <p style="text-align: center">Lut</p> <p style="text-align: center"></p> <p style="text-align: center">Lot</p> <p style="text-align: center"></p> <p style="text-align: center">Ya'qub</p> <p style="text-align: center"></p> <p style="text-align: center">Jacob</p> <p style="text-align: center"></p> <p style="text-align: center">Yusuf</p> <p style="text-align: center"></p> <p style="text-align: center">Joseph</p> <p style="text-align: center"></p> <p style="text-align: center">Shu'aib</p> <p style="text-align: center"></p> <p style="text-align: center">-----</p> <p style="text-align: center"></p> <p style="text-align: center">Ayyub</p> <p style="text-align: center"></p> <p style="text-align: center">Job</p> <p style="text-align: center"></p> <p style="text-align: center">Musa</p> <p style="text-align: center"></p> <p style="text-align: center">Moses</p> <p style="text-align: center"></p> <p style="text-align: center">Harun</p> <p style="text-align: center"></p> <p style="text-align: center">Aaron</p> <p style="text-align: center"></p> <p style="text-align: center">Dhu'l-kifl</p> <p style="text-align: center"></p> <p style="text-align: center">Ezekiel</p> <p style="text-align: center"></p> <p style="text-align: center">Dawud</p> <p style="text-align: center"></p> <p style="text-align: center">David</p> <p style="text-align: center"></p> <p style="text-align: center">Sulaiman</p> <p style="text-align: center"></p> <p style="text-align: center">Solomon</p> <p style="text-align: center"></p> <p style="text-align: center">Ilias</p> <p style="text-align: center"></p> <p style="text-align: center">Elias</p> <p style="text-align: center"></p> <p style="text-align: center">Al-Yasa</p> <p style="text-align: center"></p> <p style="text-align: center">Elisha</p> <p style="text-align: center"></p> <p style="text-align: center">Yunus</p> <p style="text-align: center"></p> <p style="text-align: center">Jonah</p> <p style="text-align: center"></p> <p style="text-align: center">Zakariyya</p> <p style="text-align: center"></p> <p style="text-align: center">Zechariah</p> <p style="text-align: center"></p> <p style="text-align: center">Yahya</p> <p style="text-align: center"></p> <p style="text-align: center">John</p> <p style="text-align: center"></p> <p style="text-align: center">'Isa</p> <p style="text-align: center"></p> <p style="text-align: center"><a href="http://islam.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://www.iiie.net/Brochures/Brochure%2D08.html" target="_blank"><span style="color: #236eb5">Jesus</span></a></p> <p style="text-align: center"></p> <p style="text-align: center"><a href="http://islam.about.com/msubprophet.htm" target="_blank"><span style="color: #236eb5">Muhammad</span></a></p> <p style="text-align: center"></p> <p style="text-align: center">-----</p> <p style="text-align: center"></p><p></p><p> </p><p><strong>Not quiet a hundred but the quran is not a book of names.</strong></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="muslim, post: 6285, member: 853"] [b]Re: Guru Nanak was a 'false' Prophet ??[/b] [b]Ok i will now answer all of your questions, inshallah.[/b] Firstly Hazrat Mohammed said himslef that he was the last Prophet. What is the proof that he was the last prophet apart from this.? [b]Ok firstly everything in this life has a begining and an end, the prophet Adam the first prophet and Mohammad the last. Each of the prophets before Mohammad were sent to their own nations or tribes, so a prophet would have been sent to the four corners of the earth conveying the same message. Now although the name of this religion conveyed by the prophet at the time may not have been islam they would be the same fundamental religion. Now when the prophet mohammad came as a prophet he was different to all the the previous as he came to not only to the people of arabia but of the world. [/b] Guru Nanak Dev Ji was much more than a Prophet. The defination of Prophet as per Islam is a 'warner' not a guide..Prophets just warn, or prophesise, they dont guide. Guru Nanak Dev Ji had the Jot of Waheguru, and hence was one with God. He was NOT warned like the Prophet of doom, nor was God ever angry with him. He was chosen to guide people on the way of Naam, the religion of God. [b]When the prophet Mohammad came he came with a warning and guidance for mankind he also prophesised. Muslims use the quran and sunnah for guidance.The prophet of doom? and god was angry? come again.[/b] Hee hee. I have already answered your question above and I think in the light of the above the remaining questions are invalid. The Gurus of the sikhs were not mere Prophet, who were subject to judgement, rather they were Masters for the sikhs who had the Jot of God. Now to address your questions with logic of the likeness you have used ;-) [b]Masters? isnt god the only master of the universe? lol [/b] It was rather clever of the Prophet to decalre himslef the last prophet. By that he wanted to make Islam the most popular religion. In fact not only did he say he was the last prophet, suring the latter period of his life he even negated the folowings of the earlier prophets. [b]Huh? he negated the followings of the earlier prophets? oh so we only follow the ten commandments sent to moses in the old testament, follow the psalms of david and pray like jesus,yusuf etc, yeah i guess you could call that negating them.[/b] For if the followings of the early prophets were also true, then there would be no need for the last prophet - Prophet Mohammed to be on this earth and give his own teachings. The biggest teaching that muslims claim is of Tawheed or the oneness of God. This is not something unique, is it. The Jews knew about this before the pagans of Arabia knew. In facte I would suggest that you give up claims to Israel and let them libve in peace as the Jews are th original people to know about Tawheed. They are the original Momins [b]Yes all the following prophets were correct in message and true. Mohammad was sent as the seal the last one to give revelation not just for a tribe but to the whole of mankind till the day of judgement. You are correct in saying that the jews knew of the oneness of god before the arab pagans, but is it or is it not true that they rejected a prophet of god? Jesus. When he came as a prophet with the gospel.[/b] Yes. Guru Granth Sahib has got hymns which clearly convey the message that this is the message of God. In fact it turns out thatwhile Guru Granth Sahib has no inconsistencies in concept, the Quran is full of big blunders. Not only does it deviate from the spirtual aspct of life, it also breeds hate and violence among the various people. The lesser said about the Quaranic inconsistencies, the better..but If you want I would be glad to reproduce for you tracts.....which have been translated by muslim authors themselves. :cool: [b]What proof shows us that the guru granth sahib is the message of god. So what big blunders does the quran have please let me know. Oh so how come the quran is the only book that hasnt been changed. It doesnt deviate from the spritual aspect of life, if so how? and where does it premote violence.[/b] Like I said, just say it and they will be reproduced on this very Forum[b].[/b] [b]Please do.[/b] Yes. Because unlike narrow minded biased Islamic relgion, Sikhism belives that anyone can achieve God. Those who achieved God, only their compositions are included in Guru Granth Sahib. The touchstone used to test was the Baani which the Gurus thmselves received from 'Dhur'. The touchstone prooved that the Baani of the Bhagats was Ilaahi Baani indeed. Please note that Gurbaani is all about God, NOT about some piddly myths - which wont even stand the test of time and histroy. Gurbani is about truth, NOT about false Gurbani is about Love, not about hating ur fellow beings Gurbani is about Naam, and focusses ion worship of One True God, NOT some prophet. [b]Oh so thats why your ridiculing a prophet of another religion, which your religion say by following him we can reach god. Lol since when did you become an islamic scholar, the quran teaches us about life and the correct path to god. [/b]You dont even understand the basic principles of sikhism. Suggest that you go and study some books. The Jot which permeated in Guru Nanak moved from him to the rest of the Gurus. The 'moorat' - physical body was different byt the concepts and the Jot was the same. The iron was readied by Guru Nanak Dev J, The steel was made and forged into the steel by Guru Gobind Singh Ji. The transformation from a piddly human beings were converted into the complete saint soldier - the Khalsa. [b]Huh? what are you on about?[/b] Because everyone wants to own an enlightened person. ;-) Wonder why the Jews did not come forward to claim prophet Mohammed as a jew and the Christian did not come forward to claim him as a Christian even though he had declared that he was a continuation of the line of prophets and the last prophets. [b]Again you dont know what your talking about, yes the jews did not except him but they didnt even except jesus. If you read the torah you will see that moses speaks of the prophet mohammad. He cannot be classified as a chrsitian as the prophet did not agree with new ideas in christianity eg the trinity. Oh and jesus spoke of the prophet mohammad.[/b] You are indeed a scholar Sir. I salute you ;-) [b]And so are you.[/b] By the way who many prophets does Islam declare? 12,000 sopmething. Pity that God wanted to send 12,000 prophets in the brief time that civilisation had just started, but therafter he was silence. What was the big deal about Mohammed. What he had said about Oneness of God was already known to Jews and Christians.... Can you give me the names of at least 100 of these Prophets...please....pretty pleaseeeeeeeeeeeee....... [b]Huh? oh i forgot here goes mr scholar. Lol silence of god man look at your own reliigon, relevilation only came 600yrs ago lol whats happend to those before sikhism. Big deal about him is he is the seal, bringing revelation to the world. Christians and jews have lost their religion as the sikhs claim muslims and hindus have. The names of prophets are as follows[/b] [center]Qur'anic Name [/center] [center]Biblical Name [/center] [center]Adam [/center] [center]Adam [/center] [center]Idris [/center] [center]Enoch [/center] [center]Nuh [/center] [center]Noah [/center] [center]Hud [/center] [center]----- [/center] [center]Salih [/center] [center]Salih [/center] [center]Ibrahim [/center] [center][url="http://islam.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://www.islam.org/Mosque/ibrahim.htm"][color=#236eb5]Abraham[/color][/url] [/center] [center]Isma'il [/center] [center]Ishmael [/center] [center]Ishaq [/center] [center]Isaac [/center] [center]Lut [/center] [center]Lot [/center] [center]Ya'qub [/center] [center]Jacob [/center] [center]Yusuf [/center] [center]Joseph [/center] [center]Shu'aib [/center] [center]----- [/center] [center]Ayyub [/center] [center]Job [/center] [center]Musa [/center] [center]Moses [/center] [center]Harun [/center] [center]Aaron [/center] [center]Dhu'l-kifl [/center] [center]Ezekiel [/center] [center]Dawud [/center] [center]David [/center] [center]Sulaiman [/center] [center]Solomon [/center] [center]Ilias [/center] [center]Elias [/center] [center]Al-Yasa [/center] [center]Elisha [/center] [center]Yunus [/center] [center]Jonah [/center] [center]Zakariyya [/center] [center]Zechariah [/center] [center]Yahya [/center] [center]John [/center] [center]'Isa [/center] [center][url="http://islam.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://www.iiie.net/Brochures/Brochure%2D08.html"][color=#236eb5]Jesus[/color][/url] [/center] [center][url="http://islam.about.com/msubprophet.htm"][color=#236eb5]Muhammad[/color][/url] [/center] [center]----- [/center] [b]Not quiet a hundred but the quran is not a book of names.[/b] [/QUOTE]
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