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<blockquote data-quote="BabbarSher" data-source="post: 391" data-attributes="member: 185"><p>Jinni: </p><p></p><p></p><p>Sikhs do call, Guru Nanak as their Prophet. Which is wrong, becos hazrat Muhammad [SAW]was the last prophet, and all others who claim to be one, are hypocrites and false prophet.</p><p></p><p><strong>Firstly Hazrat Mohammed said himslef that he was the last Prophet. What is the proof that he was the last prophet apart from this.? </strong> </p><p></p><p></p><p>Guru Nanak was no Prophet just reformer, it would be clear by reading the fowlling.</p><p></p><p><strong>Guru Nanak Dev Ji was much more than a Prophet. </strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>The defination of Prophet as per Islam is a 'warner' not a guide..Prophets just warn, or prophesise, they dont guide. </strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>Guru Nanak Dev Ji had the Jot of Waheguru, and hence was one with God. He was NOT warned like the Prophet of doom, nor was God ever angry with him. </strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>He was chosen to guide people on the way of Naam, the religion of God.</strong> </p><p></p><p></p><p>So, the first question you need to ask your Sikh friend is: Did Nanak really claim to be a prophet chosen by God to lead people out of darkness into light? </p><p></p><p>If the answer is “no,” tell him that this proves that prophethood was conferred on him by his zealous followers and it is meaningless to continue to argue that Nanak was a prophet. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><strong>Hee hee. I have already answered your question above and I think in the light of the above the remaining questions are invalid. </strong> </p><p></p><p><strong>The Gurus of the sikhs were not mere Prophet, who were subject to judgement, rather they were Masters for the sikhs who had the Jot of God.</strong> </p><p></p><p>If the answer is “yes,” the second question is: Did Nanak approve of the roles of earlier prophets of God, especially the prophet who came just before him, Muhammad (peace be on him)? </p><p></p><p></p><p><strong>Now to address your questions with logic of the likeness you have used ;-) </strong> </p><p>If he says “yes,” ask him then how one can reconcile the fact that Muhammad was the Last Prophet of God and the claim that Nanak was a prophet after the Last Prophet. </p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>It was rather clever of the Prophet to decalre himslef the last prophet. By that he wanted to make Islam the most popular religion. In fact not only did he say he was the last prophet, suring the latter period of his life he even negated the folowings of the earlier prophets. </strong> </p><p></p><p><strong>For if the followings of the early prophets were also true, then there would be no need for the last prophet - Prophet Mohammed to be on this earth and give his own teachings. </strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>The biggest teaching that muslims claim is of Tawheed or the oneness of God. This is not something unique, is it. The Jews knew about this before the pagans of Arabia knew. </strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>In facte I would suggest that you give up claims to Israel and let them libve in peace as the Jews are th original people to know about Tawheed. They are the original Momins </strong> </p><p></p><p>The third question is whether all the Sikhs believe that their holy book, called the Adi Granth, was revealed to Nanak by God. If they say “yes,” ask them whether there is any statement to that effect in the book itself and whether Nanak said that the Adi Granth had been fully revealed to him by God. </p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>Yes. Guru Granth Sahib has got hymns which clearly convey the message that this is the message of God. </strong> </p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>In fact it turns out thatwhile Guru Granth Sahib has no inconsistencies in concept, the Quran is full of big blunders. </strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>Not only does it deviate from the spirtual aspct of life, it also breeds hate and violence among the various people. </strong> </p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>The lesser said about the Quaranic inconsistencies, the better..but If you want I would be glad to reproduce for you tracts.....which have been translated by muslim authors themselves. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite6" alt=":cool:" title="Cool :cool:" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":cool:" /> </strong> </p><p></p><p></p><p>If the answer is in the affirmative, your Sikh friend has to show the proof that the above statements are true, from the Adi Granth itself. </p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>Like I said, just say it and they will be reproduced on this very Forum. </strong> </p><p></p><p>This will not be possible for him to do for the following reasons: </p><p></p><p>1. The Adi Granth is a collection of the writings of many Gurus including Nanak. It was in 1604—Nanak died in 1539—that Arjan Dev, one of the ten Gurus, compiled the hymns of Guru Nanak along with the compositions of both Hindu and Muslim holy men like Jaidev, Surdas, Sheikh Farid and Kabir. The compiled book was enshrined by Arjan in the Golden Temple with the name “Adi Granth.” </p><p></p><p><strong>Yes. Because unlike narrow minded biased Islamic relgion, Sikhism belives that anyone can achieve God. Those who achieved God, only their compositions are included in Guru Granth Sahib. </strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>The touchstone used to test was the Baani which the Gurus thmselves received from 'Dhur'. The touchstone prooved that the Baani of the Bhagats was Ilaahi Baani indeed. </strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>Please note that Gurbaani is all about God, NOT about some piddly myths - which wont even stand the test of time and histroy. </strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>Gurbani is about truth, NOT about false </strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>Gurbani is about Love, not about hating ur fellow beings </strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>Gurbani is about Naam, and focusses ion worship of One True God, NOT some prophet. </strong> </p><p></p><p>2. A prophet of God is a model for all his followers in all aspects of life. But in the case of Sikhism, we find that it was not Guru Nanak, but the tenth Guru, Gobind Singh, who organized the community of Sikhs into a khalsa, “a spiritual brotherhood devoted to purity of thought and action.” He taught his followers to wear long hair (kesh, denoting saintly appearance), underwear (kachha, denoting self-control), an iron bangle (kara, denoting purity in acts), a comb (kangha, denoting cleanliness of mind and body), and a sword (kirpan, denoting fight for a just cause). </p><p></p><p><strong>You dont even understand the basic principles of sikhism. Suggest that you go and study some books. </strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>The Jot which permeated in Guru Nanak moved from him to the rest of the Gurus. The 'moorat' - physical body was different byt the concepts and the Jot was the same. </strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>The iron was readied by Guru Nanak Dev J, The steel was made and forged into the steel by Guru Gobind Singh Ji. The transformation from a piddly </strong> <strong>human beings were converted into the complete saint </strong></p><p><strong>soldier - the Khalsa. </strong> </p><p></p><p>3. Towards the end of his life, the aged Nanak returned home to Punjab and settled down at Kartharpur with his family. People came from far and near to hear his hymns and preaching. After his death, his Hindu followers thought him to be a Hindu and his Muslim followers thought him to be a Muslim. </p><p></p><p><strong>Because everyone wants to own an enlightened person. ;-) </strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>Wonder why the Jews did not come forward to claim prophet Mohammed as a jew and the Christian did not come forward to claim him as a Christian even though he had declared that he was a continuation of the line of prophets and the last prophets. </strong> </p><p></p><p>From the foregoing, we understand that Guru Nanak was not a prophet of God, but a religious reformer of his times.</p><p></p><p></p><p><strong>You are indeed a scholar Sir. I salute you ;-) </strong> </p><p></p><p></p><p><strong>By the way who many prophets does Islam declare? 12,000 sopmething. Pity that God wanted to send 12,000 prophets in the brief time that civilisation had just started, but therafter he was silence. </strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>What was the big deal about Mohammed. What he had said about Oneness of God was already known to Jews and Christians.... </strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>Can you give me the names of at least 100 of these Prophets...please....pretty pleaseeeeeeeeeeeee.......</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>Akal Sahai </strong><strong> </strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>Babbar Sher</strong></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BabbarSher, post: 391, member: 185"] Jinni: Sikhs do call, Guru Nanak as their Prophet. Which is wrong, becos hazrat Muhammad [SAW]was the last prophet, and all others who claim to be one, are hypocrites and false prophet. [B]Firstly Hazrat Mohammed said himslef that he was the last Prophet. What is the proof that he was the last prophet apart from this.? [/B] Guru Nanak was no Prophet just reformer, it would be clear by reading the fowlling. [B]Guru Nanak Dev Ji was much more than a Prophet. The defination of Prophet as per Islam is a 'warner' not a guide..Prophets just warn, or prophesise, they dont guide. Guru Nanak Dev Ji had the Jot of Waheguru, and hence was one with God. He was NOT warned like the Prophet of doom, nor was God ever angry with him. He was chosen to guide people on the way of Naam, the religion of God.[/B] So, the first question you need to ask your Sikh friend is: Did Nanak really claim to be a prophet chosen by God to lead people out of darkness into light? If the answer is “no,” tell him that this proves that prophethood was conferred on him by his zealous followers and it is meaningless to continue to argue that Nanak was a prophet. [B]Hee hee. I have already answered your question above and I think in the light of the above the remaining questions are invalid. [/B] [B]The Gurus of the sikhs were not mere Prophet, who were subject to judgement, rather they were Masters for the sikhs who had the Jot of God.[/B] If the answer is “yes,” the second question is: Did Nanak approve of the roles of earlier prophets of God, especially the prophet who came just before him, Muhammad (peace be on him)? [B]Now to address your questions with logic of the likeness you have used ;-) [/B] If he says “yes,” ask him then how one can reconcile the fact that Muhammad was the Last Prophet of God and the claim that Nanak was a prophet after the Last Prophet. [B] It was rather clever of the Prophet to decalre himslef the last prophet. By that he wanted to make Islam the most popular religion. In fact not only did he say he was the last prophet, suring the latter period of his life he even negated the folowings of the earlier prophets. [/B] [B]For if the followings of the early prophets were also true, then there would be no need for the last prophet - Prophet Mohammed to be on this earth and give his own teachings. The biggest teaching that muslims claim is of Tawheed or the oneness of God. This is not something unique, is it. The Jews knew about this before the pagans of Arabia knew. In facte I would suggest that you give up claims to Israel and let them libve in peace as the Jews are th original people to know about Tawheed. They are the original Momins [/B] The third question is whether all the Sikhs believe that their holy book, called the Adi Granth, was revealed to Nanak by God. If they say “yes,” ask them whether there is any statement to that effect in the book itself and whether Nanak said that the Adi Granth had been fully revealed to him by God. [B] Yes. Guru Granth Sahib has got hymns which clearly convey the message that this is the message of God. [/B] [B] In fact it turns out thatwhile Guru Granth Sahib has no inconsistencies in concept, the Quran is full of big blunders. Not only does it deviate from the spirtual aspct of life, it also breeds hate and violence among the various people. [/B] [B] The lesser said about the Quaranic inconsistencies, the better..but If you want I would be glad to reproduce for you tracts.....which have been translated by muslim authors themselves. :cool: [/B] If the answer is in the affirmative, your Sikh friend has to show the proof that the above statements are true, from the Adi Granth itself. [B] Like I said, just say it and they will be reproduced on this very Forum. [/B] This will not be possible for him to do for the following reasons: 1. The Adi Granth is a collection of the writings of many Gurus including Nanak. It was in 1604—Nanak died in 1539—that Arjan Dev, one of the ten Gurus, compiled the hymns of Guru Nanak along with the compositions of both Hindu and Muslim holy men like Jaidev, Surdas, Sheikh Farid and Kabir. The compiled book was enshrined by Arjan in the Golden Temple with the name “Adi Granth.” [B]Yes. Because unlike narrow minded biased Islamic relgion, Sikhism belives that anyone can achieve God. Those who achieved God, only their compositions are included in Guru Granth Sahib. The touchstone used to test was the Baani which the Gurus thmselves received from 'Dhur'. The touchstone prooved that the Baani of the Bhagats was Ilaahi Baani indeed. Please note that Gurbaani is all about God, NOT about some piddly myths - which wont even stand the test of time and histroy. Gurbani is about truth, NOT about false Gurbani is about Love, not about hating ur fellow beings Gurbani is about Naam, and focusses ion worship of One True God, NOT some prophet. [/B] 2. A prophet of God is a model for all his followers in all aspects of life. But in the case of Sikhism, we find that it was not Guru Nanak, but the tenth Guru, Gobind Singh, who organized the community of Sikhs into a khalsa, “a spiritual brotherhood devoted to purity of thought and action.” He taught his followers to wear long hair (kesh, denoting saintly appearance), underwear (kachha, denoting self-control), an iron bangle (kara, denoting purity in acts), a comb (kangha, denoting cleanliness of mind and body), and a sword (kirpan, denoting fight for a just cause). [B]You dont even understand the basic principles of sikhism. Suggest that you go and study some books. The Jot which permeated in Guru Nanak moved from him to the rest of the Gurus. The 'moorat' - physical body was different byt the concepts and the Jot was the same. The iron was readied by Guru Nanak Dev J, The steel was made and forged into the steel by Guru Gobind Singh Ji. The transformation from a piddly [/B] [B]human beings were converted into the complete saint soldier - the Khalsa. [/B] 3. Towards the end of his life, the aged Nanak returned home to Punjab and settled down at Kartharpur with his family. People came from far and near to hear his hymns and preaching. After his death, his Hindu followers thought him to be a Hindu and his Muslim followers thought him to be a Muslim. [B]Because everyone wants to own an enlightened person. ;-) Wonder why the Jews did not come forward to claim prophet Mohammed as a jew and the Christian did not come forward to claim him as a Christian even though he had declared that he was a continuation of the line of prophets and the last prophets. [/B] From the foregoing, we understand that Guru Nanak was not a prophet of God, but a religious reformer of his times. [B]You are indeed a scholar Sir. I salute you ;-) [/B] [B]By the way who many prophets does Islam declare? 12,000 sopmething. Pity that God wanted to send 12,000 prophets in the brief time that civilisation had just started, but therafter he was silence. What was the big deal about Mohammed. What he had said about Oneness of God was already known to Jews and Christians.... Can you give me the names of at least 100 of these Prophets...please....pretty pleaseeeeeeeeeeeee....... Akal Sahai [/B][B] Babbar Sher[/B] [/QUOTE]
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