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Gurcharan Singh Jeonvala And Sukhbir Singh Discussion On Dasam Granth At Sur Sagar TV
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<blockquote data-quote="kee_jaana_mein_kaun" data-source="post: 120396" data-attributes="member: 10914"><p><strong>Re: Gurcharan Singh Jeonvala and Sukhbir Singh Discussion on Dasam Granth at Sur Saga</strong></p><p></p><p>Sukhbir Singh failed to or "deliberately"skipped the part on the "Pandit and Mahakaal ka Sikh".</p><p> </p><p>His attempt to hold the patent(sorry for using that word)of the Khalistan movement,Kharkoo movement,Sant Bhindrawale is not only misleading but highly deplorable.</p><p> </p><p>If we listen to Sant Jarnail Singh ji Khalsa Bhindranwale's speeches properly he has clearly mentioned the difference between "Kaalies" and "Akaalies".He said "Kaalies" are those Sikhs who visit the Gurdwara as well as the mandirs whereas "Akaalies" are those who believe only in one Akaal Purkh.</p><p> </p><p>The Saadh laana knows that if the whole Sikh sangat refuses to bow before any other except the Guru Granth Sahib their "dukaans" will close and only "dukaandaars" will be left.Their bread and butter is based on these "dukaans" and other karamkaands which they do in these so called Sikh deras.They also know if true Sikhs win the SGPC elections the first thing that will happen is that all deras (Sikh and non Sikh) will be closed in Punjab ,that is why now the nangs(nihangs) and saadh laana is thinking of participating in SGPC elections.</p><p> </p><p>Here is a small list of "contribution" of the nangs(nihangs) and saadh laana towards the Sikh struggle or Khalistan movement :</p><p> </p><p>1)One Mahakaal daa Sikh was nang Ajit poohla,a well known police cat who is responsible for killing an unkown number of Singhs including the whole family of Bhai Balwinder Singh Jattaana Babbar including one physically handicapped girl with the help of Punjab police SSP Saini .Now Saini has been made head Punjab vigilence by Prakash Badal.Saini also attended Poohla's funeral.</p><p>There were attacks on Saini a number of times and the Singhs who attacked him have either been killed in fake encounters or are in Tihar jail.</p><p> </p><p>2)The head of the saadh laana Harnam Singh Dhumma who claims to be successor of Sant Bhindranwale is the same person who was earlier in California,USA but was suddenly bought to Punjab for some reasons which are now becoming apparent .Dhumma is the same person who gave milk to the butchers of Sikhs KP Gill at Chowk Mehta.In fact it is Dhumma and some other similar claimers of Damdami Taksal who have stabbed the Sikhs on the back and are trying to undo whatever Sant Bhindranwale achieved by aligning with RSS.</p><p> </p><p>3)During the Ludhiana kaand when on the one hand Shromani Tat Khalsa was holding a procession and recieving police bullets Dhumma also accompanied them ,while at the same time a number of nangs(nihangs) and kaalies(Badal dal people) were seen sitting in Asutosh's Smagam.The reality of Dhumma surfaced when after giving an ultimatum to the Badal govt that they will sit on the road till the Badal govt allows funeral of Bhai Darshan Singh at the place of Asutosh's smagam.But Mr Dhumma and certain other saadhs of the saadh laana left the venue of the dharna in between and the govt managed to do Antim Sanskar of Bhai Darshan Singh at his village without letting anyone see him at the final hours before the funeral.</p><p> </p><p>I can give a number of such examples of the betrayal by the nangs and saadh laana.</p><p> </p><p>These people will continue to be encouraged day by day till freedom is achieved from this system.We must not forget that it was the congress led by Amrinder Singh which sought the votes of Saudhaa Saadh during the last elections.</p><p> </p><p>We have a list of Punjab leaders of BJP,Congress,Badal dal who visited various deras including so called Sikh deras for votes.</p><p> </p><p>Conclusion is BJP,Congress,Badal dal all are same.How they participate and win elections and by which means is well known.Only a different political system can rid us of this disease.</p><p> </p><p>Khalistan is the only solution.</p><p> </p><p>The following video tells why :</p><p> </p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZweflcPk9A" target="_blank">YouTube- S.Simranjit Singh Mann khalistan speech ludhiana kand.wmv</a></p><p> </p><p>Mr Simranjit Singh Mann is a gold medalist in History and stood fourth in the IAS,IPS exams.Badal may be cunning in politics but he is no where near Mann so far as knowledge is concerned.Mann's thinking is 20 years ahead of what a common Sikh thinks.The GOI knows that ,this is is reason why they used to torture Mann on the pretext of conspiring to kill Indra Gandhi.That was the reason why certain medicines were put in his food on a daily basis so that they have negative effect on his brain.This was the reason why Mann was attacked by Badal dal,SOI,Chautala brigade and RSS goondas at Kathunangal and his turban knocked off and he recieved serious injuries in his skull .</p><p> </p><p>I have myself attended Mann's rally at Maghi conference,Muktsar many years back where not many people attended the conference.At that time the media had successfuly managed to malign Mann and the Sikhs were very ignorant.But nowadays the Sikhs have become aware and sometimes gathering at Mann's Khalistan rally's break all records.</p><p> </p><p>Sikhs must remember that talking about Khalistan,raising Khalistan slogans and achieving Khalistan by peaceful means is "not" unconstitional according to Indian constitution.This is the ruling of the Supreme court.Mr Mann has won this case when Badal took it to the high court where he (badal)lost and then to supreme court where again badal lost.</p><p> </p><p>Similarly Sant Bhindranwale knew about what was in store in the future for the Sikhs ,that is why he used to say "Singho tyaar bar tyaar raho..." and "ajay parakh dee gharri(time) auni hai.." but some Sikhs inside Punjab and a number of those outsides though that this warning was for someone else and the results are in front of us.</p><p> </p><p>At the moment also most of the Sikhs are sleeping wheras RSS and the hindutva is not only training it's men but also it's woman wing "Durga Vahini" in arms(guns) training openly all over India with the connivance of GOI.</p><p> </p><p>We must remember that most of those Sikhs killed in 1984 anti Sikh pogroms had nothing to do with Sant Bhindrawale and were in fact congress supporters.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="kee_jaana_mein_kaun, post: 120396, member: 10914"] [b]Re: Gurcharan Singh Jeonvala and Sukhbir Singh Discussion on Dasam Granth at Sur Saga[/b] Sukhbir Singh failed to or "deliberately"skipped the part on the "Pandit and Mahakaal ka Sikh". His attempt to hold the patent(sorry for using that word)of the Khalistan movement,Kharkoo movement,Sant Bhindrawale is not only misleading but highly deplorable. If we listen to Sant Jarnail Singh ji Khalsa Bhindranwale's speeches properly he has clearly mentioned the difference between "Kaalies" and "Akaalies".He said "Kaalies" are those Sikhs who visit the Gurdwara as well as the mandirs whereas "Akaalies" are those who believe only in one Akaal Purkh. The Saadh laana knows that if the whole Sikh sangat refuses to bow before any other except the Guru Granth Sahib their "dukaans" will close and only "dukaandaars" will be left.Their bread and butter is based on these "dukaans" and other karamkaands which they do in these so called Sikh deras.They also know if true Sikhs win the SGPC elections the first thing that will happen is that all deras (Sikh and non Sikh) will be closed in Punjab ,that is why now the nangs(nihangs) and saadh laana is thinking of participating in SGPC elections. Here is a small list of "contribution" of the nangs(nihangs) and saadh laana towards the Sikh struggle or Khalistan movement : 1)One Mahakaal daa Sikh was nang Ajit poohla,a well known police cat who is responsible for killing an unkown number of Singhs including the whole family of Bhai Balwinder Singh Jattaana Babbar including one physically handicapped girl with the help of Punjab police SSP Saini .Now Saini has been made head Punjab vigilence by Prakash Badal.Saini also attended Poohla's funeral. There were attacks on Saini a number of times and the Singhs who attacked him have either been killed in fake encounters or are in Tihar jail. 2)The head of the saadh laana Harnam Singh Dhumma who claims to be successor of Sant Bhindranwale is the same person who was earlier in California,USA but was suddenly bought to Punjab for some reasons which are now becoming apparent .Dhumma is the same person who gave milk to the butchers of Sikhs KP Gill at Chowk Mehta.In fact it is Dhumma and some other similar claimers of Damdami Taksal who have stabbed the Sikhs on the back and are trying to undo whatever Sant Bhindranwale achieved by aligning with RSS. 3)During the Ludhiana kaand when on the one hand Shromani Tat Khalsa was holding a procession and recieving police bullets Dhumma also accompanied them ,while at the same time a number of nangs(nihangs) and kaalies(Badal dal people) were seen sitting in Asutosh's Smagam.The reality of Dhumma surfaced when after giving an ultimatum to the Badal govt that they will sit on the road till the Badal govt allows funeral of Bhai Darshan Singh at the place of Asutosh's smagam.But Mr Dhumma and certain other saadhs of the saadh laana left the venue of the dharna in between and the govt managed to do Antim Sanskar of Bhai Darshan Singh at his village without letting anyone see him at the final hours before the funeral. I can give a number of such examples of the betrayal by the nangs and saadh laana. These people will continue to be encouraged day by day till freedom is achieved from this system.We must not forget that it was the congress led by Amrinder Singh which sought the votes of Saudhaa Saadh during the last elections. We have a list of Punjab leaders of BJP,Congress,Badal dal who visited various deras including so called Sikh deras for votes. Conclusion is BJP,Congress,Badal dal all are same.How they participate and win elections and by which means is well known.Only a different political system can rid us of this disease. Khalistan is the only solution. The following video tells why : [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZweflcPk9A"]YouTube- S.Simranjit Singh Mann khalistan speech ludhiana kand.wmv[/url] Mr Simranjit Singh Mann is a gold medalist in History and stood fourth in the IAS,IPS exams.Badal may be cunning in politics but he is no where near Mann so far as knowledge is concerned.Mann's thinking is 20 years ahead of what a common Sikh thinks.The GOI knows that ,this is is reason why they used to torture Mann on the pretext of conspiring to kill Indra Gandhi.That was the reason why certain medicines were put in his food on a daily basis so that they have negative effect on his brain.This was the reason why Mann was attacked by Badal dal,SOI,Chautala brigade and RSS goondas at Kathunangal and his turban knocked off and he recieved serious injuries in his skull . I have myself attended Mann's rally at Maghi conference,Muktsar many years back where not many people attended the conference.At that time the media had successfuly managed to malign Mann and the Sikhs were very ignorant.But nowadays the Sikhs have become aware and sometimes gathering at Mann's Khalistan rally's break all records. Sikhs must remember that talking about Khalistan,raising Khalistan slogans and achieving Khalistan by peaceful means is "not" unconstitional according to Indian constitution.This is the ruling of the Supreme court.Mr Mann has won this case when Badal took it to the high court where he (badal)lost and then to supreme court where again badal lost. Similarly Sant Bhindranwale knew about what was in store in the future for the Sikhs ,that is why he used to say "Singho tyaar bar tyaar raho..." and "ajay parakh dee gharri(time) auni hai.." but some Sikhs inside Punjab and a number of those outsides though that this warning was for someone else and the results are in front of us. At the moment also most of the Sikhs are sleeping wheras RSS and the hindutva is not only training it's men but also it's woman wing "Durga Vahini" in arms(guns) training openly all over India with the connivance of GOI. We must remember that most of those Sikhs killed in 1984 anti Sikh pogroms had nothing to do with Sant Bhindrawale and were in fact congress supporters. [/QUOTE]
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