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Pahre (74-78)
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Gurbani (94-109)
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Ashtpadi (129-130)
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Bara Maha (133-136)
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Gurbani (151-185)
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Gurbani (347-348)
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Kaafee (365-409)
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ਰਾਗੁ ਗੂਜਰੀ | Raag Goojaree
Gurbani (489-503)
Ashtpadiyan (503-508)
Vaar Gujari (508-517)
Vaar Gujari (517-526)
ਰਾਗੁ ਦੇਵਗੰਧਾਰੀ | Raag Dayv-Gandhaaree
Gurbani (527-536)
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Gurbani (537-556)
Chhant (538-548)
Vaar Bihaagraa (548-556)
ਰਾਗੁ ਵਡਹੰਸ | Raag Wadhans
Gurbani (557-564)
Ashtpadiyan (564-565)
Chhant (565-575)
Ghoriaan (575-578)
Alaahaniiaa (578-582)
Vaar Wadhans (582-594)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੋਰਠਿ | Raag Sorath
Gurbani (595-634)
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Gurbani (660-685)
Astpadhiya (685-687)
Chhant (687-691)
Bhagat Bani (691-695)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਤਸਰੀ | Raag Jaitsree
Gurbani (696-703)
Chhant (703-705)
Vaar Jaitsaree (705-710)
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ਰਾਗੁ ਟੋਡੀ | Raag Todee
ਰਾਗੁ ਬੈਰਾੜੀ | Raag Bairaaree
ਰਾਗੁ ਤਿਲੰਗ | Raag Tilang
Gurbani (721-727)
Bhagat Bani (727)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੂਹੀ | Raag Suhi
Gurbani (728-750)
Ashtpadiyan (750-761)
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Suchajee (762)
Gunvantee (763)
Chhant (763-785)
Vaar Soohee (785-792)
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ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਲਾਵਲੁ | Raag Bilaaval
Gurbani (795-831)
Ashtpadiyan (831-838)
Thitteen (838-840)
Vaar Sat (841-843)
Chhant (843-848)
Vaar Bilaaval (849-855)
Bhagat Bani (855-858)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੋਂਡ | Raag Gond
Gurbani (859-869)
Ashtpadiyan (869)
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Ashtpadiyan (902-916)
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Chhant (924-929)
Dakhnee (929-938)
Sidh Gosat (938-946)
Vaar Ramkalee (947-968)
ਰਾਗੁ ਨਟ ਨਾਰਾਇਨ | Raag Nat Narayan
Gurbani (975-980)
Ashtpadiyan (980-983)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਲੀ ਗਉੜਾ | Raag Maalee Gauraa
Gurbani (984-988)
Bhagat Bani (988)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਰੂ | Raag Maaroo
Gurbani (889-1008)
Ashtpadiyan (1008-1014)
Kaafee (1014-1016)
Ashtpadiyan (1016-1019)
Anjulian (1019-1020)
Solhe (1020-1033)
Dakhni (1033-1043)
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Bara Maha (1107-1110)
Chhant (1110-1117)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕੇਦਾਰਾ | Raag Kedara
Gurbani (1118-1123)
Bhagat Bani (1123-1124)
ਰਾਗੁ ਭੈਰਉ | Raag Bhairo
Gurbani (1125-1152)
Partaal (1153)
Ashtpadiyan (1153-1167)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਸੰਤੁ | Raag Basant
Gurbani (1168-1187)
Ashtpadiyan (1187-1193)
Vaar Basant (1193-1196)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਾਰਗ | Raag Saarag
Gurbani (1197-1200)
Partaal (1200-1231)
Ashtpadiyan (1232-1236)
Chhant (1236-1237)
Vaar Saarang (1237-1253)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਲਾਰ | Raag Malaar
Gurbani (1254-1293)
Partaal (1265-1273)
Ashtpadiyan (1273-1278)
Chhant (1278)
Vaar Malaar (1278-91)
Bhagat Bani (1292-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਾਨੜਾ | Raag Kaanraa
Gurbani (1294-96)
Partaal (1296-1318)
Ashtpadiyan (1308-1312)
Chhant (1312)
Vaar Kaanraa
Bhagat Bani (1318)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਲਿਆਨ | Raag Kalyaan
Gurbani (1319-23)
Ashtpadiyan (1323-26)
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Gurbani (1327-1341)
Ashtpadiyan (1342-51)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਜਾਵੰਤੀ | Raag Jaijaiwanti
Gurbani (1352-53)
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<blockquote data-quote="etinder" data-source="post: 1472" data-attributes="member: 304"><p>dear guys</p><p>lemme explain a bit about Free will here and hopefully we can direct our further discossions on that basis</p><p> </p><p> </p><p><strong>Introduction and Conditions for Free Will</strong></p><p></p><p>What does it mean to have free will? To have free will at least two conditions must obtain. </p><ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">We must have two or more possibilities 'genuinely open' to us when we face a choice; and</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">our choice must not be 'forced'.</li> </ol><p>The concept of free will plays a central role in our thinking about the world, particularly in our apportioning praise and blame, and in our finding persons <em>morally responsible</em> for things they have done. </p><p></p><p>All sorts of conditions serve to diminish moral responsibility (and blameworthiness). We do not hold persons morally responsible for their actions when they are </p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">under the influence of a powerful medication having unexpected psychological effects</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">very young (since the young are unable to predict [foresee] the consequences of their actions and may themselves not have mature concepts of right and wrong)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">delirious</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">coerced, e.g. by someone putting a knife to their throats or a gun to their heads. <br /> <br /> <em>(An aside: The French Existentialist philosopher, Jean Paul Sartre [1905-1980], who fought as a Partisan in the Second World War against the Nazis, refused to accept as an excuse for complicity, "But it was my life or theirs [i.e. the innocent victims of the Nazis]". Sartre argued that even under such dire circumstances, one is still morally responsible for one's actions and one is free to choose life or death, and that in some instances choosing life is an immoral choice.)</em></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">physically forced by a person or thing of superior strength</li> </ul><p>The list of 'excusing conditions' has grown steadily over the years. </p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">For example, recently in a court case, a man was found not guilty of murder on the grounds that he was sleepwalking during the killing (including driving his car to the victim's house across town).</li> </ul><p>Many other 'factors' influencing behavior have been proposed: </p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">one's genetic makeup (over which one has no control)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">one's environment and upbringing (again over which one has little, if any, control)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">one's education which, at least in one's early years, is - again - beyond one's control</li> </ul><p>But when all these 'influencing' and 'controlling' factors are considered, is there any room left for the exercise of one's own freedom? Can one truly <em>choose</em>? Or is free choice, ultimately, a myth and/or an illusion?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="etinder, post: 1472, member: 304"] dear guys lemme explain a bit about Free will here and hopefully we can direct our further discossions on that basis [b]Introduction and Conditions for Free Will[/b] What does it mean to have free will? To have free will at least two conditions must obtain. [list=1] [*]We must have two or more possibilities 'genuinely open' to us when we face a choice; and [*]our choice must not be 'forced'. [/list]The concept of free will plays a central role in our thinking about the world, particularly in our apportioning praise and blame, and in our finding persons [i]morally responsible[/i] for things they have done. All sorts of conditions serve to diminish moral responsibility (and blameworthiness). We do not hold persons morally responsible for their actions when they are [list] [*]under the influence of a powerful medication having unexpected psychological effects [*]very young (since the young are unable to predict [foresee] the consequences of their actions and may themselves not have mature concepts of right and wrong) [*]delirious [*]coerced, e.g. by someone putting a knife to their throats or a gun to their heads. [i](An aside: The French Existentialist philosopher, Jean Paul Sartre [1905-1980], who fought as a Partisan in the Second World War against the Nazis, refused to accept as an excuse for complicity, "But it was my life or theirs [i.e. the innocent victims of the Nazis]". Sartre argued that even under such dire circumstances, one is still morally responsible for one's actions and one is free to choose life or death, and that in some instances choosing life is an immoral choice.)[/i] [*]physically forced by a person or thing of superior strength [/list]The list of 'excusing conditions' has grown steadily over the years. [list] [*]For example, recently in a court case, a man was found not guilty of murder on the grounds that he was sleepwalking during the killing (including driving his car to the victim's house across town). [/list]Many other 'factors' influencing behavior have been proposed: [list] [*]one's genetic makeup (over which one has no control) [*]one's environment and upbringing (again over which one has little, if any, control) [*]one's education which, at least in one's early years, is - again - beyond one's control [/list]But when all these 'influencing' and 'controlling' factors are considered, is there any room left for the exercise of one's own freedom? Can one truly [i]choose[/i]? Or is free choice, ultimately, a myth and/or an illusion? [/QUOTE]
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