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<blockquote data-quote="pk70" data-source="post: 97970" data-attributes="member: 5889"><p></p><p></p><p>2.</p><p></p><p></p><p> <strong>Respected Gyani ji please accept my sincere thanks for to understanding the point I rose in my post(in which I didn’t address meat issue)<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></strong></p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="color: black">Vaheguru Seekr Ji,</span></strong></p><p> <strong><span style="color: black">First of all let me comment on your comment, “ shine some Gurmat light on it”</span></strong></p><p> <strong><span style="color: black">Gurmat is not in what you or I say, it is what Gurbani says, I pointed out to VSGREWAL ji that Bhagat Kabir Ji’s bani is honored by Guru ji and it has Guru ji’s backing, that’s all, Sikhs should believe in that Guru= support Kabir Ji has, instead of going back into his life as well expressed by Gyani ji in his post about the past. Literally I didn’t address the content of the Sloka because I was not into debating “meat Issue” but integrity of Bhagat Bani in context of SGGS Ji. Gyani ji understood that well.</span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: black"></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: black">If you allow, let me say that to understand Kabir Ji’s meaning of the sloka quoted above, one must start to read the previous Sloka by Kabir ji . Let’s contemplate on this</span></strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: maroon"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%AC%E0%A9%80%E0%A8%B0" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਕਬੀਰ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%8F%E0%A8%95" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਏਕ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%98%E0%A9%9C%E0%A9%80" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਘੜੀ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%86%E0%A8%A7%E0%A9%80" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਆਧੀ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%98%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%80" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਘਰੀ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%86%E0%A8%A7%E0%A9%80" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਆਧੀ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%82%E0%A9%B0" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਹੂੰ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A4%E0%A9%87" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਤੇ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%86%E0%A8%A7" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਆਧ</span> </a>॥ <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AD%E0%A8%97%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%A8" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਭਗਤਨ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%87%E0%A8%A4%E0%A9%80" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸੇਤੀ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%97%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%9F%E0%A9%87" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਗੋਸਟੇ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A9%8B" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਜੋ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A9%80%E0%A8%A8%E0%A9%87" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਕੀਨੇ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%8B" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸੋ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B2%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%AD" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਲਾਭ</span> </a>॥<span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">੨੩੨</span>॥</span></strong></p><p><strong>Kabīr ek gẖaṛī āḏẖī gẖarī āḏẖī hūʼn ṯe āḏẖ.nnBẖagṯan seṯī goste jo kīne so lābẖ. ||232||</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>In essence; company/talk with the devotees of the Creator for a moment or less is useful ( in context of realizing Him because in their company His praise will be the subject of the talk, it will inspire love for Him in the hearts contrary to the company of others who do not praise Him or contemplate on Him)</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>What Kabir ji is saying here is that to be in the company of His devotees is very useful for the soul to tread on His path even if it’s for a short time because it inspires the mind to turn towards Him. Question here is how we meet the devotees and how they accept us. They have their goal, they have purpose and they have their environment. In the following Sloka, Kabir Ji is pointing out those who go to the devotees but are more into their own pleasures as well. <u>That won’t help, it is also important to change to be worthy of Him.</u> The pleasures they are into, negate the good effect of company of the devotees and eventually effects of intoxication, fish will take over. </strong></p><p><strong>Dr Sahib Singh</strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਹੇਕਬੀਰ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਚੂੰਕਿਦੁਨੀਆਦੇ </span>"<span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਬਾਦਬਿਬਾਦ</span>" </span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਤੋਂਖ਼ਲਾਸੀਸਾਧੂਦੀਸੰਗਤਿਕੀਤਿਆਂਹੀਮਿਲਦੀਹੈ</span>, <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਇਸਵਾਸਤੇ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਇੱਕਘੜੀ</span>, <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਅੱਧੀਘੜੀ</span>, <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਘੜੀਦਾਚੌਥਾਹਿੱਸਾ</span>-<span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਜਿਤਨਾਚਿਰਭੀਗੁਰਮੁਖਾਂਦੀਸੰਗਤਿਕੀਤੀਜਾਏ</span>, <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਇਸਤੋਂ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਆਤਮਕਜੀਵਨਵਿਚ ਨਫ਼ਾਹੀਨਫ਼ਾਹੈ।੨੩੨।</span></span></strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>(Dr Sahib Singh Translation: Kabir (since only way to get out of affairs of arguments is through the company of His devotees), whatever time is available, a moment or half of it or less than should be spent in the Company of Gurmukh because it is useful for spiritually gain.)</strong></p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="color: black">Now lets look at that very Sloka under discussion</span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: maroon"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%AC%E0%A9%80%E0%A8%B0" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਕਬੀਰ</span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AD%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%82%E0%A8%97" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਭਾਂਗ</span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%9B%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%B2%E0%A9%80" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਮਾਛੁਲੀ</span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BE" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸੁਰਾ</span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AA%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਪਾਨਿ</span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A9%8B" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਜੋਜੋ</span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AA%E0%A9%8D%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A8%E0%A9%80" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਪ੍ਰਾਨੀ</span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%96%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%82%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਖਾਂਹਿ</span></a>॥</span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: maroon"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A4%E0%A9%80%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%A5" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਤੀਰਥ</span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AC%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%A4" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਬਰਤ</span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A9%87%E0%A8%AE" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਨੇਮ</span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A9%80%E0%A8%8F" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਕੀਏ</span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A4%E0%A9%87" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਤੇ</span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%AD%E0%A9%88" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸਭੈ</span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%B2%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਰਸਾਤਲਿ</span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%82%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਜਾਂਹਿ</span></a>॥<span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">੨੩੩॥</span></span></strong></p><p><strong>Kabīr bẖāʼng mācẖẖulī surā pān jo jo parānī kẖāʼnhi.</strong></p><p><strong>Ŧirath baraṯ nem kī▫e ṯe sabẖai rasāṯal jāʼnhi. ||233||</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>In essence “There are prople who take Bhang, eat Fish and drink, even if they do pilgrimage, fasting and daily rites, they will go into miseries (Hell, concept of Hell is to be in miseries)</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>This Slok is addressed to the people who are into lustrous habits and seek pleasures in eating fish, having bhang and alcohol; however, their acts of doing pilgrimages, fasting and other religious rites will not save them. Dr Sahib Singh further illustrates that Kabir ji is hinting at those people who remain into lustrous life style and are into intoxications, even if they go to the company of devotees, when they return, they again get into it and result of it they cannot have eternal peace as Devotees of Him have.</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>Dr Sahib Singh</strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਹੇਕਬੀਰ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਜੇਲੋਕ </span>'<span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਭਗਤਨਸੇਤੀਗੋਸਟੇ</span>]' <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਕਰਕੇਤੀਰਥ</span>-<span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਜਾਤ੍ਰਾਵਰਤ</span>]-<span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਨੇਮਆਦਿਕਭੀਕਰਦੇਹਨਤੇਉਹਸ਼ਰਾਬੀਲੋਕਭੰਗਮੱਛੀਭੀਖਾਂਦੇਹਨ </span>(<span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਭਾਵ</span>, <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸਤਸੰਗਵਿਚਭੀਜਾਂਦੇਹਨਤੇਸ਼ਰਾਬ</span>-<span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਕਬਾਬਭੀਖਾਂਦੇਪੀਂਦੇਹਨ</span>, <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਵਿਕਾਰਭੀਕਰਦੇਹਨ</span>[) <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਉਹਨਾਂਦੇਉਹਤੀਰਥਵਰਤਆਦਿਕਵਾਲੇਸਾਰੇਕਰਮਬਿਲਕੁਲਵਿਅਰਥਜਾਂਦੇਹਨ।੨੩੩ਮੱਛੀਦਾਮਾਸਚੂੰਕਿਕਾਮ</span>-<span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਰੁਚੀਵਧੀਕਪੈਦਾਕਰਨਵਿਚਪ੍ਰਸਿਧਹੈ</span>, <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਇਸਵਾਸਤੇਕਬੀਰਜੀਨੇਸ਼ਰਾਬਭੰਗਮੱਛੀਲਫ਼ਜ਼ਵਰਤੇਹਨ।</span></span> </strong></p><p><strong>(Oh Kabir the people who after having sit with devotees of Him, go on pilgrimage, perform religious rites, and those drunkard also eat fish( means go to Sattsangat and drink and eat fish and indulge into vices) their going to pilgrimage and other religious rites are useless… Since fish is known to boost sexual desire that is why Kabir ji has used the words Bhang , alcohol and fish) </strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>Your questions are answered in the elaboration.</strong></p><p><strong>Thanks.</strong></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="pk70, post: 97970, member: 5889"] [FONT=Raavi][/FONT] 2. [B]Respected Gyani ji please accept my sincere thanks for to understanding the point I rose in my post(in which I didn’t address meat issue):)[/B] [B][COLOR=black]Vaheguru Seekr Ji,[/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=black]First of all let me comment on your comment, “ shine some Gurmat light on it”[/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=black]Gurmat is not in what you or I say, it is what Gurbani says, I pointed out to VSGREWAL ji that Bhagat Kabir Ji’s bani is honored by Guru ji and it has Guru ji’s backing, that’s all, Sikhs should believe in that Guru= support Kabir Ji has, instead of going back into his life as well expressed by Gyani ji in his post about the past. Literally I didn’t address the content of the Sloka because I was not into debating “meat Issue” but integrity of Bhagat Bani in context of SGGS Ji. Gyani ji understood that well. If you allow, let me say that to understand Kabir Ji’s meaning of the sloka quoted above, one must start to read the previous Sloka by Kabir ji . Let’s contemplate on this[/COLOR] [COLOR=maroon][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%AC%E0%A9%80%E0%A8%B0'][FONT=Raavi]ਕਬੀਰ[/FONT] [/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%8F%E0%A8%95'][FONT=Raavi]ਏਕ[/FONT] [/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%98%E0%A9%9C%E0%A9%80'][FONT=Raavi]ਘੜੀ[/FONT] [/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%86%E0%A8%A7%E0%A9%80'][FONT=Raavi]ਆਧੀ[/FONT] [/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%98%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%80'][FONT=Raavi]ਘਰੀ[/FONT] [/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%86%E0%A8%A7%E0%A9%80'][FONT=Raavi]ਆਧੀ[/FONT] [/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%82%E0%A9%B0'][FONT=Raavi]ਹੂੰ[/FONT] [/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A4%E0%A9%87'][FONT=Raavi]ਤੇ[/FONT] [/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%86%E0%A8%A7'][FONT=Raavi]ਆਧ[/FONT] [/URL]॥ [URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AD%E0%A8%97%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%A8'][FONT=Raavi]ਭਗਤਨ[/FONT] [/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%87%E0%A8%A4%E0%A9%80'][FONT=Raavi]ਸੇਤੀ[/FONT] [/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%97%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%9F%E0%A9%87'][FONT=Raavi]ਗੋਸਟੇ[/FONT] [/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A9%8B'][FONT=Raavi]ਜੋ[/FONT] [/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A9%80%E0%A8%A8%E0%A9%87'][FONT=Raavi]ਕੀਨੇ[/FONT] [/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%8B'][FONT=Raavi]ਸੋ[/FONT] [/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B2%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%AD'][FONT=Raavi]ਲਾਭ[/FONT] [/URL]॥[FONT=Raavi]੨੩੨[/FONT]॥[/COLOR] Kabīr ek gẖaṛī āḏẖī gẖarī āḏẖī hūʼn ṯe āḏẖ.nnBẖagṯan seṯī goste jo kīne so lābẖ. ||232|| In essence; company/talk with the devotees of the Creator for a moment or less is useful ( in context of realizing Him because in their company His praise will be the subject of the talk, it will inspire love for Him in the hearts contrary to the company of others who do not praise Him or contemplate on Him) What Kabir ji is saying here is that to be in the company of His devotees is very useful for the soul to tread on His path even if it’s for a short time because it inspires the mind to turn towards Him. Question here is how we meet the devotees and how they accept us. They have their goal, they have purpose and they have their environment. In the following Sloka, Kabir Ji is pointing out those who go to the devotees but are more into their own pleasures as well. [U]That won’t help, it is also important to change to be worthy of Him.[/U] The pleasures they are into, negate the good effect of company of the devotees and eventually effects of intoxication, fish will take over. Dr Sahib Singh [COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਹੇਕਬੀਰ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਚੂੰਕਿਦੁਨੀਆਦੇ [/FONT]"[FONT=Raavi]ਬਾਦਬਿਬਾਦ[/FONT]" [FONT=Raavi]ਤੋਂਖ਼ਲਾਸੀਸਾਧੂਦੀਸੰਗਤਿਕੀਤਿਆਂਹੀਮਿਲਦੀਹੈ[/FONT], [FONT=Raavi]ਇਸਵਾਸਤੇ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਇੱਕਘੜੀ[/FONT], [FONT=Raavi]ਅੱਧੀਘੜੀ[/FONT], [FONT=Raavi]ਘੜੀਦਾਚੌਥਾਹਿੱਸਾ[/FONT]-[FONT=Raavi]ਜਿਤਨਾਚਿਰਭੀਗੁਰਮੁਖਾਂਦੀਸੰਗਤਿਕੀਤੀਜਾਏ[/FONT], [FONT=Raavi]ਇਸਤੋਂ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਆਤਮਕਜੀਵਨਵਿਚ ਨਫ਼ਾਹੀਨਫ਼ਾਹੈ।੨੩੨।[/FONT][/COLOR] (Dr Sahib Singh Translation: Kabir (since only way to get out of affairs of arguments is through the company of His devotees), whatever time is available, a moment or half of it or less than should be spent in the Company of Gurmukh because it is useful for spiritually gain.)[/B] [B][COLOR=black]Now lets look at that very Sloka under discussion[/COLOR] [COLOR=maroon][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%AC%E0%A9%80%E0%A8%B0'][FONT=Raavi]ਕਬੀਰ[/FONT][/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AD%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%82%E0%A8%97'][FONT=Raavi]ਭਾਂਗ[/FONT][/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%9B%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%B2%E0%A9%80'][FONT=Raavi]ਮਾਛੁਲੀ[/FONT][/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BE'][FONT=Raavi]ਸੁਰਾ[/FONT][/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AA%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BF'][FONT=Raavi]ਪਾਨਿ[/FONT][/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A9%8B'][FONT=Raavi]ਜੋਜੋ[/FONT][/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AA%E0%A9%8D%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A8%E0%A9%80'][FONT=Raavi]ਪ੍ਰਾਨੀ[/FONT][/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%96%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%82%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%BF'][FONT=Raavi]ਖਾਂਹਿ[/FONT][/URL]॥ [URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A4%E0%A9%80%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%A5'][FONT=Raavi]ਤੀਰਥ[/FONT][/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AC%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%A4'][FONT=Raavi]ਬਰਤ[/FONT][/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A9%87%E0%A8%AE'][FONT=Raavi]ਨੇਮ[/FONT][/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A9%80%E0%A8%8F'][FONT=Raavi]ਕੀਏ[/FONT][/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A4%E0%A9%87'][FONT=Raavi]ਤੇ[/FONT][/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%AD%E0%A9%88'][FONT=Raavi]ਸਭੈ[/FONT][/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%B2%E0%A8%BF'][FONT=Raavi]ਰਸਾਤਲਿ[/FONT][/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%82%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%BF'][FONT=Raavi]ਜਾਂਹਿ[/FONT][/URL]॥[FONT=Raavi]੨੩੩॥[/FONT][/COLOR] Kabīr bẖāʼng mācẖẖulī surā pān jo jo parānī kẖāʼnhi. Ŧirath baraṯ nem kī▫e ṯe sabẖai rasāṯal jāʼnhi. ||233|| In essence “There are prople who take Bhang, eat Fish and drink, even if they do pilgrimage, fasting and daily rites, they will go into miseries (Hell, concept of Hell is to be in miseries) This Slok is addressed to the people who are into lustrous habits and seek pleasures in eating fish, having bhang and alcohol; however, their acts of doing pilgrimages, fasting and other religious rites will not save them. Dr Sahib Singh further illustrates that Kabir ji is hinting at those people who remain into lustrous life style and are into intoxications, even if they go to the company of devotees, when they return, they again get into it and result of it they cannot have eternal peace as Devotees of Him have. Dr Sahib Singh [COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਹੇਕਬੀਰ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਜੇਲੋਕ [/FONT]'[FONT=Raavi]ਭਗਤਨਸੇਤੀਗੋਸਟੇ[/FONT]]' [FONT=Raavi]ਕਰਕੇਤੀਰਥ[/FONT]-[FONT=Raavi]ਜਾਤ੍ਰਾਵਰਤ[/FONT]]-[FONT=Raavi]ਨੇਮਆਦਿਕਭੀਕਰਦੇਹਨਤੇਉਹਸ਼ਰਾਬੀਲੋਕਭੰਗਮੱਛੀਭੀਖਾਂਦੇਹਨ [/FONT]([FONT=Raavi]ਭਾਵ[/FONT], [FONT=Raavi]ਸਤਸੰਗਵਿਚਭੀਜਾਂਦੇਹਨਤੇਸ਼ਰਾਬ[/FONT]-[FONT=Raavi]ਕਬਾਬਭੀਖਾਂਦੇਪੀਂਦੇਹਨ[/FONT], [FONT=Raavi]ਵਿਕਾਰਭੀਕਰਦੇਹਨ[/FONT][) [FONT=Raavi]ਉਹਨਾਂਦੇਉਹਤੀਰਥਵਰਤਆਦਿਕਵਾਲੇਸਾਰੇਕਰਮਬਿਲਕੁਲਵਿਅਰਥਜਾਂਦੇਹਨ।੨੩੩ਮੱਛੀਦਾਮਾਸਚੂੰਕਿਕਾਮ[/FONT]-[FONT=Raavi]ਰੁਚੀਵਧੀਕਪੈਦਾਕਰਨਵਿਚਪ੍ਰਸਿਧਹੈ[/FONT], [FONT=Raavi]ਇਸਵਾਸਤੇਕਬੀਰਜੀਨੇਸ਼ਰਾਬਭੰਗਮੱਛੀਲਫ਼ਜ਼ਵਰਤੇਹਨ।[/FONT][/COLOR] (Oh Kabir the people who after having sit with devotees of Him, go on pilgrimage, perform religious rites, and those drunkard also eat fish( means go to Sattsangat and drink and eat fish and indulge into vices) their going to pilgrimage and other religious rites are useless… Since fish is known to boost sexual desire that is why Kabir ji has used the words Bhang , alcohol and fish) Your questions are answered in the elaboration. Thanks.[/B] [/QUOTE]
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