☀️ JOIN SPN MOBILE
Forums
New posts
Guru Granth Sahib
Composition, Arrangement & Layout
ਜਪੁ | Jup
ਸੋ ਦਰੁ | So Dar
ਸੋਹਿਲਾ | Sohilaa
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ | Raag Siree-Raag
Gurbani (14-53)
Ashtpadiyan (53-71)
Gurbani (71-74)
Pahre (74-78)
Chhant (78-81)
Vanjara (81-82)
Vaar Siri Raag (83-91)
Bhagat Bani (91-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਝ | Raag Maajh
Gurbani (94-109)
Ashtpadi (109)
Ashtpadiyan (110-129)
Ashtpadi (129-130)
Ashtpadiyan (130-133)
Bara Maha (133-136)
Din Raen (136-137)
Vaar Maajh Ki (137-150)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗਉੜੀ | Raag Gauree
Gurbani (151-185)
Quartets/Couplets (185-220)
Ashtpadiyan (220-234)
Karhalei (234-235)
Ashtpadiyan (235-242)
Chhant (242-249)
Baavan Akhari (250-262)
Sukhmani (262-296)
Thittee (296-300)
Gauree kii Vaar (300-323)
Gurbani (323-330)
Ashtpadiyan (330-340)
Baavan Akhari (340-343)
Thintteen (343-344)
Vaar Kabir (344-345)
Bhagat Bani (345-346)
ਰਾਗੁ ਆਸਾ | Raag Aasaa
Gurbani (347-348)
Chaupaday (348-364)
Panchpadde (364-365)
Kaafee (365-409)
Aasaavaree (409-411)
Ashtpadiyan (411-432)
Patee (432-435)
Chhant (435-462)
Vaar Aasaa (462-475)
Bhagat Bani (475-488)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੂਜਰੀ | Raag Goojaree
Gurbani (489-503)
Ashtpadiyan (503-508)
Vaar Gujari (508-517)
Vaar Gujari (517-526)
ਰਾਗੁ ਦੇਵਗੰਧਾਰੀ | Raag Dayv-Gandhaaree
Gurbani (527-536)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਹਾਗੜਾ | Raag Bihaagraa
Gurbani (537-556)
Chhant (538-548)
Vaar Bihaagraa (548-556)
ਰਾਗੁ ਵਡਹੰਸ | Raag Wadhans
Gurbani (557-564)
Ashtpadiyan (564-565)
Chhant (565-575)
Ghoriaan (575-578)
Alaahaniiaa (578-582)
Vaar Wadhans (582-594)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੋਰਠਿ | Raag Sorath
Gurbani (595-634)
Asatpadhiya (634-642)
Vaar Sorath (642-659)
ਰਾਗੁ ਧਨਾਸਰੀ | Raag Dhanasaree
Gurbani (660-685)
Astpadhiya (685-687)
Chhant (687-691)
Bhagat Bani (691-695)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਤਸਰੀ | Raag Jaitsree
Gurbani (696-703)
Chhant (703-705)
Vaar Jaitsaree (705-710)
Bhagat Bani (710)
ਰਾਗੁ ਟੋਡੀ | Raag Todee
ਰਾਗੁ ਬੈਰਾੜੀ | Raag Bairaaree
ਰਾਗੁ ਤਿਲੰਗ | Raag Tilang
Gurbani (721-727)
Bhagat Bani (727)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੂਹੀ | Raag Suhi
Gurbani (728-750)
Ashtpadiyan (750-761)
Kaafee (761-762)
Suchajee (762)
Gunvantee (763)
Chhant (763-785)
Vaar Soohee (785-792)
Bhagat Bani (792-794)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਲਾਵਲੁ | Raag Bilaaval
Gurbani (795-831)
Ashtpadiyan (831-838)
Thitteen (838-840)
Vaar Sat (841-843)
Chhant (843-848)
Vaar Bilaaval (849-855)
Bhagat Bani (855-858)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੋਂਡ | Raag Gond
Gurbani (859-869)
Ashtpadiyan (869)
Bhagat Bani (870-875)
ਰਾਗੁ ਰਾਮਕਲੀ | Raag Ramkalee
Ashtpadiyan (902-916)
Gurbani (876-902)
Anand (917-922)
Sadd (923-924)
Chhant (924-929)
Dakhnee (929-938)
Sidh Gosat (938-946)
Vaar Ramkalee (947-968)
ਰਾਗੁ ਨਟ ਨਾਰਾਇਨ | Raag Nat Narayan
Gurbani (975-980)
Ashtpadiyan (980-983)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਲੀ ਗਉੜਾ | Raag Maalee Gauraa
Gurbani (984-988)
Bhagat Bani (988)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਰੂ | Raag Maaroo
Gurbani (889-1008)
Ashtpadiyan (1008-1014)
Kaafee (1014-1016)
Ashtpadiyan (1016-1019)
Anjulian (1019-1020)
Solhe (1020-1033)
Dakhni (1033-1043)
ਰਾਗੁ ਤੁਖਾਰੀ | Raag Tukhaari
Bara Maha (1107-1110)
Chhant (1110-1117)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕੇਦਾਰਾ | Raag Kedara
Gurbani (1118-1123)
Bhagat Bani (1123-1124)
ਰਾਗੁ ਭੈਰਉ | Raag Bhairo
Gurbani (1125-1152)
Partaal (1153)
Ashtpadiyan (1153-1167)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਸੰਤੁ | Raag Basant
Gurbani (1168-1187)
Ashtpadiyan (1187-1193)
Vaar Basant (1193-1196)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਾਰਗ | Raag Saarag
Gurbani (1197-1200)
Partaal (1200-1231)
Ashtpadiyan (1232-1236)
Chhant (1236-1237)
Vaar Saarang (1237-1253)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਲਾਰ | Raag Malaar
Gurbani (1254-1293)
Partaal (1265-1273)
Ashtpadiyan (1273-1278)
Chhant (1278)
Vaar Malaar (1278-91)
Bhagat Bani (1292-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਾਨੜਾ | Raag Kaanraa
Gurbani (1294-96)
Partaal (1296-1318)
Ashtpadiyan (1308-1312)
Chhant (1312)
Vaar Kaanraa
Bhagat Bani (1318)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਲਿਆਨ | Raag Kalyaan
Gurbani (1319-23)
Ashtpadiyan (1323-26)
ਰਾਗੁ ਪ੍ਰਭਾਤੀ | Raag Prabhaatee
Gurbani (1327-1341)
Ashtpadiyan (1342-51)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਜਾਵੰਤੀ | Raag Jaijaiwanti
Gurbani (1352-53)
Salok | Gatha | Phunahe | Chaubole | Swayiye
Sehskritee Mahala 1
Sehskritee Mahala 5
Gaathaa Mahala 5
Phunhay Mahala 5
Chaubolae Mahala 5
Shaloks Bhagat Kabir
Shaloks Sheikh Farid
Swaiyyae Mahala 5
Swaiyyae in Praise of Gurus
Shaloks in Addition To Vaars
Shalok Ninth Mehl
Mundavanee Mehl 5
ਰਾਗ ਮਾਲਾ, Raag Maalaa
What's new
New posts
New media
New media comments
New resources
Latest activity
Videos
New media
New comments
Library
Latest reviews
Donate
Log in
Register
What's new
New posts
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Welcome to all New Sikh Philosophy Network Forums!
Explore Sikh Sikhi Sikhism...
Sign up
Log in
Discussions
Sikh Sikhi Sikhism
Fools Who Wrangle Over Flesh
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="Sinister" data-source="post: 89033" data-attributes="member: 2684"><p></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">Actually eating meat for the majority of humanity has and always will fall under the concept of “sarbat tha Bhalla”: some things that you do not understand.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">“Sustainable for the universe”; This is an interesting concept…the “sustainability” argument that you posit is both ethically and rationally bankrupt.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">Every activity and every industry that humanity participates in is currently “unsustainable". In order to understand this with more depth, a person must be familiar with the laws of thermodynamics. In order to recognize the importance of the livestock industry people must develop an intimate understanding of theories explaining reality, like; the 'Onsager reciprocal relations' or the 'Maximum Power Principle' theories.</span></span></p><p> </p><p> </p><p><img src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/00/MaximumPowerESL.gif" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p> </p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">Most people are woefully ignorant of the role that ‘meat eating’ has played in the development of modern day society and general human anatomical features (expansion of the brain):</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">Expanding on the Maximum Power Principle we come to the conclusion that energy storage is crucial to the survival of our species and it is our mastering of energy storage that has led humanity to dominate all fauna and flora. Humanity, even till today, utilizes livestock as a reservoir of our ‘hard earned energy’ (similar to a currency or any useful commodity). In times of extreme environmental conditions, sturdy livestock acted as the primary energy source to improve societies chances of survival...so that populations could move and penetrate all corners of the globe. The reason why livestock was developed is because it is a mobile energy storage unit (Q), which dramatically increased the survival capacity of semi-nomadic human groups (proto-agriculturalists). Granted, it can be deemed an inefficient storage unit, its existence is nonetheless mandatory (even today). The stability of this energy reservoir is a trade off of the energy losses.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">Consumption of Livestock is partly and directly/indirectly responsible for all modern developments in agriculture and other industries. It was livestock that helped plough/till/harvest fields, transport humans/grains and it was livestock that fed hungry families during times of shortages. It was the expanse of livestock that provided fertilization to exhausted soils (read up on the nitrogen cycle). </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">In the past, farmers could restore the fertility of their land by letting it lie fallow for several years or longer. But as population pressures increased, fallow periods declined or even disappeared and different ways of maintaining food production were needed: enter the animal. The organic fertilizer industry played a massive role in sustaining fields and in many poor areas it still does. </span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">The by-products of Livestock (leather, dung-cakes, wool, bones, hair, etc.) were of great importance to the development of industry and humanity. Whale oil helped light the streets of London for decades. Animal fat was used to make wax candles; the source of artificial light for much of human history. The dependence on a diminishing supply of whale oil eventually led to the discovery of substitute sources of hydrocarbons (paraffin, crude oil, natural gas, vegetable waxes, etc)…(necessity breeds innovation) The domestication of animals led to the study of animals and this has directly and indirectly made humanity into a super species…yet here we are thinking that the roll of consumable livestock has come or should come to an end?…when the true potential of this vital resource still lies mostly untapped by humans. </span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">The environmentalist arguments seem to stem from pessimism rather than optimism. They usually have a hyperactive tendency towards creating taboos in the name of false-altruism; it is insincere, at best. I view Altruism as an act of sharing innovation and information, which paves the way for increased efficiency and productivity. Enforcing conservation and harsh social engineering with the excuses of trying to construct an ethos of moral bravado has been proven fatal and unsustainble.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">Thanks but no thanks…to the kitchen police (I deny this fatalism). </span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">As a sikh; I will continue to eat meat for the good of humanity and for my health...so long as i can find it in the supermarket.</span></span></p><p> </p><p>c h e e r s</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Sinister, post: 89033, member: 2684"] [COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma]Actually eating meat for the majority of humanity has and always will fall under the concept of “sarbat tha Bhalla”: some things that you do not understand.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma]“Sustainable for the universe”; This is an interesting concept…the “sustainability” argument that you posit is both ethically and rationally bankrupt.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma]Every activity and every industry that humanity participates in is currently “unsustainable". In order to understand this with more depth, a person must be familiar with the laws of thermodynamics. In order to recognize the importance of the livestock industry people must develop an intimate understanding of theories explaining reality, like; the 'Onsager reciprocal relations' or the 'Maximum Power Principle' theories.[/FONT][/COLOR] [IMG]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/00/MaximumPowerESL.gif[/IMG] [COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma]Most people are woefully ignorant of the role that ‘meat eating’ has played in the development of modern day society and general human anatomical features (expansion of the brain):[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma]Expanding on the Maximum Power Principle we come to the conclusion that energy storage is crucial to the survival of our species and it is our mastering of energy storage that has led humanity to dominate all fauna and flora. Humanity, even till today, utilizes livestock as a reservoir of our ‘hard earned energy’ (similar to a currency or any useful commodity). In times of extreme environmental conditions, sturdy livestock acted as the primary energy source to improve societies chances of survival...so that populations could move and penetrate all corners of the globe. The reason why livestock was developed is because it is a mobile energy storage unit (Q), which dramatically increased the survival capacity of semi-nomadic human groups (proto-agriculturalists). Granted, it can be deemed an inefficient storage unit, its existence is nonetheless mandatory (even today). The stability of this energy reservoir is a trade off of the energy losses.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma]Consumption of Livestock is partly and directly/indirectly responsible for all modern developments in agriculture and other industries. It was livestock that helped plough/till/harvest fields, transport humans/grains and it was livestock that fed hungry families during times of shortages. It was the expanse of livestock that provided fertilization to exhausted soils (read up on the nitrogen cycle). [/FONT][/COLOR][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]In the past, farmers could restore the fertility of their land by letting it lie fallow for several years or longer. But as population pressures increased, fallow periods declined or even disappeared and different ways of maintaining food production were needed: enter the animal. The organic fertilizer industry played a massive role in sustaining fields and in many poor areas it still does. [/SIZE][/FONT] [COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma]The by-products of Livestock (leather, dung-cakes, wool, bones, hair, etc.) were of great importance to the development of industry and humanity. Whale oil helped light the streets of London for decades. Animal fat was used to make wax candles; the source of artificial light for much of human history. The dependence on a diminishing supply of whale oil eventually led to the discovery of substitute sources of hydrocarbons (paraffin, crude oil, natural gas, vegetable waxes, etc)…(necessity breeds innovation) The domestication of animals led to the study of animals and this has directly and indirectly made humanity into a super species…yet here we are thinking that the roll of consumable livestock has come or should come to an end?…when the true potential of this vital resource still lies mostly untapped by humans. [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma]The environmentalist arguments seem to stem from pessimism rather than optimism. They usually have a hyperactive tendency towards creating taboos in the name of false-altruism; it is insincere, at best. I view Altruism as an act of sharing innovation and information, which paves the way for increased efficiency and productivity. Enforcing conservation and harsh social engineering with the excuses of trying to construct an ethos of moral bravado has been proven fatal and unsustainble.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma]Thanks but no thanks…to the kitchen police (I deny this fatalism). [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma]As a sikh; I will continue to eat meat for the good of humanity and for my health...so long as i can find it in the supermarket.[/FONT][/COLOR] c h e e r s [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Discussions
Sikh Sikhi Sikhism
Fools Who Wrangle Over Flesh
This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
Accept
Learn more…
Top