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<blockquote data-quote="Randip Singh" data-source="post: 49567" data-attributes="member: 1323"><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><em>Sikh78910 this site is a site for grown ups, so please stop using teeny boppy language and debate like a civilised human being.</em></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><em>Let us continue:</em></span></span></p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">You do not understand the basic's of Sikhism, read what the basics of langaar are about. Read below:</span></span></p><p> </p><p><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">The reason why meat is not served at langar in the Gurdwaras is because langar is supposed to be a symbol of equality of mankind where all people no matter what race, religion or caste can eat together in the atmosphere of brotherhood. Hindu, Sikh, Muslim, it does not matter who they are. Different religions have different dietary restrictions. Hindus cannot eat cow, muslims cannot eat pork and will only eat halal meat. Jews will only eat kosher meat, others cannot eat fish or eggs. But in a gurdwara langar, it does not matter what their dietary taboos or religious beliefs are, the food is designed so that all can eat together and no one will be offended or not be able to partake of the meal.</span></span></em></p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">What Saints? What Sikh? Some of the Guru's ate meat some did not. Even vegetarians agree that Guru Nanak ate meat at Kurukshetra, however they come up with a half backed concocted Hindu Vaishnav explanation for it.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">The Saints you refer to usually AKJ, GNNSJ, Namdhari's have ties with Hindu Vaishnavism. Even the DT tell's people to respect the black cow (a Hindu Vaiashnav custom). There are links with these Sant Mat organisations and Vaishnav practices from the 1800's…..I can provide evidence. This Vaishnav practice as infected Sikhism………………where there was no division, people like you and your ilk who follow this practice have created it.</span></span></p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">The Guru's were <strong>not</strong> vegetarians, this much we know is clear. Even their descendents today the Bedi's and Sodhi's are not vegetarian, so where you have got this information from is beyond me. Show me verifiable evidence the Guru's were vegetarian, then we will believe you.</span></span></p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Taste argument is irrelevant. I love white channay and kheer and will eat that over any meat any day. I love the taste…………so maybe I should stop eating that vegetarian food?</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Just as your argument is flawed from the beginning so is your statement.</span></span></p><p> </p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Another irrelevant point.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Bani tells us plants suffer from pain……so you must be 100% wrong compared to my 50%: Page 143</span></span></p><p> </p><p style="text-align: center"><p style="text-align: center"><p style="text-align: center"><em><span style="color: #ee4000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">mehlaa 1.</span></span></em> </p> <p style="text-align: center"><em><span style="color: #ee4000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">vaykh je mithaa kati-aa kat kut baDhaa paa-ay.</span></span></em><span style="color: #ee4000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: #ee4000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><em>khundhaa andar rakh kai dayn so mal sajaa-ay.</em> </span></span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: #ee4000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><em>ras kas tatar paa-ee-ai tapai tai villaa-ay.</em> </span></span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: #ee4000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><em>bhee so fog samaalee-ai dichai ag jaalaa-ay.</em> </span></span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: #ee4000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><em>naanak mithai patree-ai vaykhhu lokaa aa-ay.</em></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: #ee4000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: #ee4000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><em>First Mehl:</em> </span></span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: #ee4000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><em>Look, and see how the sugar-cane is cut down. After cutting away its branches, its feet are bound together into bundles,</em> </span></span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: #ee4000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><em>and then, it is placed between the wooden rollers and crushed.</em> </span></span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: #ee4000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><em>What punishment is inflicted upon it! Its juice is extracted and placed in the cauldron; as it is heated, it groans and cries out.</em> </span></span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: #ee4000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><em>And then, the crushed cane is collected and burnt in the fire below.</em> </span></span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: #ee4000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><em>Nanak: come, people, and see how the sweet sugar-cane is treated!</em></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><strong><span style="color: #ff6600"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji</span></span></strong> </p> </p> </p><p></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Also we can be incarnated directly from plant to human: page 176</span></span></p><p> </p><p><em><span style="color: #ee4000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">In so many incarnations, you were rocks and mountains;</span></span></em><span style="color: #ee4000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> </span></span></p><p><span style="color: #ee4000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><em>in so many incarnations, you were aborted in the womb;</em> </span></span></p><p><span style="color: #ee4000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><em>in so many incarnations, you developed branches and leaves;</em> </span></span></p><p><span style="color: #ee4000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><em>you wandered through 8.4 million incarnations.</em> </span></span></p><p><span style="color: #ee4000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><em>Through the Saadh Sangat, the Company of the Holy, you obtained this human life</em></span></span></p><p> </p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><em>So it must follow we are eating something (a plant) that is one incarnation away from human life?</em></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><em>Surely that is a massive sin?</em></span></p><p> </p><p><strong>People like you do not understand the basics of spirituality. Guruji travelled thousands of miles, fought many battles, discoursed with the wisest, sacrificed their live and that of their children, endured hardships, undersstood the nature of the Universe, showed us how to live our lives, uplifted the poor, created equality, freeed women from bondage................and for what purpose? According to you to tell us whether we could eat KFC or not?</strong></p><p> </p><p><strong>Not is only what you say absured, but a slap in the face for Guruji!!! You denigrate the Sri Guru GRanth Sahib ji to a cheap restraunt menu. No wonder outsiders call us Sikh's think. We cannot even see the jewel in our midest without seeing it as a drumstick or a carrot!! Trully FOOLS!!!</strong></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Randip Singh, post: 49567, member: 1323"] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial][I]Sikh78910 this site is a site for grown ups, so please stop using teeny boppy language and debate like a civilised human being.[/I][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial][I] [/I][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial][I]Let us continue:[/I][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial][I] [/I][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]You do not understand the basic's of Sikhism, read what the basics of langaar are about. Read below:[/FONT][/COLOR] [I][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]The reason why meat is not served at langar in the Gurdwaras is because langar is supposed to be a symbol of equality of mankind where all people no matter what race, religion or caste can eat together in the atmosphere of brotherhood. Hindu, Sikh, Muslim, it does not matter who they are. Different religions have different dietary restrictions. Hindus cannot eat cow, muslims cannot eat pork and will only eat halal meat. Jews will only eat kosher meat, others cannot eat fish or eggs. But in a gurdwara langar, it does not matter what their dietary taboos or religious beliefs are, the food is designed so that all can eat together and no one will be offended or not be able to partake of the meal.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial][/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]What Saints? What Sikh? Some of the Guru's ate meat some did not. Even vegetarians agree that Guru Nanak ate meat at Kurukshetra, however they come up with a half backed concocted Hindu Vaishnav explanation for it.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]The Saints you refer to usually AKJ, GNNSJ, Namdhari's have ties with Hindu Vaishnavism. Even the DT tell's people to respect the black cow (a Hindu Vaiashnav custom). There are links with these Sant Mat organisations and Vaishnav practices from the 1800's…..I can provide evidence. This Vaishnav practice as infected Sikhism………………where there was no division, people like you and your ilk who follow this practice have created it.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR] [FONT=Arial][/FONT][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]The Guru's were [B]not[/B] vegetarians, this much we know is clear. Even their descendents today the Bedi's and Sodhi's are not vegetarian, so where you have got this information from is beyond me. Show me verifiable evidence the Guru's were vegetarian, then we will believe you.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR] [FONT=Arial][/FONT][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]Taste argument is irrelevant. I love white channay and kheer and will eat that over any meat any day. I love the taste…………so maybe I should stop eating that vegetarian food?[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]Just as your argument is flawed from the beginning so is your statement.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR] [FONT=Arial][/FONT][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]Another irrelevant point.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]Bani tells us plants suffer from pain……so you must be 100% wrong compared to my 50%: Page 143[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR] [CENTER][CENTER][CENTER][I][COLOR=#ee4000][FONT=Arial]mehlaa 1.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I][COLOR=#ee4000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][/CENTER] [CENTER][I][COLOR=#ee4000][FONT=Arial]vaykh je mithaa kati-aa kat kut baDhaa paa-ay.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I][COLOR=#ee4000][FONT=Arial] [I]khundhaa andar rakh kai dayn so mal sajaa-ay.[/I] [I]ras kas tatar paa-ee-ai tapai tai villaa-ay.[/I] [I]bhee so fog samaalee-ai dichai ag jaalaa-ay.[/I] [I]naanak mithai patree-ai vaykhhu lokaa aa-ay.[/I][/FONT][/COLOR][/CENTER] [CENTER][COLOR=#ee4000][FONT=Arial] [I]First Mehl:[/I] [I]Look, and see how the sugar-cane is cut down. After cutting away its branches, its feet are bound together into bundles,[/I] [I]and then, it is placed between the wooden rollers and crushed.[/I] [I]What punishment is inflicted upon it! Its juice is extracted and placed in the cauldron; as it is heated, it groans and cries out.[/I] [I]And then, the crushed cane is collected and burnt in the fire below.[/I] [I]Nanak: come, people, and see how the sweet sugar-cane is treated![/I][/FONT][/COLOR][/CENTER] [CENTER][B][COLOR=#ff6600][FONT=Arial]Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][COLOR=#ff6600][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][FONT=Arial][/FONT][/CENTER][/CENTER] [/CENTER] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]Also we can be incarnated directly from plant to human: page 176[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR] [I][COLOR=#ee4000][FONT=Arial]In so many incarnations, you were rocks and mountains;[/FONT][/COLOR][/I][COLOR=#ee4000][FONT=Arial] [I]in so many incarnations, you were aborted in the womb;[/I] [I]in so many incarnations, you developed branches and leaves;[/I] [I]you wandered through 8.4 million incarnations.[/I] [I]Through the Saadh Sangat, the Company of the Holy, you obtained this human life[/I][/FONT][/COLOR] [I][COLOR=#ee4000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=#ee4000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [FONT=Arial][I]So it must follow we are eating something (a plant) that is one incarnation away from human life?[/I][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][I] [/I][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][I]Surely that is a massive sin?[/I][/FONT][FONT=Arial][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT] [B]People like you do not understand the basics of spirituality. Guruji travelled thousands of miles, fought many battles, discoursed with the wisest, sacrificed their live and that of their children, endured hardships, undersstood the nature of the Universe, showed us how to live our lives, uplifted the poor, created equality, freeed women from bondage................and for what purpose? According to you to tell us whether we could eat KFC or not?[/B] [B]Not is only what you say absured, but a slap in the face for Guruji!!! You denigrate the Sri Guru GRanth Sahib ji to a cheap restraunt menu. No wonder outsiders call us Sikh's think. We cannot even see the jewel in our midest without seeing it as a drumstick or a carrot!! Trully FOOLS!!![/B] [/QUOTE]
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