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<blockquote data-quote="sikh78910" data-source="post: 49529" data-attributes="member: 3602"><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'verdana'"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><a href="http://www.panthic.org/news/129/ARTICLE/2910/2006-11-22.html" target="_blank"><strong>ttha ? (Part 1)</strong></a></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'verdana'"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><a href="http://www.panthic.org/news/129/ARTICLE/2910/2006-11-22.html" target="_blank"></a></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'verdana'"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">"Everything is life! Microorganisms are in water, air etc. When you drink water, cut vegetables, or chop down wheat, you are taking the lives of living things. Is it murder and killing? Who says there is difference in life... there is killing in cutting vegetables which have a souls as with an animal."</span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'verdana'"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'verdana'"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'verdana'"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></span></span></p><p style="text-align: center"></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'verdana'"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: #993300"><strong>(Left) A farmer cutting crops, (right) a butcher cutting the throat of sheep</strong></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'verdana'"> <span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">Everyday we kill countless organisms just through breathing or stepping, but that is much different than Kuttha. Kuttha is the meat of an animal that has been 'butchered' and then 'intentionally' eaten. </span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'verdana'"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">The reason why a Sikh doesn't eat meat is not related to 'ahimsaa' or "respect for all life" like the Jains. The reason is 'daya'. Mercy evaporates when we butcher and eat meat. A carrot may have life but it will never run away screaming when you go to the garden to get it. Guru Sahib is clear in Gurbani that life must sustain itself on life. There is no lack of mercy or daya (mercy) excercised when cutting a vegetable as it does not reacts to being cut. Contrast that with animals. These animals beg and cry and little calves cling to their mothers in terror when they sense they will be slaughtered. The word "gardener" has no pejorative connotation. The word "butcher" on the other hand stands for someone who has no mercy. If one's heart doesn't melt at seeing the shrieks and anguish of animals, why would it matter when a human does the same? Why is it Muslims can do Halal on humans? It's because they have so much experience with animals that the jerking, gasping of dying animals and blood is something usual for them. A butcher will have the heart of a butcher. A butcher can never be a 'Dharmi' (spiritually pious) person. </span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'verdana'"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">The concept of "Jhatka" as it is known today is a Hindu one borrowed from the Rajputs who still do it today and have done it for ages before the Sikhs. Proponents of this practice explain this concept as a "Singh" cutting the head of a goat with one blow while shouting a Jaikara (the cry of "Sat Sri Akal" (God is True)). But in Gurbani we are faced with the question: </span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'verdana'"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">ਜੀਅ ਬਧਹੁ ਸੁ ਧਰਮੁ ਕਰਿ ਥਾਪਹੁ ਅਧਰਮੁ ਕਹਹੁ ਕਤ ਭਾਈ ॥</span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'verdana'"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">ਆਪਸ ਕਉ ਮੁਨਿਵਰ ਕਰਿ ਥਾਪਹੁ ਕਾ ਕਉ ਕਹਹੁ ਕਸਾਈ ॥2॥</span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'verdana'"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'verdana'"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><em>"You kill living beings, and call it a righteous action. Tell me, brother, what would you call an unrighteous action? If you religious people are doing "religious" killing for meat, then what is A-dharam (atheism)? If you are a religious person then whom will we call a butcher? ||2||" </em></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'verdana'"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><em>(Ang 1103)</em></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'verdana'"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">"Doctors say eating meat is healthy - you get vitamins and good things - so there are benefits in eating meat, like with anything its about how much you eat."</span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'verdana'"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">The health aspect we all know and there are lots of resources on the Internet on this issue. One site, which highlights the main risks of eating meat, is: </span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'verdana'"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'verdana'"><a href="http://www.healthandgoodness.com/nutritiondiet/health_risks_meat.html" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">http://www.healthandgoodness.com/nutritiondiet/health_risks_meat.html</span></span></a><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">. </span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'verdana'"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">Meat is disease-ridden and is a dirty thing to eat. </span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'verdana'"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'verdana'"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'verdana'"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></span></span></p><p style="text-align: center"></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'verdana'"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: #993300"><strong>Dead rotten carcasses of pigs ready to processed as meat</strong></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'verdana'"> <span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">Gurbani tells us:</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'verdana'"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">ਬਾਬਾ ਹੋਰੁ ਖਾਣਾ ਖੁਸੀ ਖੁਆਰੁ ॥</span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'verdana'"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">ਜਿਤੁ ਖਾਧੈ ਤਨੁ ਪੀੜੀਐ ਮਨ ਮਹਿ ਚਲਹਿ ਵਿਕਾਰ ॥1॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥</span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'verdana'"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'verdana'"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><em>"O Baba, the pleasures of other foods are false. Eating which, the body is ruined (i.e. are unhealthy), and wickedness and corruption enter into the mind. ||1||Pause||"</em></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'verdana'"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><em>(Ang 16)</em></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'verdana'"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">The fact is that a human's own flesh is exactly like that of meat. Observing surgery or perusing internal medicine books, one notes that we are the same substance. That's why Guru Nanak Sahib jee has said not to hate meat. We are meat. But at the same time we cannot eat it because it would be like eating a dead body. It's foul and really unthinkable.</span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'verdana'"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'verdana'"> </span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="sikh78910, post: 49529, member: 3602"] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=verdana][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2][URL='http://www.panthic.org/news/129/ARTICLE/2910/2006-11-22.html'][B]ttha ? (Part 1)[/B] [/URL] "Everything is life! Microorganisms are in water, air etc. When you drink water, cut vegetables, or chop down wheat, you are taking the lives of living things. Is it murder and killing? Who says there is difference in life... there is killing in cutting vegetables which have a souls as with an animal." [/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [CENTER] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=verdana][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2][SIZE=1][COLOR=#993300][B](Left) A farmer cutting crops, (right) a butcher cutting the throat of sheep[/B][/COLOR][/SIZE][/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR][/CENTER] [FONT=verdana] [FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]Everyday we kill countless organisms just through breathing or stepping, but that is much different than Kuttha. Kuttha is the meat of an animal that has been 'butchered' and then 'intentionally' eaten. [/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=verdana] [FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]The reason why a Sikh doesn't eat meat is not related to 'ahimsaa' or "respect for all life" like the Jains. The reason is 'daya'. Mercy evaporates when we butcher and eat meat. A carrot may have life but it will never run away screaming when you go to the garden to get it. Guru Sahib is clear in Gurbani that life must sustain itself on life. There is no lack of mercy or daya (mercy) excercised when cutting a vegetable as it does not reacts to being cut. Contrast that with animals. These animals beg and cry and little calves cling to their mothers in terror when they sense they will be slaughtered. The word "gardener" has no pejorative connotation. The word "butcher" on the other hand stands for someone who has no mercy. If one's heart doesn't melt at seeing the shrieks and anguish of animals, why would it matter when a human does the same? Why is it Muslims can do Halal on humans? It's because they have so much experience with animals that the jerking, gasping of dying animals and blood is something usual for them. A butcher will have the heart of a butcher. A butcher can never be a 'Dharmi' (spiritually pious) person. [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]The concept of "Jhatka" as it is known today is a Hindu one borrowed from the Rajputs who still do it today and have done it for ages before the Sikhs. Proponents of this practice explain this concept as a "Singh" cutting the head of a goat with one blow while shouting a Jaikara (the cry of "Sat Sri Akal" (God is True)). But in Gurbani we are faced with the question: ਜੀਅ ਬਧਹੁ ਸੁ ਧਰਮੁ ਕਰਿ ਥਾਪਹੁ ਅਧਰਮੁ ਕਹਹੁ ਕਤ ਭਾਈ ॥ ਆਪਸ ਕਉ ਮੁਨਿਵਰ ਕਰਿ ਥਾਪਹੁ ਕਾ ਕਉ ਕਹਹੁ ਕਸਾਈ ॥2॥ [I]"You kill living beings, and call it a righteous action. Tell me, brother, what would you call an unrighteous action? If you religious people are doing "religious" killing for meat, then what is A-dharam (atheism)? If you are a religious person then whom will we call a butcher? ||2||" [/I] [I](Ang 1103)[/I][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]"Doctors say eating meat is healthy - you get vitamins and good things - so there are benefits in eating meat, like with anything its about how much you eat." The health aspect we all know and there are lots of resources on the Internet on this issue. One site, which highlights the main risks of eating meat, is: [/SIZE][/FONT] [URL='http://www.healthandgoodness.com/nutritiondiet/health_risks_meat.html'][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]http://www.healthandgoodness.com/nutritiondiet/health_risks_meat.html[/SIZE][/FONT][/URL][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]. Meat is disease-ridden and is a dirty thing to eat. [/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [CENTER] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=verdana][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2][SIZE=1][COLOR=#993300][B]Dead rotten carcasses of pigs ready to processed as meat[/B][/COLOR][/SIZE][/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR][/CENTER] [FONT=verdana] [FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]Gurbani tells us:[/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=verdana][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]ਬਾਬਾ ਹੋਰੁ ਖਾਣਾ ਖੁਸੀ ਖੁਆਰੁ ॥ ਜਿਤੁ ਖਾਧੈ ਤਨੁ ਪੀੜੀਐ ਮਨ ਮਹਿ ਚਲਹਿ ਵਿਕਾਰ ॥1॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ [I]"O Baba, the pleasures of other foods are false. Eating which, the body is ruined (i.e. are unhealthy), and wickedness and corruption enter into the mind. ||1||Pause||"[/I] [I](Ang 16)[/I][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]The fact is that a human's own flesh is exactly like that of meat. Observing surgery or perusing internal medicine books, one notes that we are the same substance. That's why Guru Nanak Sahib jee has said not to hate meat. We are meat. But at the same time we cannot eat it because it would be like eating a dead body. It's foul and really unthinkable. [/SIZE][/FONT] [/FONT][/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
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