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<blockquote data-quote="Randip Singh" data-source="post: 110063" data-attributes="member: 1323"><p><strong>Re: Meat and Eggs</strong></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No it does not!</p><p> </p><p></p><p></p><p>Wrong on all accounts.</p><p></p><p>Typical one liners and mistranslations. See this:</p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><u>FOREWARD</u> </span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">The authors of this paper (one a vegetarian and one meat eating Sikh) wrangled hard with their own common sense which told them, dont be a fool and start wrangling over an issue which our great Gurus dismissed as not worthy of discussion. We did however feel as amateur Sikh Historians and commentators on Sikh affairs that we should use our knowledge and experience to clarify what is such a controversial issue. This essay out to be objective as possible but we ourselves probably taking one side as we waded through the arguments and counter arguments produced by vegetarian and meat eating Sikhs. One thing that has incensed us is the use of incorrect History and mistranslation to back up arguments. It was these points that we felt needed clarification and we hope the reader will find that this essay does that. </span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Mistranslation and Misrepresentation of The Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji </span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Some of the tukhs of the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji that are often mistranslated are as follows: </span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">1. Those mortals who consume marijuana, flesh and wine - no matter what pilgrimages, fasts and rituals they follow, they will all go to hell. (SGGS p1377)</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></em> <em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">2. You kill living beings and worship lifeless things, at your very last moment, You will suffer terrible pain. (SGGS p332)</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></em> <em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">3. Do not say that the Vedas are false, false are those who do not reflect. If in all is one god, then why does one kill the hen ? (SGGS p1350)</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></em> <em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">4. Bhagat Kabir says, that the best food is eating kichree (daal/lentils) where nectar sweet is the salt. You eat hunted meat, but which animal is willing to have their head cut ? (SGGS p1374)</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></em> <em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">5. In this dark age of Kali Yuga, people have faces like dogs; They eat rotting dead bodies for food. (SGGS p1242)</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></em> <em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">6. Falsehood is my dagger and to eat by defrauding is meat.</span></span></em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> (Guru Nanak Dev Ji. Sri Raaj p24)</span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span> <em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">7. Avarice is a dog, falsehood the sweeper and cheating the eating of meat. </span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">(Guru Nanak Dev Ji. Sri Raag p15) </span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span> <span style="color: yellow"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: blue">Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji</span> </span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"></span></span><p style="text-align: center"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Let us analyse each one of these one by one. </span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"> </span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><strong>1. Those mortals who consume marijuana, flesh and wine - no matter what pilgrimages, fasts and rituals they follow, they will all go to hell. (SGGS p1337)</strong></span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">In this instance let us firstly add the Gurmukhi with the English: </span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">mukat padaarath paa-ee-ai thaak na avghat ghaat.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">231 </span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">kabeer ayk gharhee aaDhee gharee aaDhee hooN tay aaDh.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">bhagtan saytee gostay jo keenay so laabh.</span></span></em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> 232 </span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">kabeer bhaaNg maachhulee suraa paan jo jo paraanee khaaNhi.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">tirath barat naym kee-ay tay sabhai rasaatal jaaNhi.</span></span></em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> 233</span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">neechay lo-in kar raha-o lay saajan ghat maahi.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">sabh ras khayla-o pee-a sa-o kisee lakhaava-o naahi.</span></span></em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> 234 </span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">aath jaam cha-usath gharee tu-a nirkhat rahai jee-o.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">neechay lo-in ki-o kara-o sabh ghat daykh-a-u pee-o.</span></span></em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> 235 </span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">sun sakhee pee-a meh jee-o basai jee-a meh basai ke pee-o.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">jee-o pee-o boojha-o nahee ghat meh jee-o ke pee-o.</span></span></em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> 236 </span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">kabeer baaman guroo hai jagat kaa bhagtan kaa gur naahi.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">arajh urajh kai pach moo-aa chaara-o baydahu maahi.</span></span></em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">237 </span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">har hai khaaNd rayt meh bikhree haathee chunee na jaa-ay.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">kahi kabeer gur bhalee bujhaa-ee keetee ho-ay kai khaa-ay.</span></span></em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> 238 </span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">kabeer ja-o tuhi saaDh piramm kee sees kaat kar go-ay.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">khaylat khaylat haal kar jo kichh ho-ay ta ho-ay.</span></span></em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> 239 </span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">kabeer ja-o tuhi saaDh piramm kee paakay saytee khayl.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">kaachee sarsa-uN payl kai naa khal bha-ee na tayl.</span></span></em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">240 </span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">dhooNdhat doleh anDh gat ar cheenat naahee sant.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">kahi naamaa ki-o paa-ee-ai bin bhagtahu bhagvant.</span></span></em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> 241 </span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">har so heeraa chhaad kai karahi aan kee aas.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">tay nar dojak jaahigay sat bhaakhai ravidaas.</span></span></em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> 242 </span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">kabeer ja-o garihu karahi ta Dharam kar naahee ta kar bairaag.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">bairaagee banDhan karai taa ko bado abhaag.</span></span></em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> 243 </span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">He obtains the treasure of liberation, and the difficult road to the Lord is not blocked.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">231</span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Kabeer, whether is is for an hour, half an hour, or half of that,</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">whatever it is, it is worthwhile to speak with the Holy.</span></span></em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> 232</span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Kabeer, those mortals who consume marijuana, fish and wine -</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">no matter what pilgrimages, fasts and rituals they follow, they will all go to hell.</span></span></em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> 233</span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Kabeer, I keep my eyes lowered, and enshrine my Friend within my heart.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">I enjoy all pleasures with my Beloved, but I do not let anyone else know.</span></span></em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">234</span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Twenty-four hours a day, every hour, my soul continues to look to You, O Lord.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Why should I keep my eyes lowered? I see my Beloved in every heart.</span></span></em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> 235</span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Listen, O my companions: my soul dwells in my Beloved, and my Beloved dwells in my soul.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">I realize that there is no difference between my soul and my Beloved; I cannot tell whether my </span></span></em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">soul or my Beloved dwells in my heart.<em> 236</em></span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Kabeer, the Brahmin may be the guru of the world, but he is not the Guru of the devotees.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">He rots and dies in the perplexities of the four Vedas.</span></span></em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> 237</span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">The Lord is like sugar, scattered in the sand; the elephant cannot pick it up.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Says Kabeer, the Guru has given me this sublime understanding: become an ant, and feed on it.</span></span></em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> 238</span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Kabeer, if you desire to play the game of love with the Lord, then cut off your head, and make it into a ball.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Lose yourself in the play of it, and then whatever will be, will be.</span></span></em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> 239</span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Kabeer, if you desire to play the game of love with the Lord, play it with someone with committment.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Pressing the unripe mustard seeds produces neither oil nor flour.</span></span></em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> 240</span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Searching, the mortal stumbles like a blind person, and does not recognize the Saint.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Says Naam Dayv, how can one obtain the Lord God, without His devotee?</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"></span></span><p style="text-align: center"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Taking out the sentence we see </span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"> </span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">kabeer bhaaNg maachhulee suraa paan jo jo paraanee khaaNhi.</span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Kabeer, those mortals who consume marijuana, fish and wine – </span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">tirath barat naym kee-ay tay sabhai rasaatal jaaNhi. 233</span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">no matter what pilgrimages, fasts and rituals they follow, they will all go to hell. 233</span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: yellow"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: blue">Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji</span> </span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Firstly note that maachlee is not flesh, but is indeed fish. The word in Punjabi for flesh is maas. Then secondly one must ask, why is there a forbidding in the consumption of fish specifically. The answer lies in reading the entire paragraph and a picture emerges. In the last two lines the statement is made: </span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">kabeer ja-o garihu karahi ta Dharam kar naahee ta kar bairaag. </span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Kabeer, if you live the householder's life, then practice righteousness; otherwise, you might as well retire from the world. </span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">bairaagee banDhan karai taa ko bado abhaag. 243 </span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">If someone renounces the world, and then gets involved in worldly entanglements, he shall suffer terrible misfortune. 243</span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: yellow"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: blue">Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji</span> </span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Now putting this in its entire context what Bhagat Kabir is actually criticising in the rich and those in power. The thrill seekers, who are addicted to their senses and those addicted to the 5 thieves. Kabir was born around the area of Benares, and was brought up in a poor Muslim weavers family. He saw the excesses of the rich around him, while the poor starved. Foods like fish and wine were associated with the rich who had an excessive disposable income. Marijuana was associated with either idol people or those who had time and money to waste. Kabir abhorred this, and this statement is a social comment about the excesses of the rich. At the end he clearly states, that those people who do their duties as householders (i.e. work hard, care for other etc) are the ones who will be liberated, and those who live by excesses will suffer. One cantherefore clearly see that this is in no way a comment about eating meat (because of mistranslation) or about avoiding certain foods (as has been misrepresented). </span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><strong>2. You kill living beings and worship lifeless things, at your very last moment, You will suffer terrible pain. (SGGS p332)</strong></span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Again let us put this into its correct context: </span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">ik-oNkaar satgur parsaad.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">jeevat pitar na maanai ko-oo moo-ayN siraaDh karaahee.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">pitar bhee bapuray kaho ki-o paavahi ka-oo-aa kookar khaahee.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black">Source:: Sikh Philosophy Network <a href="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/8828-fools-who-wrangle-over-flesh.html" target="_blank">http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=8828 (Fools Who Wrangle Over Flesh)</a></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">mo ka-o kusal bataavhu ko-ee.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">kusal kusal kartay jag binsai kusal bhee kaisay ho-ee.</span></span></em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> rahaa-o. </span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">maatee kay kar dayvee dayvaa tis aagai jee-o dayhee.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">aisay pitar tumaaray kahee-ahi aapan kahi-aa na layhee.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">sarjee-o kaateh nirjee-o poojeh ant kaal ka-o bhaaree.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">raam naam kee gat nahee jaanee bhai doobay sansaaree.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">dayvee dayvaa poojeh doleh paarbarahm nahee jaanaa.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">kahat kabeer akul nahee chayti-aa bikhi-aa si-o laptaanaa.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">One Universal Creator God. By The Grace Of The True Guru:</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">He does not honor his ancestors while they are alive, but he holds feasts in their honor after they have died.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Tell me, how can his poor ancestors receive what the crows and the dogs have eaten up?</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">If only someone would tell me what real happiness is!</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Speaking of happiness and joy, the world is perishing. How can happiness be found?</span></span></em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Pause </span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Making gods and goddesses out of clay, people sacrifice living beings to them.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Such are your dead ancestors, who cannot ask for what they want.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">You murder living beings and worship lifeless things; at your very last moment, you shall suffer in terrible pain.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">You do not know the value of the Lord's Name; you shall drown in the terrifying world-ocean.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">You worship gods and goddesses, but you do not know the Supreme Lord God.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Says Kabeer, you have not remembered the Lord who has no ancestors; you are clinging to your corrupt ways.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: yellow"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: blue">Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji</span> </span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Quite clearly when put into context this is nothing to do with meat eating. What is being alluded to is Hindu sacrificial rituals (eg Anustarani </span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><a href="http://www.sanskrit.org/www/Rites%20of%20Passage/ancestors2.html" target="_blank"><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">http://www.sanskrit.org/www/Rites%20of%20Passage/ancestors2.html</span></span></a></span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">) where animals were sacrificed on the funeral pyre, ancestors or to deities. Yet the Brahmins who performed these rituals were themselves devout vegetarians. This is a comment about the futility of animal sacrifices to stone idols and dead ancestors. It is a comment on hypocrisy. </span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><strong>3. Do not say that the Vedas are false, false are those who do not reflect. If in all is one god, then why does one kill the hen ? (SGGS p1350)</strong></span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Again, let us put this into context: </span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">bayd katayb kahhu mat jhoothay jhoothaa jo na bichaarai.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">ja-o sabh meh ayk khudaa-ay kahat ha-o ta-o ki-o murgee maarai.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">mulaaN kahhu ni-aa-o khudaa-ee.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">tayray man kaa bharam na jaa-ee.</span></span></em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> rahaa-o.</span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">pakar jee-o aani-aa dayh binaasee maatee ka-o bismil kee-aa.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">jot saroop anaahat laagee kaho halaal ki-aa kee-aa.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">ki-aa ujoo paak kee-aa muhu Dho-i-aa ki-aa maseet sir laa-i-aa.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">ja-o dil meh kapat nivaaj gujaarahu ki-aa haj kaabai jaa-i-aa.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">tooN naapaak paak nahee soojhi-aa tis kaa maram na jaani-aa.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">kahi kabeer bhisat tay chookaa dojak si-o man maani-aa.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Do not say that the Vedas, the Bible and the Koran are false. Those who do not contemplate them are false.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">You say that the One Lord is in all, so why do you kill chickens?</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">O Mullah, tell me: is this God's Justice?</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">The doubts of your mind have not been dispelled.</span></span></em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> Pause</span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">You seize a living creature, and then bring it home and kill its body; you have killed only the clay.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">The light of the soul passes into another form. So tell me, what have you killed?</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">And what good are your purifications? Why do you bother to wash your face? And why do you bother to bow your head in the mosque?</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Your heart is full of hypocrisy; what good are your prayers or your pilgrimage to Mecca?</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">You are impure; you do not understand the Pure Lord. You do not know His Mystery.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Says Kabeer, you have missed out on paradise; your mind is set on hell.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: yellow"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: blue">Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji</span> </span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">First point to note is that </span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><a href="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/index.php?title=Halaal" target="_blank"><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">halaal</span></span></a></span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> and </span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><a href="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/index.php?title=Bismil" target="_blank"><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">bismil</span></span></a></span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">, does not mean kill but refers to a specific form of ritual slaughter. Put into context this is a comment on the Muslim sacrifice ritual where either a goat or a chicken is kept in the confines of the home and then ritually slaughtered as obeisance to Abraham. Kabeer is mocking the futility of this ritual and saying, that why are you doing this sacrifice just to emulate Gods asking of Abraham to kill his only son? It is a futile gesture that will not sway God. Abraham was sacrificing his son to God, however all the sacrifice in this instance has achieved is destruction of the outer shell of the chicken. The soul wont travel to God, but merely to another form. One can only understand this if one has a basic grasp of history. In this instance the person who tried to use this tukh as an anti-meat quotation was unaware of the Koranic context and had an extremely poor knowledge of Semitic history. </span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><strong>4. Bhagat Kabir says, that the best food is eating kichree (daal/lentils) where nectar sweet is the salt. You eat hunted meat, but which animal is willing to have their head cut ? (SGGS p1374)</strong></span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Let us add this to the correct context: </span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">oraa gar paanee bha-i-aa jaa-ay mili-o dhal kool.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">kabeeraa Dhoor sakayl kai puree-aa baaNDhee dayh.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">divas chaar ko paykhnaa ant khayh kee khayh.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">kabeer sooraj chaaNd kai udai bha-ee sabh dayh.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">gur gobind kay bin milay palat bha-ee sabh khayh.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">jah anbha-o tah bhai nahee jah bha-o tah har naahi.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">kahi-o kabeer bichaar kai sant sunhu man maahi.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">kabeer jinahu kichhoo jaani-aa nahee tin sukh need bihaa-ay.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">hamhu jo boojhaa boojhnaa pooree paree balaa-ay.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">laagee chot maramm kee rahi-o kabeeraa tha-ur.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">kabeer chot suhaylee sayl kee laagat lay-ay usaas.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">chot sahaarai sabad kee taas guroo mai daas.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">kabeer mulaaN munaaray ki-aa chadheh saaN-ee na bahraa ho-ay.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">jaa kaaran tooN baaNg deh dil hee bheetar jo-ay.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">saykh sabooree baahraa ki-aa haj kaabay jaa-ay.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">kabeer jaa kee dil saabat nahee taa ka-o kahaaN khudaa-ay.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">kabeer alah kee kar bandagee jih simrat dukh jaa-ay.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">dil meh saaN-ee pargatai bujhai balantee naaN-ay.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">kabeer joree kee-ay julam hai kahtaa naa-o halaal.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">daftar laykhaa maaNgee-ai tab ho-igo ka-un havaal.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">kabeer khoob khaanaa kheechree jaa meh amrit lon.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">hayraa rotee kaarnay galaa kataavai ka-un.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">kabeer gur laagaa tab jaanee-ai mitai moh tan taap.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">harakh sog daajhai nahee tab har aapeh aap.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">kabeer raam kahan meh bhayd hai taa meh ayk bichaar.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">so-ee raam sabhai kaheh so-ee ka-utakhaar.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">kabeer raamai raam kaho kahibay maahi bibayk.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">ayk anaykeh mil ga-i-aa ayk samaanaa ayk.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">kab</span></span></em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">eer jaa ghar saaDh na sayvee-ah har kee sayvaa naahi<em>.</em></span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">tay ghar marhat saarkhay bhoot baseh tin maahi.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">kabeer goongaa hoo-aa baavraa bahraa hoo-aa kaan.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">paavhu tay pingul bha-i-aa maari-aa satgur baan.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">kabeer satgur soormay baahi-aa baan jo ayk.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">laagat hee bhu-ay gir pari-aa paraa karayjay chhayk.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">kabeer nirmal boond akaas kee par ga-ee bhoom bikaar.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">The hail-stone has melted into water, and flowed into the ocean.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Kabeer, the body is a pile of dust, collected and packed together.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">It is a show which lasts for only a few days, and then dust returns to dust.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Kabeer, bodies are like the rising and setting of the sun and the moon.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Without meeting the Guru, the Lord of the Universe, they are all reduced to dust again.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Where the Fearless Lord is, there is no fear; where there is fear, the Lord is not there.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Kabeer speaks after careful consideration; hear this, O Saints, in your minds.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Kabeer, those who do not know anything, pass their lives in peaceful sleep.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">But I have understood the riddle; I am faced with all sorts of troubles.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Struck by the Mystery of God, Kabeer remains silent.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Kabeer, the stroke of a lance is easy to bear; it takes away the breath.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">But one who endures the stroke of the Word of the Shabad is the Guru, and I am his slave.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Kabeer: O Mullah, why do you climb to the top of the minaret? The Lord is not hard of hearing.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Look within your own heart for the One, for whose sake you shout your prayers.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Why does the Shaykh bother to go on pilgrimage to Mecca, if he is not content with himself?</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Kabeer, one whose heart is not healthy and whole - how can he attain his Lord?</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Kabeer, worship the Lord Allah; meditating in remembrance on Him, troubles and pains depart.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">The Lord shall be revealed within your own heart, and the burning fire within shall be extinguished by His Name.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Kabeer, to use force is tyranny, even if you call it legal.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">When your account is called for in the Court of the Lord, what will your condition be then?</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Kabeer, the dinner of beans and rice is excellent, if it is flavored with salt.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Who would cut his throat, to have meat with his bread?</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Kabeer, one is known to have been touched by the Guru, only when his emotional attachment and physical illnesses are eradicated.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">He is not burned by pleasure or pain, and so he becomes the Lord Himself.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Kabeer, it does make a difference, how you chant the Lord's Name, 'Raam'. This is something to consider.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Everyone uses the same word for the son of Dasrath and the Wondrous Lord.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Kabeer, use the word 'Raam', only to speak of the All-pervading Lord. You must make that distinction.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">One 'Raam' is pervading everywhere, while the other is contained only in himself.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Kabeer, those houses in which neither the Holy nor the Lord are served â€"</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">those houses are like cremation grounds; demons dwell within them.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Kabeer, I have become mute, insane and deaf.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">I am crippled - the True Guru has pierced me with His Arrow.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Kabeer, the True Guru, the Spiritual Warrior, has shot me with His Arrow.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">As soon as it struck me, I fell to the ground, with a hole in my heart.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Kabeer, the pure drop of water falls from the sky, onto the dirty ground.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: yellow"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: blue">Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji</span> </span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"></span></span><p style="text-align: center"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">At one level this is a mistranslation and at another misrepresentation of the context within which this is written: </span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"> </span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">kabeer khoob khaanaa kheechree jaa meh amrit lon.</span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Kabeer, the dinner of beans and rice is excellent, if it is flavored with salt. </span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">hayraa rotee kaarnay galaa kataavai ka-un. </span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Who would cut his throat, to have meat with his bread? </span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: yellow"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: blue">Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji</span> </span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">In the above Gurmukhi, there is no mention of meat whatsoever. <em>hayraa rotee kaarnay galaa kataavai ka-un</em>, means literally, who would cut their own throat to eat food. The person who has tried to translate this has added his/her own spin .What this is actually saying is that to the follower of the Guru or one who has been touched by God a simple dish of Kheechree (lentils and rice), flavoured with salt is enough. To have something more exotic to eat you would not cut your own throat (the western equivalent would be to cut your own nose off to spite your face). In no way is this tukh anything to do with meat eating and the person who has misrepresented and mistranslated it should be held to account for his/her actions. </span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><strong>5.In this dark age of Kali Yuga, people have faces like dogs; They eat rotting dead bodies for food. (SGGS p1242)</strong></span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Again, let us put this into context: </span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">salok mehlaa 1.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">kal ho-ee kutay muhee khaaj ho-aa murdaar.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">koorh bol bol bha-ukanaa chookaa Dharam beechaar.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">jin jeevandi-aa pat nahee mu-i-aa mandee so-ay.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">likhi-aa hovai naankaa kartaa karay so ho-ay.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Shalok, First Mehl:</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">In this Dark Age of Kali Yuga, people have faces like dogs; they eat rotting carcasses for food.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">They bark and speak, telling only lies; all thought of righteousness has left them.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Those who have no honor while alive, will have an evil reputation after they die.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Whatever is predestined, happens, O Nanak; whatever the Creator does, comes to pass.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: yellow"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: blue">Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji</span> </span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">At first glance one notices that this paragraph is clearly a metaphor for people who behave like dogs. The dog is a scavenger, hunts in packs, fights within its pack, eats practically anything it can find etc etc. This entire Ang talks about people greed and those that lack honour when they are alive. </span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">The second point to note is the mistranslation. Murdaar is not the word for meat. Murdaar is a reference to people who are dead. In other words people are acting so much like dogs that when people have died they gather round to get as much as they can. A good analogy would be inheritance, where is some instances people try and contest them or try and grab for themselves as much as they can. In India, it has not been unusual to murder siblings of inheritance disputes. In fact the word Murder in the English language has come from the word Murdaar. </span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">6. Falsehood is my dagger and to eat by defrauding is meat.</span></span></strong></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><strong></strong> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><strong>(Guru Nanak Dev Ji. Sri Raaj p24 </strong></span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Let us again see this in context: </span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">sireeraag mehlaa 1 ghar 4.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">ayk su-aan du-ay su-aanee naal.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">bhalkay bha-ukahi sadaa ba-i-aal.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">koorh chhuraa muthaa murdaar.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Dhaanak roop rahaa kartaar.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">mai pat kee pand na karnee kee kaar.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">ha-o bigrhai roop rahaa bikraal.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">tayraa ayk naam taaray sansaar.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">mai ayhaa aas ayho aaDhaar.</span></span></em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> rahaa-o. </span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">mukh nindaa aakhaa din raat.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">par ghar johee neech sanaat.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">kaam kroDh tan vaseh chandaal</span></span></em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">.</span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Dhaanak roop rahaa kartaar.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">faahee surat malookee vays.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">ha-o thagvaarhaa thagee days.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">kharaa si-aanaa bahutaa bhaar.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Dhaanak roop rahaa kartaar.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">mai keetaa na jaataa haraamkhor.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">ha-o ki-aa muhu daysaa dusat chor.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">naanak neech kahai beechaar.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Dhaanak roop rahaa kartaar.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Siree Raag, First Mehl, Fourth House:</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">The dogs of greed are with me.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">In the early morning, they continually bark at the wind.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Falsehood is my dagger; through deception, I eat the carcasses of the dead.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">I live as a wild hunter, O Creator!</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">I have not followed good advice, nor have I done good deeds.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">I am deformed and horribly disfigured.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Your Name alone, Lord, saves the world.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">This is my hope; this is my support.</span></span></em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> Pause </span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">With my mouth I speak slander, day and night.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">I spy on the houses of others-I am such a wretched low-life!</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Unfulfilled sexual desire and unresolved anger dwell in my body, like the outcasts who cremate the dead.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">I live as a wild hunter, O Creator!</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">I make plans to trap others, although I appear gentle.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">I am a robber-I rob the world.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">I am very clever-I carry loads of sin.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">I live as a wild hunter, O Creator!</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">I have not appreciated what You have done for me, Lord; I take from others and exploit them.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">What face shall I show You, Lord? I am a sneak and a thief.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Nanak describes the state of the lowly.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">I live as a wild hunter, O Creator!</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: yellow"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: blue">Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji</span> </span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Again this is similar to the above translated Shabad. The Guru is clearly making an analogy between people who are acting like dogs. He is even saying that they are barking like dogs. </span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">koorh chhuraa muthaa murdaar.</span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Falsehood is my dagger; through deception, I eat the carcasses of the dead.</span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: yellow"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: blue">Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji</span> </span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Again Murdaar does not mean meat at all. Murdaar refers to dead people, and how people are literally fighting over one another to get what they think is theirs. They are so consumed with greed and selfishness that they care not for one another, clearly nothing to do with meat eating. </span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><strong>7. Avarice is a dog, falsehood the sweeper and cheating the eating of meat. (Guru Nanak Dev Ji. Sri Raag p15)</strong></span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Let us put this last shabad in context with its correct translation: </span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">sireeraag mehlaa 1.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">lab kutaa koorh choohrhaa thag khaaDhaa murdaar.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">par nindaa par mal mukh suDhee agan kroDh chandaal.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">ras kas aap salaahnaa ay karam mayray kartaar.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">baabaa bolee-ai pat ho-ay.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">ootam say dar ootam kahee-ahi neech karam bahi ro-ay.</span></span></em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> rahaa-o. </span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">ras su-inaa ras rupaa kaaman ras parmal kee vaas.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">ras ghorhay ras sayjaa mandar ras meethaa ras maas.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">aytay ras sareer kay kai ghat naam nivaas.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">jit boli-ai pat paa-ee-ai so boli-aa parvaan.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">fikaa bol viguchnaa sun moorakh man ajaan.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">jo tis bhaaveh say bhalay hor ke kahan vakhaan.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">tin mat tin pat tin Dhan palai jin hirdai rahi-aa samaa-ay.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">tin kaa ki-aa salaahnaa avar su-aali-o kaa-ay.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">naanak nadree baahray raacheh daan na naa-ay.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Siree Raag, First Mehl:</span></span></em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> <em>Greed is a dog; falsehood is a filthy street-sweeper. Cheating is eating a rotting carcass.</em> </span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Slandering others is putting the filth of others into your own mouth. The fire of anger is the outcaste who burns dead bodies at the crematorium.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">I am caught in these tastes and flavors, and in self-conceited praise. These are my actions, O my Creator!</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">O Baba, speak only that which will bring you honor.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">They alone are good, who are judged good at the Lord's Door. Those with bad karma can only sit and weep.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">The pleasures of gold and silver, the pleasures of women, the pleasure of the fragrance of sandalwood,</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">the pleasure of horses, the pleasure of a soft bed in a palace, the pleasure of sweet treats and the pleasure of hearty meals</span></span></em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> â€" </span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">these pleasures of the human body are so numerous; how can the Naam, the Name of the Lord, find its dwelling in the heart?</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Those words are acceptable, which, when spoken, bring honor.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Harsh words bring only grief. Listen, O foolish and ignorant mind!</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Those who are pleasing to Him are good. What else is there to be said?</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Wisdom, honor and wealth are in the laps of those whose hearts remain permeated with the Lord.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">What praise can be offered to them? What other adornments can be bestowed upon them?</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">O Nanak, those who lack the Lord's Glance of Grace cherish neither charity nor the Lord's Name.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: yellow"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: blue">Sry Guru Granth Sahib ji</span> </span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Again clearly a mistranslation and mischief making on the part of someone who wishes to convey a certain message. </span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">lab kutaa koorh choohrhaa thag khaaDhaa murdaar. </span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Greed is a dog; falsehood is a filthy street-sweeper. Cheating is eating a rotting carcass.</span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: yellow"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: blue">Sry Guru Granth Sahib ji</span> </span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Again Murdaar is not Meat but is dead people. The entire Ang is talking about people who fall prey to the 5 thieves, Kaam, Krodh, Moh, Lobh and Hankaar. </span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><u><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">MOTIVATIONS BEHIND MISTRANSLATION AND MISREPRESENTATION </span></span></u></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">There are several reasons behind why these mistranslations and misrepresentations have occurred: </span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Symbol'">· </span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">The publishers have a lack of education and do not understand the meaning of words in Gurmukhi and the correct translation into English. </span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Symbol'">· </span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">In their eagerness to promote their own brand of Sikhism (Sant, Jatha etc) they have deliberately allowed mistranslation and misrepresentation. </span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Symbol'">· </span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Genuine abhorrence of killing animals can be a motivation too (eg those people that believe in Animal Rights), however Sikhism should not be used as a tool to promote such agendas. </span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Symbol'">· </span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Poor knowledge of history and the context in which the Gurus and Bhaghats wrotes these Angs is a factor too. This can lead to a misrepresentation. </span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Symbol'">· </span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">In conclusion one can only say that it is very important that Sikh institution promote a clear and concise programme where only those with a certain amount of knowledge in Sikh History and the Sikh Language, should be officially sanctioned as being translators for the Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji. </span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><u><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">THE 84 MILLION INCARNATION ARGUMENT - ANIMAL, VEGETABLE, MINERAL. </span></span></u></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">The other argument that has been made over this issue is that there is some sort of hierarchy of incarnations within Sikhism of incarnations. Life goes through many incarnations (up to 84 million) before becoming human. In other words, life takes the form of incarnation in plant form, then animal, and then human. The idea being that animal form spiritually is closer to man. Biologically this maybe true, however, spiritually within Sikhism, this could not be further from the truth. </span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">On page 176 of the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, the following is written: </span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">ga-orhee gu-aarayree mehlaa 5.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">ka-ee janam bha-ay keet patangaa.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">ka-ee janam gaj meen kurangaa.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">ka-ee janam pankhee sarap ho-i-o.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">ka-ee janam haivar barikh jo-i-o.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">mil jagdees milan kee baree-aa</span></span></em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">. <em>chirankaal ih dayh sanjaree-aa.</em> rahaa-o. </span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">ka-ee janam sail gir kari-aa.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">ka-ee janam garabh hir khari-aa.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">ka-ee janam saakh kar upaa-i-aa.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">lakh cha-oraaseeh jon bharmaa-i-aa.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">saaDhsang bha-i-o janam paraapat.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">kar sayvaa bhaj har har gurmat.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">ti-aag maan jhooth abhimaan.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">jeevat mareh dargeh parvaan.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">avar na doojaa karnai jog.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">taa milee-ai jaa laihi milaa-ay.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">kaho naanak har har gun gaa-ay.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Gauree Gwaarayree, Fifth Mehl</span></span></em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">: </span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">In so many incarnations, you were a worm and an insect;</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">in so many incarnations, you were an elephant, a fish and a deer.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">In so many incarnations, you were a bird and a snake.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">In so many incarnations, you were yoked as an ox and a horse.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Meet the Lord of the Universe - now is the time to meet Him</span></span></em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">.</span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">After so very long, this human body was fashioned for you.</span></span></em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> Pause </span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">In so many incarnations, you were rocks and mountains;</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">in so many incarnations, you were aborted in the womb;</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">in so many incarnations, you developed branches and leaves;</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">you wandered through 8.4 million incarnations.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Through the Saadh Sangat, the Company of the Holy, you obtained this human life.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Do seva - selfless service; follow the Guru's Teachings, and vibrate the Lord's Name, Har, Har.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Abandon pride, falsehood and arrogance.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Remain dead while yet alive, and you shall be welcomed in the Court of the Lord.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Whatever has been, and whatever shall be, comes from You, Lord.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">No one else can do anything at all.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">We are united with You, when You unite us with Yourself.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Says Nanak, sing the Glorious Praises of the Lord, Har, Har.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: yellow"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: blue">Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji</span> </span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"></span></span><p style="text-align: center"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Reading this Shabad one can clearly see that the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji does not attach any particular order to how life is incarnated. Infact it states: </span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"> </span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">ka-ee janam sail gir kari-aa. </span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">In so many incarnations, you were rocks and mountains; </span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">ka-ee janam garabh hir khari-aa.</span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">in so many incarnations, you were aborted in the womb; </span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">ka-ee janam saakh kar upaa-i-aa. </span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">in so many incarnations, you developed branches and leaves; </span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: yellow"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: blue">Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji</span> </span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">If you were to apply the logic of those that claim spiritually animal life is closer to human, then according to this a rock then becomes an aborted human foetus, then becomes a plant! It is only after this one becomes human. Surely then a plant is a closer form of life to human? </span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">The Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji only proclaims one life form as being so precious. On page 50 of the Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji it states: </span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">sireeraag mehlaa 5 ghar 2.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">go-il aa-i-aa go-ilee ki-aa tis damf pasaar.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">muhlat punnee chalnaa tooN sampal ghar baar.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">har gun gaa-o manaa satgur sayv pi-aar.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">ki-aa thorh-rhee baat gumaan.</span></span></em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> rahaa-o. </span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">jaisay rain paraahunay uth chalsahi parbhaat.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">ki-aa tooN rataa girsat si-o sabh fulaa kee baagaat.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">mayree mayree ki-aa karahi jin dee-aa so parabh lorh.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">sarpar uthee chalnaa chhad jaasee lakh karorh.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">lakh cha-oraaseeh bharmati-aa dulabh janam paa-i-o-ay.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">naanak naam samaal tooN so din nayrhaa aa-i-o-ay.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Siree Raag, Fifth Mehl, Second House:</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">The herdsman comes to the pasture lands-what good are his ostentatious displays here?</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">When your allotted time is up, you must go. Take care of your real hearth and home.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">O mind, sing the Glorious Praises of the Lord, and serve the True Guru with love.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Why do you take pride in trivial matters?</span></span></em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> Pause </span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Like an overnight guest, you shall arise and depart in the morning.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Why are you so attached to your household? It is all like flowers in the garden.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Why do you say, "Mine, mine?" Look to God, who has given it to you.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">It is certain that you must arise and depart, and leave behind your hundreds of thousands and millions.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Through 8.4 million incarnations you have wandered, to obtain this rare and precious human life.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">O Nanak, remember the Naam, the Name of the Lord; the day of departure is drawing near!</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: yellow"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: blue">Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji</span> </span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">So clearly, the Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji sees plants, animals, and minerals, on one level in terms of life, and then human form on another. To take the life of a plant is the same as an animal in terms of spirituality. The following Shabad although a metaphor for how people who speak the truth are treated, clearly shows the mind of the Guru’s when seeing life in all its form, be it plant, mineral or animal: </span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Page 143 of the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji </span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">mehlaa 1.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">vaykh je mithaa kati-aa kat kut baDhaa paa-ay.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">khundhaa andar rakh kai dayn so mal sajaa-ay.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">ras kas tatar paa-ee-ai tapai tai villaa-ay.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">bhee so fog samaalee-ai dichai ag jaalaa-ay.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">naanak mithai patree-ai vaykhhu lokaa aa-ay.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">First Mehl:</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Look, and see how the sugar-cane is cut down. After cutting away its branches, its feet are bound together into bundles,</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">and then, it is placed between the wooden rollers and crushed.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">What punishment is inflicted upon it! Its juice is extracted and placed in the cauldron; as it is heated, it groans and cries out.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">And then, the crushed cane is collected and burnt in the fire below.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Nanak: come, people, and see how the sweet sugar-cane is treated!</span></span></em></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: yellow"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: blue">Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji</span> </span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">The folly of the argument that spiritually one is committing a bigger sin when killing an animal than a plant is a foolish one. The biological argument is a different one and is not tackled within the Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji, but that in itself shows, the choice of whether or not to eat meat is a personal one and has nothing to do with the Sikh religion. </span></span></span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Randip Singh, post: 110063, member: 1323"] [b]Re: Meat and Eggs[/b] No it does not! Wrong on all accounts. Typical one liners and mistranslations. See this: [FONT=Arial][COLOR=black][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial][U]FOREWARD[/U] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]The authors of this paper (one a vegetarian and one meat eating Sikh) wrangled hard with their own common sense which told them, dont be a fool and start wrangling over an issue which our great Gurus dismissed as not worthy of discussion. We did however feel as amateur Sikh Historians and commentators on Sikh affairs that we should use our knowledge and experience to clarify what is such a controversial issue. This essay out to be objective as possible but we ourselves probably taking one side as we waded through the arguments and counter arguments produced by vegetarian and meat eating Sikhs. One thing that has incensed us is the use of incorrect History and mistranslation to back up arguments. It was these points that we felt needed clarification and we hope the reader will find that this essay does that. [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]Mistranslation and Misrepresentation of The Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]Some of the tukhs of the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji that are often mistranslated are as follows: [/FONT][/COLOR] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]1. Those mortals who consume marijuana, flesh and wine - no matter what pilgrimages, fasts and rituals they follow, they will all go to hell. (SGGS p1377) [/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]2. You kill living beings and worship lifeless things, at your very last moment, You will suffer terrible pain. (SGGS p332) [/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]3. Do not say that the Vedas are false, false are those who do not reflect. If in all is one god, then why does one kill the hen ? (SGGS p1350) [/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]4. Bhagat Kabir says, that the best food is eating kichree (daal/lentils) where nectar sweet is the salt. You eat hunted meat, but which animal is willing to have their head cut ? (SGGS p1374) [/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]5. In this dark age of Kali Yuga, people have faces like dogs; They eat rotting dead bodies for food. (SGGS p1242) [/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]6. Falsehood is my dagger and to eat by defrauding is meat.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial] (Guru Nanak Dev Ji. Sri Raaj p24) [/FONT][/COLOR] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]7. Avarice is a dog, falsehood the sweeper and cheating the eating of meat. [/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [COLOR=red][FONT=Arial](Guru Nanak Dev Ji. Sri Raag p15) [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=yellow][FONT=Arial][COLOR=blue]Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji[/COLOR] [/FONT][/COLOR] [/COLOR][/FONT][CENTER][FONT=Arial][COLOR=black][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]Let us analyse each one of these one by one. [/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][/CENTER] [FONT=Arial][COLOR=black] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial][B]1. Those mortals who consume marijuana, flesh and wine - no matter what pilgrimages, fasts and rituals they follow, they will all go to hell. (SGGS p1337)[/B] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]In this instance let us firstly add the Gurmukhi with the English: [/FONT][/COLOR] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]mukat padaarath paa-ee-ai thaak na avghat ghaat.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]231 [/FONT][/COLOR] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]kabeer ayk gharhee aaDhee gharee aaDhee hooN tay aaDh.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]bhagtan saytee gostay jo keenay so laabh.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial] 232 [/FONT][/COLOR] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]kabeer bhaaNg maachhulee suraa paan jo jo paraanee khaaNhi.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]tirath barat naym kee-ay tay sabhai rasaatal jaaNhi.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial] 233[/FONT][/COLOR] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]neechay lo-in kar raha-o lay saajan ghat maahi.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]sabh ras khayla-o pee-a sa-o kisee lakhaava-o naahi.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial] 234 [/FONT][/COLOR] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]aath jaam cha-usath gharee tu-a nirkhat rahai jee-o.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]neechay lo-in ki-o kara-o sabh ghat daykh-a-u pee-o.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial] 235 [/FONT][/COLOR] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]sun sakhee pee-a meh jee-o basai jee-a meh basai ke pee-o.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]jee-o pee-o boojha-o nahee ghat meh jee-o ke pee-o.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial] 236 [/FONT][/COLOR] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]kabeer baaman guroo hai jagat kaa bhagtan kaa gur naahi.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]arajh urajh kai pach moo-aa chaara-o baydahu maahi.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]237 [/FONT][/COLOR] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]har hai khaaNd rayt meh bikhree haathee chunee na jaa-ay.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]kahi kabeer gur bhalee bujhaa-ee keetee ho-ay kai khaa-ay.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial] 238 [/FONT][/COLOR] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]kabeer ja-o tuhi saaDh piramm kee sees kaat kar go-ay.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]khaylat khaylat haal kar jo kichh ho-ay ta ho-ay.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial] 239 [/FONT][/COLOR] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]kabeer ja-o tuhi saaDh piramm kee paakay saytee khayl.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]kaachee sarsa-uN payl kai naa khal bha-ee na tayl.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]240 [/FONT][/COLOR] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]dhooNdhat doleh anDh gat ar cheenat naahee sant.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]kahi naamaa ki-o paa-ee-ai bin bhagtahu bhagvant.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial] 241 [/FONT][/COLOR] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]har so heeraa chhaad kai karahi aan kee aas.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]tay nar dojak jaahigay sat bhaakhai ravidaas.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial] 242 [/FONT][/COLOR] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]kabeer ja-o garihu karahi ta Dharam kar naahee ta kar bairaag.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]bairaagee banDhan karai taa ko bado abhaag.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial] 243 [/FONT][/COLOR] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]He obtains the treasure of liberation, and the difficult road to the Lord is not blocked.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]231[/FONT][/COLOR] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Kabeer, whether is is for an hour, half an hour, or half of that,[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]whatever it is, it is worthwhile to speak with the Holy.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial] 232[/FONT][/COLOR] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Kabeer, those mortals who consume marijuana, fish and wine -[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]no matter what pilgrimages, fasts and rituals they follow, they will all go to hell.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial] 233[/FONT][/COLOR] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Kabeer, I keep my eyes lowered, and enshrine my Friend within my heart.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]I enjoy all pleasures with my Beloved, but I do not let anyone else know.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]234[/FONT][/COLOR] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Twenty-four hours a day, every hour, my soul continues to look to You, O Lord.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Why should I keep my eyes lowered? I see my Beloved in every heart.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial] 235[/FONT][/COLOR] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Listen, O my companions: my soul dwells in my Beloved, and my Beloved dwells in my soul.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]I realize that there is no difference between my soul and my Beloved; I cannot tell whether my [/FONT][/COLOR][/I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]soul or my Beloved dwells in my heart.[I] 236[/I][/FONT][/COLOR] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Kabeer, the Brahmin may be the guru of the world, but he is not the Guru of the devotees.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]He rots and dies in the perplexities of the four Vedas.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial] 237[/FONT][/COLOR] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]The Lord is like sugar, scattered in the sand; the elephant cannot pick it up.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Says Kabeer, the Guru has given me this sublime understanding: become an ant, and feed on it.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial] 238[/FONT][/COLOR] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Kabeer, if you desire to play the game of love with the Lord, then cut off your head, and make it into a ball.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Lose yourself in the play of it, and then whatever will be, will be.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial] 239[/FONT][/COLOR] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Kabeer, if you desire to play the game of love with the Lord, play it with someone with committment.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Pressing the unripe mustard seeds produces neither oil nor flour.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial] 240[/FONT][/COLOR] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Searching, the mortal stumbles like a blind person, and does not recognize the Saint.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Says Naam Dayv, how can one obtain the Lord God, without His devotee?[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [/COLOR][/FONT][CENTER][FONT=Arial][COLOR=black][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]Taking out the sentence we see [/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][/CENTER] [FONT=Arial][COLOR=black] [COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]kabeer bhaaNg maachhulee suraa paan jo jo paraanee khaaNhi.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Kabeer, those mortals who consume marijuana, fish and wine – [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]tirath barat naym kee-ay tay sabhai rasaatal jaaNhi. 233[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]no matter what pilgrimages, fasts and rituals they follow, they will all go to hell. 233[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=yellow][FONT=Arial][COLOR=blue]Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji[/COLOR] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]Firstly note that maachlee is not flesh, but is indeed fish. The word in Punjabi for flesh is maas. Then secondly one must ask, why is there a forbidding in the consumption of fish specifically. The answer lies in reading the entire paragraph and a picture emerges. In the last two lines the statement is made: [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]kabeer ja-o garihu karahi ta Dharam kar naahee ta kar bairaag. [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Kabeer, if you live the householder's life, then practice righteousness; otherwise, you might as well retire from the world. [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]bairaagee banDhan karai taa ko bado abhaag. 243 [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]If someone renounces the world, and then gets involved in worldly entanglements, he shall suffer terrible misfortune. 243[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=yellow][FONT=Arial][COLOR=blue]Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji[/COLOR] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]Now putting this in its entire context what Bhagat Kabir is actually criticising in the rich and those in power. The thrill seekers, who are addicted to their senses and those addicted to the 5 thieves. Kabir was born around the area of Benares, and was brought up in a poor Muslim weavers family. He saw the excesses of the rich around him, while the poor starved. Foods like fish and wine were associated with the rich who had an excessive disposable income. Marijuana was associated with either idol people or those who had time and money to waste. Kabir abhorred this, and this statement is a social comment about the excesses of the rich. At the end he clearly states, that those people who do their duties as householders (i.e. work hard, care for other etc) are the ones who will be liberated, and those who live by excesses will suffer. One cantherefore clearly see that this is in no way a comment about eating meat (because of mistranslation) or about avoiding certain foods (as has been misrepresented). [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial][B]2. You kill living beings and worship lifeless things, at your very last moment, You will suffer terrible pain. (SGGS p332)[/B] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]Again let us put this into its correct context: [/FONT][/COLOR] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]ik-oNkaar satgur parsaad.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]jeevat pitar na maanai ko-oo moo-ayN siraaDh karaahee.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]pitar bhee bapuray kaho ki-o paavahi ka-oo-aa kookar khaahee.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] Source:: Sikh Philosophy Network [URL="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/8828-fools-who-wrangle-over-flesh.html"]http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=8828 (Fools Who Wrangle Over Flesh)[/URL] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]mo ka-o kusal bataavhu ko-ee.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]kusal kusal kartay jag binsai kusal bhee kaisay ho-ee.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial] rahaa-o. [/FONT][/COLOR] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]maatee kay kar dayvee dayvaa tis aagai jee-o dayhee.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]aisay pitar tumaaray kahee-ahi aapan kahi-aa na layhee.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]sarjee-o kaateh nirjee-o poojeh ant kaal ka-o bhaaree.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]raam naam kee gat nahee jaanee bhai doobay sansaaree.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]dayvee dayvaa poojeh doleh paarbarahm nahee jaanaa.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]kahat kabeer akul nahee chayti-aa bikhi-aa si-o laptaanaa.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]One Universal Creator God. By The Grace Of The True Guru:[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]He does not honor his ancestors while they are alive, but he holds feasts in their honor after they have died.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Tell me, how can his poor ancestors receive what the crows and the dogs have eaten up?[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]If only someone would tell me what real happiness is![/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Speaking of happiness and joy, the world is perishing. How can happiness be found?[/FONT][/COLOR][/I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Pause [/FONT][/COLOR] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Making gods and goddesses out of clay, people sacrifice living beings to them.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Such are your dead ancestors, who cannot ask for what they want.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]You murder living beings and worship lifeless things; at your very last moment, you shall suffer in terrible pain.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]You do not know the value of the Lord's Name; you shall drown in the terrifying world-ocean.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]You worship gods and goddesses, but you do not know the Supreme Lord God.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Says Kabeer, you have not remembered the Lord who has no ancestors; you are clinging to your corrupt ways.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [COLOR=yellow][FONT=Arial][COLOR=blue]Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji[/COLOR] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]Quite clearly when put into context this is nothing to do with meat eating. What is being alluded to is Hindu sacrificial rituals (eg Anustarani [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial][URL="http://www.sanskrit.org/www/Rites%20of%20Passage/ancestors2.html"][COLOR=blue][FONT=Arial]http://www.sanskrit.org/www/Rites%20of%20Passage/ancestors2.html[/FONT][/COLOR][/URL][/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]) where animals were sacrificed on the funeral pyre, ancestors or to deities. Yet the Brahmins who performed these rituals were themselves devout vegetarians. This is a comment about the futility of animal sacrifices to stone idols and dead ancestors. It is a comment on hypocrisy. [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial][B]3. Do not say that the Vedas are false, false are those who do not reflect. If in all is one god, then why does one kill the hen ? (SGGS p1350)[/B] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]Again, let us put this into context: [/FONT][/COLOR] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]bayd katayb kahhu mat jhoothay jhoothaa jo na bichaarai.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]ja-o sabh meh ayk khudaa-ay kahat ha-o ta-o ki-o murgee maarai.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]mulaaN kahhu ni-aa-o khudaa-ee.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]tayray man kaa bharam na jaa-ee.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial] rahaa-o.[/FONT][/COLOR] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]pakar jee-o aani-aa dayh binaasee maatee ka-o bismil kee-aa.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]jot saroop anaahat laagee kaho halaal ki-aa kee-aa.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]ki-aa ujoo paak kee-aa muhu Dho-i-aa ki-aa maseet sir laa-i-aa.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]ja-o dil meh kapat nivaaj gujaarahu ki-aa haj kaabai jaa-i-aa.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]tooN naapaak paak nahee soojhi-aa tis kaa maram na jaani-aa.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]kahi kabeer bhisat tay chookaa dojak si-o man maani-aa.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Do not say that the Vedas, the Bible and the Koran are false. Those who do not contemplate them are false.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]You say that the One Lord is in all, so why do you kill chickens?[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]O Mullah, tell me: is this God's Justice?[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]The doubts of your mind have not been dispelled.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial] Pause[/FONT][/COLOR] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]You seize a living creature, and then bring it home and kill its body; you have killed only the clay.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]The light of the soul passes into another form. So tell me, what have you killed?[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]And what good are your purifications? Why do you bother to wash your face? And why do you bother to bow your head in the mosque?[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Your heart is full of hypocrisy; what good are your prayers or your pilgrimage to Mecca?[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]You are impure; you do not understand the Pure Lord. You do not know His Mystery.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Says Kabeer, you have missed out on paradise; your mind is set on hell.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [COLOR=yellow][FONT=Arial][COLOR=blue]Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji[/COLOR] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]First point to note is that [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial][URL="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/index.php?title=Halaal"][COLOR=blue][FONT=Arial]halaal[/FONT][/COLOR][/URL][/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial] and [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial][URL="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/index.php?title=Bismil"][COLOR=blue][FONT=Arial]bismil[/FONT][/COLOR][/URL][/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial], does not mean kill but refers to a specific form of ritual slaughter. Put into context this is a comment on the Muslim sacrifice ritual where either a goat or a chicken is kept in the confines of the home and then ritually slaughtered as obeisance to Abraham. Kabeer is mocking the futility of this ritual and saying, that why are you doing this sacrifice just to emulate Gods asking of Abraham to kill his only son? It is a futile gesture that will not sway God. Abraham was sacrificing his son to God, however all the sacrifice in this instance has achieved is destruction of the outer shell of the chicken. The soul wont travel to God, but merely to another form. One can only understand this if one has a basic grasp of history. In this instance the person who tried to use this tukh as an anti-meat quotation was unaware of the Koranic context and had an extremely poor knowledge of Semitic history. [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial][B]4. Bhagat Kabir says, that the best food is eating kichree (daal/lentils) where nectar sweet is the salt. You eat hunted meat, but which animal is willing to have their head cut ? (SGGS p1374)[/B] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]Let us add this to the correct context: [/FONT][/COLOR] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]oraa gar paanee bha-i-aa jaa-ay mili-o dhal kool.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]kabeeraa Dhoor sakayl kai puree-aa baaNDhee dayh.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]divas chaar ko paykhnaa ant khayh kee khayh.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]kabeer sooraj chaaNd kai udai bha-ee sabh dayh.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]gur gobind kay bin milay palat bha-ee sabh khayh.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]jah anbha-o tah bhai nahee jah bha-o tah har naahi.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]kahi-o kabeer bichaar kai sant sunhu man maahi.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]kabeer jinahu kichhoo jaani-aa nahee tin sukh need bihaa-ay.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]hamhu jo boojhaa boojhnaa pooree paree balaa-ay.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]laagee chot maramm kee rahi-o kabeeraa tha-ur.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]kabeer chot suhaylee sayl kee laagat lay-ay usaas.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]chot sahaarai sabad kee taas guroo mai daas.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]kabeer mulaaN munaaray ki-aa chadheh saaN-ee na bahraa ho-ay.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]jaa kaaran tooN baaNg deh dil hee bheetar jo-ay.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]saykh sabooree baahraa ki-aa haj kaabay jaa-ay.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]kabeer jaa kee dil saabat nahee taa ka-o kahaaN khudaa-ay.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]kabeer alah kee kar bandagee jih simrat dukh jaa-ay.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]dil meh saaN-ee pargatai bujhai balantee naaN-ay.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]kabeer joree kee-ay julam hai kahtaa naa-o halaal.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]daftar laykhaa maaNgee-ai tab ho-igo ka-un havaal.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]kabeer khoob khaanaa kheechree jaa meh amrit lon.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]hayraa rotee kaarnay galaa kataavai ka-un.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]kabeer gur laagaa tab jaanee-ai mitai moh tan taap.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]harakh sog daajhai nahee tab har aapeh aap.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]kabeer raam kahan meh bhayd hai taa meh ayk bichaar.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]so-ee raam sabhai kaheh so-ee ka-utakhaar.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]kabeer raamai raam kaho kahibay maahi bibayk.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]ayk anaykeh mil ga-i-aa ayk samaanaa ayk.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]kab[/FONT][/COLOR][/I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]eer jaa ghar saaDh na sayvee-ah har kee sayvaa naahi[I].[/I][/FONT][/COLOR] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]tay ghar marhat saarkhay bhoot baseh tin maahi.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]kabeer goongaa hoo-aa baavraa bahraa hoo-aa kaan.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]paavhu tay pingul bha-i-aa maari-aa satgur baan.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]kabeer satgur soormay baahi-aa baan jo ayk.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]laagat hee bhu-ay gir pari-aa paraa karayjay chhayk.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]kabeer nirmal boond akaas kee par ga-ee bhoom bikaar.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]The hail-stone has melted into water, and flowed into the ocean.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Kabeer, the body is a pile of dust, collected and packed together.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]It is a show which lasts for only a few days, and then dust returns to dust.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Kabeer, bodies are like the rising and setting of the sun and the moon.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Without meeting the Guru, the Lord of the Universe, they are all reduced to dust again.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Where the Fearless Lord is, there is no fear; where there is fear, the Lord is not there.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Kabeer speaks after careful consideration; hear this, O Saints, in your minds.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Kabeer, those who do not know anything, pass their lives in peaceful sleep.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]But I have understood the riddle; I am faced with all sorts of troubles.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Struck by the Mystery of God, Kabeer remains silent.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Kabeer, the stroke of a lance is easy to bear; it takes away the breath.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]But one who endures the stroke of the Word of the Shabad is the Guru, and I am his slave.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Kabeer: O Mullah, why do you climb to the top of the minaret? The Lord is not hard of hearing.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Look within your own heart for the One, for whose sake you shout your prayers.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Why does the Shaykh bother to go on pilgrimage to Mecca, if he is not content with himself?[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Kabeer, one whose heart is not healthy and whole - how can he attain his Lord?[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Kabeer, worship the Lord Allah; meditating in remembrance on Him, troubles and pains depart.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]The Lord shall be revealed within your own heart, and the burning fire within shall be extinguished by His Name.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Kabeer, to use force is tyranny, even if you call it legal.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]When your account is called for in the Court of the Lord, what will your condition be then?[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Kabeer, the dinner of beans and rice is excellent, if it is flavored with salt.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Who would cut his throat, to have meat with his bread?[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Kabeer, one is known to have been touched by the Guru, only when his emotional attachment and physical illnesses are eradicated.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]He is not burned by pleasure or pain, and so he becomes the Lord Himself.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Kabeer, it does make a difference, how you chant the Lord's Name, 'Raam'. This is something to consider.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Everyone uses the same word for the son of Dasrath and the Wondrous Lord.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Kabeer, use the word 'Raam', only to speak of the All-pervading Lord. You must make that distinction.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]One 'Raam' is pervading everywhere, while the other is contained only in himself.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Kabeer, those houses in which neither the Holy nor the Lord are served â€"[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]those houses are like cremation grounds; demons dwell within them.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Kabeer, I have become mute, insane and deaf.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]I am crippled - the True Guru has pierced me with His Arrow.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Kabeer, the True Guru, the Spiritual Warrior, has shot me with His Arrow.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]As soon as it struck me, I fell to the ground, with a hole in my heart.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Kabeer, the pure drop of water falls from the sky, onto the dirty ground.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [COLOR=yellow][FONT=Arial][COLOR=blue]Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji[/COLOR] [/FONT][/COLOR] [/COLOR][/FONT][CENTER][FONT=Arial][COLOR=black][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]At one level this is a mistranslation and at another misrepresentation of the context within which this is written: [/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][/CENTER] [FONT=Arial][COLOR=black] [COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]kabeer khoob khaanaa kheechree jaa meh amrit lon.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Kabeer, the dinner of beans and rice is excellent, if it is flavored with salt. [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]hayraa rotee kaarnay galaa kataavai ka-un. [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Who would cut his throat, to have meat with his bread? [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=yellow][FONT=Arial][COLOR=blue]Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji[/COLOR] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]In the above Gurmukhi, there is no mention of meat whatsoever. [I]hayraa rotee kaarnay galaa kataavai ka-un[/I], means literally, who would cut their own throat to eat food. The person who has tried to translate this has added his/her own spin .What this is actually saying is that to the follower of the Guru or one who has been touched by God a simple dish of Kheechree (lentils and rice), flavoured with salt is enough. To have something more exotic to eat you would not cut your own throat (the western equivalent would be to cut your own nose off to spite your face). In no way is this tukh anything to do with meat eating and the person who has misrepresented and mistranslated it should be held to account for his/her actions. [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial][B]5.In this dark age of Kali Yuga, people have faces like dogs; They eat rotting dead bodies for food. (SGGS p1242)[/B] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]Again, let us put this into context: [/FONT][/COLOR] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]salok mehlaa 1.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]kal ho-ee kutay muhee khaaj ho-aa murdaar.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]koorh bol bol bha-ukanaa chookaa Dharam beechaar.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]jin jeevandi-aa pat nahee mu-i-aa mandee so-ay.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]likhi-aa hovai naankaa kartaa karay so ho-ay.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Shalok, First Mehl:[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]In this Dark Age of Kali Yuga, people have faces like dogs; they eat rotting carcasses for food.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]They bark and speak, telling only lies; all thought of righteousness has left them.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Those who have no honor while alive, will have an evil reputation after they die.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Whatever is predestined, happens, O Nanak; whatever the Creator does, comes to pass.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [COLOR=yellow][FONT=Arial][COLOR=blue]Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji[/COLOR] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]At first glance one notices that this paragraph is clearly a metaphor for people who behave like dogs. The dog is a scavenger, hunts in packs, fights within its pack, eats practically anything it can find etc etc. This entire Ang talks about people greed and those that lack honour when they are alive. [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]The second point to note is the mistranslation. Murdaar is not the word for meat. Murdaar is a reference to people who are dead. In other words people are acting so much like dogs that when people have died they gather round to get as much as they can. A good analogy would be inheritance, where is some instances people try and contest them or try and grab for themselves as much as they can. In India, it has not been unusual to murder siblings of inheritance disputes. In fact the word Murder in the English language has come from the word Murdaar. [/FONT][/COLOR] [B][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]6. Falsehood is my dagger and to eat by defrauding is meat.[/FONT][/COLOR] [/B] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial][B](Guru Nanak Dev Ji. Sri Raaj p24 [/B] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]Let us again see this in context: [/FONT][/COLOR] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]sireeraag mehlaa 1 ghar 4.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]ayk su-aan du-ay su-aanee naal.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]bhalkay bha-ukahi sadaa ba-i-aal.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]koorh chhuraa muthaa murdaar.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Dhaanak roop rahaa kartaar.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]mai pat kee pand na karnee kee kaar.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]ha-o bigrhai roop rahaa bikraal.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]tayraa ayk naam taaray sansaar.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]mai ayhaa aas ayho aaDhaar.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial] rahaa-o. [/FONT][/COLOR] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]mukh nindaa aakhaa din raat.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]par ghar johee neech sanaat.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]kaam kroDh tan vaseh chandaal[/FONT][/COLOR][/I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial].[/FONT][/COLOR] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Dhaanak roop rahaa kartaar.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]faahee surat malookee vays.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]ha-o thagvaarhaa thagee days.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]kharaa si-aanaa bahutaa bhaar.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Dhaanak roop rahaa kartaar.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]mai keetaa na jaataa haraamkhor.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]ha-o ki-aa muhu daysaa dusat chor.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]naanak neech kahai beechaar.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Dhaanak roop rahaa kartaar.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Siree Raag, First Mehl, Fourth House:[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]The dogs of greed are with me.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]In the early morning, they continually bark at the wind.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Falsehood is my dagger; through deception, I eat the carcasses of the dead.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]I live as a wild hunter, O Creator![/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]I have not followed good advice, nor have I done good deeds.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]I am deformed and horribly disfigured.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Your Name alone, Lord, saves the world.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]This is my hope; this is my support.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial] Pause [/FONT][/COLOR] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]With my mouth I speak slander, day and night.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]I spy on the houses of others-I am such a wretched low-life![/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Unfulfilled sexual desire and unresolved anger dwell in my body, like the outcasts who cremate the dead.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]I live as a wild hunter, O Creator![/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]I make plans to trap others, although I appear gentle.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]I am a robber-I rob the world.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]I am very clever-I carry loads of sin.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]I live as a wild hunter, O Creator![/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]I have not appreciated what You have done for me, Lord; I take from others and exploit them.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]What face shall I show You, Lord? I am a sneak and a thief.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Nanak describes the state of the lowly.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]I live as a wild hunter, O Creator![/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [COLOR=yellow][FONT=Arial][COLOR=blue]Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji[/COLOR] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]Again this is similar to the above translated Shabad. The Guru is clearly making an analogy between people who are acting like dogs. He is even saying that they are barking like dogs. [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]koorh chhuraa muthaa murdaar.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Falsehood is my dagger; through deception, I eat the carcasses of the dead.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=yellow][FONT=Arial][COLOR=blue]Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji[/COLOR] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]Again Murdaar does not mean meat at all. Murdaar refers to dead people, and how people are literally fighting over one another to get what they think is theirs. They are so consumed with greed and selfishness that they care not for one another, clearly nothing to do with meat eating. [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial][B]7. Avarice is a dog, falsehood the sweeper and cheating the eating of meat. (Guru Nanak Dev Ji. Sri Raag p15)[/B] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]Let us put this last shabad in context with its correct translation: [/FONT][/COLOR] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]sireeraag mehlaa 1.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]lab kutaa koorh choohrhaa thag khaaDhaa murdaar.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]par nindaa par mal mukh suDhee agan kroDh chandaal.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]ras kas aap salaahnaa ay karam mayray kartaar.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]baabaa bolee-ai pat ho-ay.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]ootam say dar ootam kahee-ahi neech karam bahi ro-ay.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial] rahaa-o. [/FONT][/COLOR] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]ras su-inaa ras rupaa kaaman ras parmal kee vaas.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]ras ghorhay ras sayjaa mandar ras meethaa ras maas.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]aytay ras sareer kay kai ghat naam nivaas.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]jit boli-ai pat paa-ee-ai so boli-aa parvaan.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]fikaa bol viguchnaa sun moorakh man ajaan.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]jo tis bhaaveh say bhalay hor ke kahan vakhaan.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]tin mat tin pat tin Dhan palai jin hirdai rahi-aa samaa-ay.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]tin kaa ki-aa salaahnaa avar su-aali-o kaa-ay.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]naanak nadree baahray raacheh daan na naa-ay.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Siree Raag, First Mehl:[/FONT][/COLOR][/I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial] [I]Greed is a dog; falsehood is a filthy street-sweeper. Cheating is eating a rotting carcass.[/I] [/FONT][/COLOR] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Slandering others is putting the filth of others into your own mouth. The fire of anger is the outcaste who burns dead bodies at the crematorium.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]I am caught in these tastes and flavors, and in self-conceited praise. These are my actions, O my Creator![/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]O Baba, speak only that which will bring you honor.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]They alone are good, who are judged good at the Lord's Door. Those with bad karma can only sit and weep.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]The pleasures of gold and silver, the pleasures of women, the pleasure of the fragrance of sandalwood,[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]the pleasure of horses, the pleasure of a soft bed in a palace, the pleasure of sweet treats and the pleasure of hearty meals[/FONT][/COLOR][/I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial] â€" [/FONT][/COLOR] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]these pleasures of the human body are so numerous; how can the Naam, the Name of the Lord, find its dwelling in the heart?[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Those words are acceptable, which, when spoken, bring honor.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Harsh words bring only grief. Listen, O foolish and ignorant mind![/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Those who are pleasing to Him are good. What else is there to be said?[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Wisdom, honor and wealth are in the laps of those whose hearts remain permeated with the Lord.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]What praise can be offered to them? What other adornments can be bestowed upon them?[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]O Nanak, those who lack the Lord's Glance of Grace cherish neither charity nor the Lord's Name.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [COLOR=yellow][FONT=Arial][COLOR=blue]Sry Guru Granth Sahib ji[/COLOR] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]Again clearly a mistranslation and mischief making on the part of someone who wishes to convey a certain message. [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]lab kutaa koorh choohrhaa thag khaaDhaa murdaar. [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Greed is a dog; falsehood is a filthy street-sweeper. Cheating is eating a rotting carcass.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=yellow][FONT=Arial][COLOR=blue]Sry Guru Granth Sahib ji[/COLOR] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]Again Murdaar is not Meat but is dead people. The entire Ang is talking about people who fall prey to the 5 thieves, Kaam, Krodh, Moh, Lobh and Hankaar. [/FONT][/COLOR] [U][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]MOTIVATIONS BEHIND MISTRANSLATION AND MISREPRESENTATION [/FONT][/COLOR][/U] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]There are several reasons behind why these mistranslations and misrepresentations have occurred: [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Symbol]· [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]The publishers have a lack of education and do not understand the meaning of words in Gurmukhi and the correct translation into English. [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Symbol]· [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]In their eagerness to promote their own brand of Sikhism (Sant, Jatha etc) they have deliberately allowed mistranslation and misrepresentation. [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Symbol]· [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]Genuine abhorrence of killing animals can be a motivation too (eg those people that believe in Animal Rights), however Sikhism should not be used as a tool to promote such agendas. [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Symbol]· [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]Poor knowledge of history and the context in which the Gurus and Bhaghats wrotes these Angs is a factor too. This can lead to a misrepresentation. [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Symbol]· [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]In conclusion one can only say that it is very important that Sikh institution promote a clear and concise programme where only those with a certain amount of knowledge in Sikh History and the Sikh Language, should be officially sanctioned as being translators for the Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji. [/FONT][/COLOR] [U][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]THE 84 MILLION INCARNATION ARGUMENT - ANIMAL, VEGETABLE, MINERAL. [/FONT][/COLOR][/U] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]The other argument that has been made over this issue is that there is some sort of hierarchy of incarnations within Sikhism of incarnations. Life goes through many incarnations (up to 84 million) before becoming human. In other words, life takes the form of incarnation in plant form, then animal, and then human. The idea being that animal form spiritually is closer to man. Biologically this maybe true, however, spiritually within Sikhism, this could not be further from the truth. [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]On page 176 of the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, the following is written: [/FONT][/COLOR] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]ga-orhee gu-aarayree mehlaa 5.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]ka-ee janam bha-ay keet patangaa.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]ka-ee janam gaj meen kurangaa.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]ka-ee janam pankhee sarap ho-i-o.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]ka-ee janam haivar barikh jo-i-o.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]mil jagdees milan kee baree-aa[/FONT][/COLOR][/I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]. [I]chirankaal ih dayh sanjaree-aa.[/I] rahaa-o. [/FONT][/COLOR] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]ka-ee janam sail gir kari-aa.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]ka-ee janam garabh hir khari-aa.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]ka-ee janam saakh kar upaa-i-aa.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]lakh cha-oraaseeh jon bharmaa-i-aa.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]saaDhsang bha-i-o janam paraapat.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]kar sayvaa bhaj har har gurmat.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]ti-aag maan jhooth abhimaan.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]jeevat mareh dargeh parvaan.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]avar na doojaa karnai jog.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]taa milee-ai jaa laihi milaa-ay.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]kaho naanak har har gun gaa-ay.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Gauree Gwaarayree, Fifth Mehl[/FONT][/COLOR][/I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]: [/FONT][/COLOR] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]In so many incarnations, you were a worm and an insect;[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]in so many incarnations, you were an elephant, a fish and a deer.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]In so many incarnations, you were a bird and a snake.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]In so many incarnations, you were yoked as an ox and a horse.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Meet the Lord of the Universe - now is the time to meet Him[/FONT][/COLOR][/I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial].[/FONT][/COLOR] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]After so very long, this human body was fashioned for you.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial] Pause [/FONT][/COLOR] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]In so many incarnations, you were rocks and mountains;[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]in so many incarnations, you were aborted in the womb;[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]in so many incarnations, you developed branches and leaves;[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]you wandered through 8.4 million incarnations.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Through the Saadh Sangat, the Company of the Holy, you obtained this human life.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Do seva - selfless service; follow the Guru's Teachings, and vibrate the Lord's Name, Har, Har.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Abandon pride, falsehood and arrogance.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Remain dead while yet alive, and you shall be welcomed in the Court of the Lord.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Whatever has been, and whatever shall be, comes from You, Lord.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]No one else can do anything at all.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]We are united with You, when You unite us with Yourself.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Says Nanak, sing the Glorious Praises of the Lord, Har, Har.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [COLOR=yellow][FONT=Arial][COLOR=blue]Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji[/COLOR] [/FONT][/COLOR] [/COLOR][/FONT][CENTER][FONT=Arial][COLOR=black][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]Reading this Shabad one can clearly see that the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji does not attach any particular order to how life is incarnated. Infact it states: [/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][/CENTER] [FONT=Arial][COLOR=black] [COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]ka-ee janam sail gir kari-aa. [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]In so many incarnations, you were rocks and mountains; [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]ka-ee janam garabh hir khari-aa.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]in so many incarnations, you were aborted in the womb; [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]ka-ee janam saakh kar upaa-i-aa. [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]in so many incarnations, you developed branches and leaves; [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=yellow][FONT=Arial][COLOR=blue]Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji[/COLOR] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]If you were to apply the logic of those that claim spiritually animal life is closer to human, then according to this a rock then becomes an aborted human foetus, then becomes a plant! It is only after this one becomes human. Surely then a plant is a closer form of life to human? [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]The Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji only proclaims one life form as being so precious. On page 50 of the Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji it states: [/FONT][/COLOR] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]sireeraag mehlaa 5 ghar 2.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]go-il aa-i-aa go-ilee ki-aa tis damf pasaar.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]muhlat punnee chalnaa tooN sampal ghar baar.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]har gun gaa-o manaa satgur sayv pi-aar.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]ki-aa thorh-rhee baat gumaan.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial] rahaa-o. [/FONT][/COLOR] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]jaisay rain paraahunay uth chalsahi parbhaat.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]ki-aa tooN rataa girsat si-o sabh fulaa kee baagaat.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]mayree mayree ki-aa karahi jin dee-aa so parabh lorh.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]sarpar uthee chalnaa chhad jaasee lakh karorh.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]lakh cha-oraaseeh bharmati-aa dulabh janam paa-i-o-ay.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]naanak naam samaal tooN so din nayrhaa aa-i-o-ay.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Siree Raag, Fifth Mehl, Second House:[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]The herdsman comes to the pasture lands-what good are his ostentatious displays here?[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]When your allotted time is up, you must go. Take care of your real hearth and home.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]O mind, sing the Glorious Praises of the Lord, and serve the True Guru with love.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Why do you take pride in trivial matters?[/FONT][/COLOR][/I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial] Pause [/FONT][/COLOR] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Like an overnight guest, you shall arise and depart in the morning.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Why are you so attached to your household? It is all like flowers in the garden.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Why do you say, "Mine, mine?" Look to God, who has given it to you.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]It is certain that you must arise and depart, and leave behind your hundreds of thousands and millions.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Through 8.4 million incarnations you have wandered, to obtain this rare and precious human life.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]O Nanak, remember the Naam, the Name of the Lord; the day of departure is drawing near![/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [COLOR=yellow][FONT=Arial][COLOR=blue]Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji[/COLOR] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]So clearly, the Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji sees plants, animals, and minerals, on one level in terms of life, and then human form on another. To take the life of a plant is the same as an animal in terms of spirituality. The following Shabad although a metaphor for how people who speak the truth are treated, clearly shows the mind of the Guru’s when seeing life in all its form, be it plant, mineral or animal: [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]Page 143 of the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji [/FONT][/COLOR] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]mehlaa 1.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]vaykh je mithaa kati-aa kat kut baDhaa paa-ay.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]khundhaa andar rakh kai dayn so mal sajaa-ay.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]ras kas tatar paa-ee-ai tapai tai villaa-ay.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]bhee so fog samaalee-ai dichai ag jaalaa-ay.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]naanak mithai patree-ai vaykhhu lokaa aa-ay.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]First Mehl:[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Look, and see how the sugar-cane is cut down. After cutting away its branches, its feet are bound together into bundles,[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]and then, it is placed between the wooden rollers and crushed.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]What punishment is inflicted upon it! Its juice is extracted and placed in the cauldron; as it is heated, it groans and cries out.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]And then, the crushed cane is collected and burnt in the fire below.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Arial]Nanak: come, people, and see how the sweet sugar-cane is treated![/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [COLOR=yellow][FONT=Arial][COLOR=blue]Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji[/COLOR] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]The folly of the argument that spiritually one is committing a bigger sin when killing an animal than a plant is a foolish one. The biological argument is a different one and is not tackled within the Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji, but that in itself shows, the choice of whether or not to eat meat is a personal one and has nothing to do with the Sikh religion. [/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR][/FONT] [/QUOTE]
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