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ਜਪੁ | Jup
ਸੋ ਦਰੁ | So Dar
ਸੋਹਿਲਾ | Sohilaa
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ | Raag Siree-Raag
Gurbani (14-53)
Ashtpadiyan (53-71)
Gurbani (71-74)
Pahre (74-78)
Chhant (78-81)
Vanjara (81-82)
Vaar Siri Raag (83-91)
Bhagat Bani (91-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਝ | Raag Maajh
Gurbani (94-109)
Ashtpadi (109)
Ashtpadiyan (110-129)
Ashtpadi (129-130)
Ashtpadiyan (130-133)
Bara Maha (133-136)
Din Raen (136-137)
Vaar Maajh Ki (137-150)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗਉੜੀ | Raag Gauree
Gurbani (151-185)
Quartets/Couplets (185-220)
Ashtpadiyan (220-234)
Karhalei (234-235)
Ashtpadiyan (235-242)
Chhant (242-249)
Baavan Akhari (250-262)
Sukhmani (262-296)
Thittee (296-300)
Gauree kii Vaar (300-323)
Gurbani (323-330)
Ashtpadiyan (330-340)
Baavan Akhari (340-343)
Thintteen (343-344)
Vaar Kabir (344-345)
Bhagat Bani (345-346)
ਰਾਗੁ ਆਸਾ | Raag Aasaa
Gurbani (347-348)
Chaupaday (348-364)
Panchpadde (364-365)
Kaafee (365-409)
Aasaavaree (409-411)
Ashtpadiyan (411-432)
Patee (432-435)
Chhant (435-462)
Vaar Aasaa (462-475)
Bhagat Bani (475-488)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੂਜਰੀ | Raag Goojaree
Gurbani (489-503)
Ashtpadiyan (503-508)
Vaar Gujari (508-517)
Vaar Gujari (517-526)
ਰਾਗੁ ਦੇਵਗੰਧਾਰੀ | Raag Dayv-Gandhaaree
Gurbani (527-536)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਹਾਗੜਾ | Raag Bihaagraa
Gurbani (537-556)
Chhant (538-548)
Vaar Bihaagraa (548-556)
ਰਾਗੁ ਵਡਹੰਸ | Raag Wadhans
Gurbani (557-564)
Ashtpadiyan (564-565)
Chhant (565-575)
Ghoriaan (575-578)
Alaahaniiaa (578-582)
Vaar Wadhans (582-594)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੋਰਠਿ | Raag Sorath
Gurbani (595-634)
Asatpadhiya (634-642)
Vaar Sorath (642-659)
ਰਾਗੁ ਧਨਾਸਰੀ | Raag Dhanasaree
Gurbani (660-685)
Astpadhiya (685-687)
Chhant (687-691)
Bhagat Bani (691-695)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਤਸਰੀ | Raag Jaitsree
Gurbani (696-703)
Chhant (703-705)
Vaar Jaitsaree (705-710)
Bhagat Bani (710)
ਰਾਗੁ ਟੋਡੀ | Raag Todee
ਰਾਗੁ ਬੈਰਾੜੀ | Raag Bairaaree
ਰਾਗੁ ਤਿਲੰਗ | Raag Tilang
Gurbani (721-727)
Bhagat Bani (727)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੂਹੀ | Raag Suhi
Gurbani (728-750)
Ashtpadiyan (750-761)
Kaafee (761-762)
Suchajee (762)
Gunvantee (763)
Chhant (763-785)
Vaar Soohee (785-792)
Bhagat Bani (792-794)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਲਾਵਲੁ | Raag Bilaaval
Gurbani (795-831)
Ashtpadiyan (831-838)
Thitteen (838-840)
Vaar Sat (841-843)
Chhant (843-848)
Vaar Bilaaval (849-855)
Bhagat Bani (855-858)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੋਂਡ | Raag Gond
Gurbani (859-869)
Ashtpadiyan (869)
Bhagat Bani (870-875)
ਰਾਗੁ ਰਾਮਕਲੀ | Raag Ramkalee
Ashtpadiyan (902-916)
Gurbani (876-902)
Anand (917-922)
Sadd (923-924)
Chhant (924-929)
Dakhnee (929-938)
Sidh Gosat (938-946)
Vaar Ramkalee (947-968)
ਰਾਗੁ ਨਟ ਨਾਰਾਇਨ | Raag Nat Narayan
Gurbani (975-980)
Ashtpadiyan (980-983)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਲੀ ਗਉੜਾ | Raag Maalee Gauraa
Gurbani (984-988)
Bhagat Bani (988)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਰੂ | Raag Maaroo
Gurbani (889-1008)
Ashtpadiyan (1008-1014)
Kaafee (1014-1016)
Ashtpadiyan (1016-1019)
Anjulian (1019-1020)
Solhe (1020-1033)
Dakhni (1033-1043)
ਰਾਗੁ ਤੁਖਾਰੀ | Raag Tukhaari
Bara Maha (1107-1110)
Chhant (1110-1117)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕੇਦਾਰਾ | Raag Kedara
Gurbani (1118-1123)
Bhagat Bani (1123-1124)
ਰਾਗੁ ਭੈਰਉ | Raag Bhairo
Gurbani (1125-1152)
Partaal (1153)
Ashtpadiyan (1153-1167)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਸੰਤੁ | Raag Basant
Gurbani (1168-1187)
Ashtpadiyan (1187-1193)
Vaar Basant (1193-1196)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਾਰਗ | Raag Saarag
Gurbani (1197-1200)
Partaal (1200-1231)
Ashtpadiyan (1232-1236)
Chhant (1236-1237)
Vaar Saarang (1237-1253)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਲਾਰ | Raag Malaar
Gurbani (1254-1293)
Partaal (1265-1273)
Ashtpadiyan (1273-1278)
Chhant (1278)
Vaar Malaar (1278-91)
Bhagat Bani (1292-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਾਨੜਾ | Raag Kaanraa
Gurbani (1294-96)
Partaal (1296-1318)
Ashtpadiyan (1308-1312)
Chhant (1312)
Vaar Kaanraa
Bhagat Bani (1318)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਲਿਆਨ | Raag Kalyaan
Gurbani (1319-23)
Ashtpadiyan (1323-26)
ਰਾਗੁ ਪ੍ਰਭਾਤੀ | Raag Prabhaatee
Gurbani (1327-1341)
Ashtpadiyan (1342-51)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਜਾਵੰਤੀ | Raag Jaijaiwanti
Gurbani (1352-53)
Salok | Gatha | Phunahe | Chaubole | Swayiye
Sehskritee Mahala 1
Sehskritee Mahala 5
Gaathaa Mahala 5
Phunhay Mahala 5
Chaubolae Mahala 5
Shaloks Bhagat Kabir
Shaloks Sheikh Farid
Swaiyyae Mahala 5
Swaiyyae in Praise of Gurus
Shaloks in Addition To Vaars
Shalok Ninth Mehl
Mundavanee Mehl 5
ਰਾਗ ਮਾਲਾ, Raag Maalaa
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Do You Believe Guru Nanak Dev Ji Became MUKT/”got Salvation”?
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<blockquote data-quote="BhagatSingh" data-source="post: 176140" data-attributes="member: 2610"><p>Vouthon ji,</p><p>I don't know how I got the caterpillar metaphor. But let me tell you it is inaccurate. It's one of best metaphors I know of when talking about enlightenment but it's just not that good. I actually haven't encountered a metaphor that was very close to the phenomenon. Even this one below is one of the best but not quite there yet.</p><p></p><p>In Guru Granth Sahib, there is the metaphor of the lotus growing in mud but not being stained by it. God is described as the one who dwells in the center of the lotus. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p>On page 990</p><p>The enlightened is described as a lotus who remains clean even in the mud.</p><p><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: BLACK">ਪਦਮਨਿ ਜਾਵਲ ਜਲ ਰਸ ਸੰਗਤਿ ਸੰਗਿ ਦੋਖ ਨਹੀ ਰੇ ॥੧॥</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: BLACK">The lotus flower is with the scum and the water, but it remains untouched by any pollution. ||1||</span></span></p><p></p><p>On the other hand, the unenlightened is like a frog, who even in the company of Pandits and religious texts like Vedas and Shatras, remains ignorant.</p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">ਪੰਡਿਤ ਸੰਗਿ ਵਸਹਿ ਜਨ ਮੂਰਖ ਆਗਮ ਸਾਸ ਸੁਨੇ ॥</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">The fool may live with the Pandit, the religious scholar, and listen to the Vedas and the Shaastras.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">ਅਪਨਾ ਆਪੁ ਤੂ ਕਬਹੁ ਨ ਛੋਡਸਿ ਸੁਆਨ ਪੂਛਿ ਜਿਉ ਰੇ ॥੪॥</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">You can never escape your own inner tendencies, like the crooked tail of the dog. ||4|| </span></p><p></p><p>Guru Sahib explain that because the frog is in clean water, it never really notices how clean it is, and takes it for granted. Doing so it remains ignorant.</p><p></p><p>Vouthon ji,</p><p>Here is a different perspective on death but leads to the same thing. When I lost faith in God, he was the one who inspired me to meditate, he was the one to bring it back! The irony... :></p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITTxTCz4Ums" target="_blank">Sam Harris - Death and the Present Moment - YouTube</a></p><p></p><p>Shabad is the written or spoken word. Bhajan/geet is sung. Kirtan is to praise. Yes amongst all, contemplation is there. Guru Granth Sahib is organized by Raags, Musical structures for a reason. It is meant to be sung and sung with great feeling. The shabad is to be felt as sound as well as word.</p><p></p><p> Music has a quality to engage the right brain and it takes us away from language (and thought) into something deeper. It is encouraged that it be combined with Gurbani for the deepest effect on the mind. That's why you always find the Raag written there with every shabad. </p><p></p><p>Saying that "Bhajan" implies that it is Hindu is like saying that "Hymn" implies it is Christian.</p><p></p><p>Vouthon ji,</p><p>Try combining some singing with the prayer meditations you do. Let me find you an example of what I am talking about.</p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XZ3ja-quhA" target="_blank">Be Thou My Vision - YouTube</a></p><p>Bhajans are wonderful!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BhagatSingh, post: 176140, member: 2610"] Vouthon ji, I don't know how I got the caterpillar metaphor. But let me tell you it is inaccurate. It's one of best metaphors I know of when talking about enlightenment but it's just not that good. I actually haven't encountered a metaphor that was very close to the phenomenon. Even this one below is one of the best but not quite there yet. In Guru Granth Sahib, there is the metaphor of the lotus growing in mud but not being stained by it. God is described as the one who dwells in the center of the lotus. ;) On page 990 The enlightened is described as a lotus who remains clean even in the mud. [FONT=AnmolUniPr][SIZE=1][COLOR=BLACK]ਪਦਮਨਿ ਜਾਵਲ ਜਲ ਰਸ ਸੰਗਤਿ ਸੰਗਿ ਦੋਖ ਨਹੀ ਰੇ ॥੧॥[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=1][COLOR=BLACK]The lotus flower is with the scum and the water, but it remains untouched by any pollution. ||1||[/COLOR][/SIZE] On the other hand, the unenlightened is like a frog, who even in the company of Pandits and religious texts like Vedas and Shatras, remains ignorant. [SIZE=3]ਪੰਡਿਤ ਸੰਗਿ ਵਸਹਿ ਜਨ ਮੂਰਖ ਆਗਮ ਸਾਸ ਸੁਨੇ ॥ The fool may live with the Pandit, the religious scholar, and listen to the Vedas and the Shaastras. ਅਪਨਾ ਆਪੁ ਤੂ ਕਬਹੁ ਨ ਛੋਡਸਿ ਸੁਆਨ ਪੂਛਿ ਜਿਉ ਰੇ ॥੪॥ You can never escape your own inner tendencies, like the crooked tail of the dog. ||4|| [/SIZE] Guru Sahib explain that because the frog is in clean water, it never really notices how clean it is, and takes it for granted. Doing so it remains ignorant. Vouthon ji, Here is a different perspective on death but leads to the same thing. When I lost faith in God, he was the one who inspired me to meditate, he was the one to bring it back! The irony... :> [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITTxTCz4Ums"]Sam Harris - Death and the Present Moment - YouTube[/url] Shabad is the written or spoken word. Bhajan/geet is sung. Kirtan is to praise. Yes amongst all, contemplation is there. Guru Granth Sahib is organized by Raags, Musical structures for a reason. It is meant to be sung and sung with great feeling. The shabad is to be felt as sound as well as word. Music has a quality to engage the right brain and it takes us away from language (and thought) into something deeper. It is encouraged that it be combined with Gurbani for the deepest effect on the mind. That's why you always find the Raag written there with every shabad. Saying that "Bhajan" implies that it is Hindu is like saying that "Hymn" implies it is Christian. Vouthon ji, Try combining some singing with the prayer meditations you do. Let me find you an example of what I am talking about. [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XZ3ja-quhA"]Be Thou My Vision - YouTube[/url] Bhajans are wonderful! [/QUOTE]
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