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Do You Believe Guru Nanak Dev Ji Became MUKT/”got Salvation”?
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<blockquote data-quote="Ambarsaria" data-source="post: 175645" data-attributes="member: 14194"><p>Confused ji thanks for your post. Whether you like it or not, I have included Buddha ji in my starting post. The name was on my mind and I made an error. As we all know I am no person to be making judgements on such people but I make simple humble citations from the heart. There are far too many to be cited around the world of times past and times present.</p><p></p><p>Now to your post and couple of comments.<span style="color: Blue"><em>For me Mukti/Mukt (getting salvation/"one's having achieved salvation") goes beyond "Enlightenment.</em></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"><em></em></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"><em>Example a person by themselves, recluse, fully enlightened is not Mukt/"got salvation". For me a true test of true Mukti/Mukt is that the form, physical, the time, the place, etc., become of no consequence.</em></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"><em></em></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"><em>So it is a two points journey,</em></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"><em></em></span></p><ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><em><span style="color: Blue">Enlightened</span></em><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><em><span style="color: Blue">Essential</span></em></li> </ul> </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><em><span style="color: Blue">Enlightening</span></em><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><em><span style="color: Blue">Essential as this causes the separation from <span style="color: Blue"><em>form, physical, the time, the place, etc.</em></span></span></em></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><em><span style="color: Blue"><span style="color: Blue"><em>Here we are almost 543 years past the time Guru Nanak Dev ji was born</em></span></span></em></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><em><span style="color: Blue"><span style="color: Blue"><em>Millions of his sons and daughters,</em></span></span></em><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><em><span style="color: Blue"><span style="color: Blue"><em>without a physical connection to his lineage</em></span></span></em></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><em><span style="color: Blue"><span style="color: Blue"><em>without the impact of 500 plus years on his message</em></span></span></em></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><em><span style="color: Blue"><span style="color: Blue"><em>all over the world and not just Nankana Sahib and surrounding areas</em></span></span></em></li> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> </ol><p><em><span style="color: Blue"><span style="color: Blue"><em>Let us take stock of our lives and see where we are at? Some of us has some time left on this earth while many others are closer to dust that we will merge with again in years and decades to come. There can be no confusion or illusion where the Mukt/"got salvation" people stand. They are a shining light that so gets absorbed by many, they are like "paras"/"magic stone" and whoever they touch turns to Gold. The touch is not superficial but intense recognition and understanding of these so enlightened.</em></span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: Blue"><span style="color: Blue"><em></em></span></span></em><span style="color: Blue"><em>Confused ji great truth in the above that you state at least the way I read it.</em></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"><em>The enlightened don't need to answer to anyone nor describe their wisdom. What we need to observe is the impact they had at spiritual level and functional level for thousands, millions and even billions. It simply cannot be just washed aside in rhetoric.</em></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: Blue"><em>Confused ji to be enlightened you don't need to be like God/creator. Stay human as we are and all before were. What made them different was enlightenment in spite of all that you postulate as prerequisites to enlightenment.</em><em> It matter little if they slayed the five thieves. It mattered much if they had such under control on a sustained basis and that is the best one can hope for or expect to achieve and still find enlightenment.</em></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: Blue"><em>Confused ji the enlightened share their wisdom without asking for you to write and exam and give you a mark on pass, fail and distinction. The enlightened wanted to teach you fishing and did not give you fish to eat for a day.</em></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"><em>Confused ji why should there be a single unique path or runway to take off on "Enlightened Jets". The enlightened teach us the skills. The paths vary and much of the other parameters of existence vary. That is creation.</em></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"><em></em></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"><em></em><span style="color: Black">What stays the same is the light of the enlightened which lights our ways but does not chose the ways for us.</span><span style="color: Black">Regards and thanks as always for your contributions.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"><span style="color: Black"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"><span style="color: Black"><strong>PS: </strong><span style="color: DarkRed"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"><span style="color: Black"><span style="color: DarkRed"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"><span style="color: Black"><span style="color: DarkRed"><strong>1. </strong> <strong>Harcharanjitsinghdhillon ji</strong> says "...... <em>for satgurus no problem they will earn salvation easily</em>"</span></span></span><span style="color: Blue"><span style="color: Black"><span style="color: DarkRed">.</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"><span style="color: Black"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"><span style="color: Black">I assume by ..satgurus.. you are referring to Guru Nanak Dev ji and not someone that is not named in this thread.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"><span style="color: Black"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"><span style="color: Black">Veer ji if you think the life of Guru Nanak Dev ji's was a piece of cake, try walking a few steps. Guru Nanak Dev ji lived in adversity throughout with overwhelming sea of skeptics and plain enemies who did not see eye to eye with his enlightened ways. Try taking a trip to Mecca or criticize the Brahmins in Benares. mundahug</span></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"><span style="color: Black"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"><span style="color: Black"><span style="color: DarkRed"><strong>2. </strong> <strong>Prakash.S.Bagga ji </strong>does raise some great observation. </span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"><span style="color: Black"><span style="color: DarkRed"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"><span style="color: Black"><span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="color: Black">I believe we will be totally amiss of teachings of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji and Guru Nanak Dev ji if keep looking for some easy ways and waiting for the creator's lightening rod to strike us. All enlightened people lived tough lives and practical lives. Hence the need to be very averse of shortcuts, etc. </span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"><span style="color: Black"><span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="color: Black"></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"><span style="color: Black"><span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="color: Black">It may serve us well to identify and post about some enlightened people. Let our love not be guiding but what little enlightenment we have so guide us to bring such people to everyone's attention.</span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"><span style="color: Black"><span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="color: Black"></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"><span style="color: Black"><span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="color: Black">I am sorry, I cannot name anyone living in this category right now.</span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"><span style="color: Black"><span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="color: Black"></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"><span style="color: Black"><span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="color: Black"></span></span></span></span><span style="color: Blue"><span style="color: Black"><span style="color: DarkRed"><strong>3. Vouthon </strong><strong> ji </strong>great post and thanks for your wonderful effort and style of writing.</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"><span style="color: Black"><span style="color: DarkRed"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"><span style="color: Black"><span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="color: Black">Your message is good and description very logical as to how things are. I have a mental block on God/creator classifying people at birth to be Prophet, etc. It flies straight in the face of so called equality in God/creator's space for all.</span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="color: Blue"><span style="color: Black"><span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="color: Black">For example the following from your post,</span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"><span style="color: Black"><span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="color: Black"></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"><span style="color: Black"><span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="color: Black"></span></span></span></span>"...Cardinal Cusa claimed that <u><em>God sent a variety of prophets into the world in order to reveal Himself</em></u> to humanity. To achieve this goal these prophets created a variety of faiths...<strong>In this manner Cusa gives such figures as Buddha and Muhammad a similar status to that of prophets of the God of Israel..... "</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p>So technically the statement is correct that God/creator sent such to earth. But such is true of each and everyone and not just the folks mentioned.I believe God/creator embeds great and at times unlimited potential in all. How such produces fruit may or may not be known in all detail by anyone! The infinity of creator and creation is far to huge for our feeble minds beyond conjectures and wishful thinking.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ambarsaria, post: 175645, member: 14194"] Confused ji thanks for your post. Whether you like it or not, I have included Buddha ji in my starting post. The name was on my mind and I made an error. As we all know I am no person to be making judgements on such people but I make simple humble citations from the heart. There are far too many to be cited around the world of times past and times present. Now to your post and couple of comments.[COLOR=Blue][I]For me Mukti/Mukt (getting salvation/"one's having achieved salvation") goes beyond "Enlightenment. Example a person by themselves, recluse, fully enlightened is not Mukt/"got salvation". For me a true test of true Mukti/Mukt is that the form, physical, the time, the place, etc., become of no consequence. So it is a two points journey, [/I][/COLOR] [LIST=1] [*][I][COLOR=Blue]Enlightened[/COLOR][/I] [LIST] [*][I][COLOR=Blue]Essential[/COLOR][/I] [/LIST] [*][I][COLOR=Blue]Enlightening[/COLOR][/I] [LIST] [*][I][COLOR=Blue]Essential as this causes the separation from [COLOR=Blue][I]form, physical, the time, the place, etc.[/I][/COLOR][/COLOR][/I] [*][I][COLOR=Blue][COLOR=Blue][I]Here we are almost 543 years past the time Guru Nanak Dev ji was born[/I][/COLOR][/COLOR][/I] [*][I][COLOR=Blue][COLOR=Blue][I]Millions of his sons and daughters,[/I][/COLOR][/COLOR][/I] [LIST] [*][I][COLOR=Blue][COLOR=Blue][I]without a physical connection to his lineage[/I][/COLOR][/COLOR][/I] [*][I][COLOR=Blue][COLOR=Blue][I]without the impact of 500 plus years on his message[/I][/COLOR][/COLOR][/I] [*][I][COLOR=Blue][COLOR=Blue][I]all over the world and not just Nankana Sahib and surrounding areas[/I][/COLOR][/COLOR][/I] [/LIST] [/LIST] [/LIST] [I][COLOR=Blue][COLOR=Blue][I]Let us take stock of our lives and see where we are at? Some of us has some time left on this earth while many others are closer to dust that we will merge with again in years and decades to come. There can be no confusion or illusion where the Mukt/"got salvation" people stand. They are a shining light that so gets absorbed by many, they are like "paras"/"magic stone" and whoever they touch turns to Gold. The touch is not superficial but intense recognition and understanding of these so enlightened. [/I][/COLOR][/COLOR][/I][COLOR=Blue][I]Confused ji great truth in the above that you state at least the way I read it.[/I][/COLOR] [COLOR=Blue][I]The enlightened don't need to answer to anyone nor describe their wisdom. What we need to observe is the impact they had at spiritual level and functional level for thousands, millions and even billions. It simply cannot be just washed aside in rhetoric.[/I][/COLOR] [COLOR=Blue][I]Confused ji to be enlightened you don't need to be like God/creator. Stay human as we are and all before were. What made them different was enlightenment in spite of all that you postulate as prerequisites to enlightenment.[/I][I] It matter little if they slayed the five thieves. It mattered much if they had such under control on a sustained basis and that is the best one can hope for or expect to achieve and still find enlightenment.[/I][/COLOR] [COLOR=Blue][I]Confused ji the enlightened share their wisdom without asking for you to write and exam and give you a mark on pass, fail and distinction. The enlightened wanted to teach you fishing and did not give you fish to eat for a day.[/I][/COLOR] [COLOR=Blue][I]Confused ji why should there be a single unique path or runway to take off on "Enlightened Jets". The enlightened teach us the skills. The paths vary and much of the other parameters of existence vary. That is creation. [/I][COLOR=Black]What stays the same is the light of the enlightened which lights our ways but does not chose the ways for us.[/COLOR][COLOR=Black]Regards and thanks as always for your contributions. [B]PS: [/B][COLOR=DarkRed] [B]1. [/B] [B]Harcharanjitsinghdhillon ji[/B] says "...... [I]for satgurus no problem they will earn salvation easily[/I]"[/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR][COLOR=Blue][COLOR=Black][COLOR=DarkRed].[/COLOR] I assume by ..satgurus.. you are referring to Guru Nanak Dev ji and not someone that is not named in this thread. Veer ji if you think the life of Guru Nanak Dev ji's was a piece of cake, try walking a few steps. Guru Nanak Dev ji lived in adversity throughout with overwhelming sea of skeptics and plain enemies who did not see eye to eye with his enlightened ways. Try taking a trip to Mecca or criticize the Brahmins in Benares. mundahug [/COLOR][/COLOR] [COLOR=Blue][COLOR=Black][COLOR=DarkRed][B]2. [/B] [B]Prakash.S.Bagga ji [/B]does raise some great observation. [COLOR=Black]I believe we will be totally amiss of teachings of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji and Guru Nanak Dev ji if keep looking for some easy ways and waiting for the creator's lightening rod to strike us. All enlightened people lived tough lives and practical lives. Hence the need to be very averse of shortcuts, etc. It may serve us well to identify and post about some enlightened people. Let our love not be guiding but what little enlightenment we have so guide us to bring such people to everyone's attention. I am sorry, I cannot name anyone living in this category right now. [/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR][COLOR=Blue][COLOR=Black][COLOR=DarkRed][B]3. Vouthon [/B][B] ji [/B]great post and thanks for your wonderful effort and style of writing. [COLOR=Black]Your message is good and description very logical as to how things are. I have a mental block on God/creator classifying people at birth to be Prophet, etc. It flies straight in the face of so called equality in God/creator's space for all. For example the following from your post, [/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR]"...Cardinal Cusa claimed that [U][I]God sent a variety of prophets into the world in order to reveal Himself[/I][/U] to humanity. To achieve this goal these prophets created a variety of faiths...[B]In this manner Cusa gives such figures as Buddha and Muhammad a similar status to that of prophets of the God of Israel..... " [/B] So technically the statement is correct that God/creator sent such to earth. But such is true of each and everyone and not just the folks mentioned.I believe God/creator embeds great and at times unlimited potential in all. How such produces fruit may or may not be known in all detail by anyone! The infinity of creator and creation is far to huge for our feeble minds beyond conjectures and wishful thinking. [/QUOTE]
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