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Guru Granth Sahib
Composition, Arrangement & Layout
ਜਪੁ | Jup
ਸੋ ਦਰੁ | So Dar
ਸੋਹਿਲਾ | Sohilaa
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ | Raag Siree-Raag
Gurbani (14-53)
Ashtpadiyan (53-71)
Gurbani (71-74)
Pahre (74-78)
Chhant (78-81)
Vanjara (81-82)
Vaar Siri Raag (83-91)
Bhagat Bani (91-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਝ | Raag Maajh
Gurbani (94-109)
Ashtpadi (109)
Ashtpadiyan (110-129)
Ashtpadi (129-130)
Ashtpadiyan (130-133)
Bara Maha (133-136)
Din Raen (136-137)
Vaar Maajh Ki (137-150)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗਉੜੀ | Raag Gauree
Gurbani (151-185)
Quartets/Couplets (185-220)
Ashtpadiyan (220-234)
Karhalei (234-235)
Ashtpadiyan (235-242)
Chhant (242-249)
Baavan Akhari (250-262)
Sukhmani (262-296)
Thittee (296-300)
Gauree kii Vaar (300-323)
Gurbani (323-330)
Ashtpadiyan (330-340)
Baavan Akhari (340-343)
Thintteen (343-344)
Vaar Kabir (344-345)
Bhagat Bani (345-346)
ਰਾਗੁ ਆਸਾ | Raag Aasaa
Gurbani (347-348)
Chaupaday (348-364)
Panchpadde (364-365)
Kaafee (365-409)
Aasaavaree (409-411)
Ashtpadiyan (411-432)
Patee (432-435)
Chhant (435-462)
Vaar Aasaa (462-475)
Bhagat Bani (475-488)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੂਜਰੀ | Raag Goojaree
Gurbani (489-503)
Ashtpadiyan (503-508)
Vaar Gujari (508-517)
Vaar Gujari (517-526)
ਰਾਗੁ ਦੇਵਗੰਧਾਰੀ | Raag Dayv-Gandhaaree
Gurbani (527-536)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਹਾਗੜਾ | Raag Bihaagraa
Gurbani (537-556)
Chhant (538-548)
Vaar Bihaagraa (548-556)
ਰਾਗੁ ਵਡਹੰਸ | Raag Wadhans
Gurbani (557-564)
Ashtpadiyan (564-565)
Chhant (565-575)
Ghoriaan (575-578)
Alaahaniiaa (578-582)
Vaar Wadhans (582-594)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੋਰਠਿ | Raag Sorath
Gurbani (595-634)
Asatpadhiya (634-642)
Vaar Sorath (642-659)
ਰਾਗੁ ਧਨਾਸਰੀ | Raag Dhanasaree
Gurbani (660-685)
Astpadhiya (685-687)
Chhant (687-691)
Bhagat Bani (691-695)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਤਸਰੀ | Raag Jaitsree
Gurbani (696-703)
Chhant (703-705)
Vaar Jaitsaree (705-710)
Bhagat Bani (710)
ਰਾਗੁ ਟੋਡੀ | Raag Todee
ਰਾਗੁ ਬੈਰਾੜੀ | Raag Bairaaree
ਰਾਗੁ ਤਿਲੰਗ | Raag Tilang
Gurbani (721-727)
Bhagat Bani (727)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੂਹੀ | Raag Suhi
Gurbani (728-750)
Ashtpadiyan (750-761)
Kaafee (761-762)
Suchajee (762)
Gunvantee (763)
Chhant (763-785)
Vaar Soohee (785-792)
Bhagat Bani (792-794)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਲਾਵਲੁ | Raag Bilaaval
Gurbani (795-831)
Ashtpadiyan (831-838)
Thitteen (838-840)
Vaar Sat (841-843)
Chhant (843-848)
Vaar Bilaaval (849-855)
Bhagat Bani (855-858)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੋਂਡ | Raag Gond
Gurbani (859-869)
Ashtpadiyan (869)
Bhagat Bani (870-875)
ਰਾਗੁ ਰਾਮਕਲੀ | Raag Ramkalee
Ashtpadiyan (902-916)
Gurbani (876-902)
Anand (917-922)
Sadd (923-924)
Chhant (924-929)
Dakhnee (929-938)
Sidh Gosat (938-946)
Vaar Ramkalee (947-968)
ਰਾਗੁ ਨਟ ਨਾਰਾਇਨ | Raag Nat Narayan
Gurbani (975-980)
Ashtpadiyan (980-983)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਲੀ ਗਉੜਾ | Raag Maalee Gauraa
Gurbani (984-988)
Bhagat Bani (988)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਰੂ | Raag Maaroo
Gurbani (889-1008)
Ashtpadiyan (1008-1014)
Kaafee (1014-1016)
Ashtpadiyan (1016-1019)
Anjulian (1019-1020)
Solhe (1020-1033)
Dakhni (1033-1043)
ਰਾਗੁ ਤੁਖਾਰੀ | Raag Tukhaari
Bara Maha (1107-1110)
Chhant (1110-1117)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕੇਦਾਰਾ | Raag Kedara
Gurbani (1118-1123)
Bhagat Bani (1123-1124)
ਰਾਗੁ ਭੈਰਉ | Raag Bhairo
Gurbani (1125-1152)
Partaal (1153)
Ashtpadiyan (1153-1167)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਸੰਤੁ | Raag Basant
Gurbani (1168-1187)
Ashtpadiyan (1187-1193)
Vaar Basant (1193-1196)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਾਰਗ | Raag Saarag
Gurbani (1197-1200)
Partaal (1200-1231)
Ashtpadiyan (1232-1236)
Chhant (1236-1237)
Vaar Saarang (1237-1253)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਲਾਰ | Raag Malaar
Gurbani (1254-1293)
Partaal (1265-1273)
Ashtpadiyan (1273-1278)
Chhant (1278)
Vaar Malaar (1278-91)
Bhagat Bani (1292-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਾਨੜਾ | Raag Kaanraa
Gurbani (1294-96)
Partaal (1296-1318)
Ashtpadiyan (1308-1312)
Chhant (1312)
Vaar Kaanraa
Bhagat Bani (1318)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਲਿਆਨ | Raag Kalyaan
Gurbani (1319-23)
Ashtpadiyan (1323-26)
ਰਾਗੁ ਪ੍ਰਭਾਤੀ | Raag Prabhaatee
Gurbani (1327-1341)
Ashtpadiyan (1342-51)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਜਾਵੰਤੀ | Raag Jaijaiwanti
Gurbani (1352-53)
Salok | Gatha | Phunahe | Chaubole | Swayiye
Sehskritee Mahala 1
Sehskritee Mahala 5
Gaathaa Mahala 5
Phunhay Mahala 5
Chaubolae Mahala 5
Shaloks Bhagat Kabir
Shaloks Sheikh Farid
Swaiyyae Mahala 5
Swaiyyae in Praise of Gurus
Shaloks in Addition To Vaars
Shalok Ninth Mehl
Mundavanee Mehl 5
ਰਾਗ ਮਾਲਾ, Raag Maalaa
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<blockquote data-quote="harbansj24" data-source="post: 108322" data-attributes="member: 4544"><p><strong>Re: Dilemma for Westerners?</strong></p><p></p><p>liberate ji,</p><p></p><p>May be you are right for for the UK or American situation because there no one is concerned about your religious beliefs. It is strictly treated as your personal affair.</p><p></p><p>Here in India since mid 90s there is no discrimination against Sikhs either social or in the statute. In fact sometimes you given you are given more than your share of consideration which may be embarrassing.</p><p></p><p>But lurking behind this is a desire to bring you as they see it into "The mainstream". People will praise the ten gurus, Granth Sahib, "the hard working, honest and jovial nature of the Sikhs". But with all this they also chat you up on how Hinduism is a way of life and not a religion and that you are a Hindu just by being a citizen of India and that Hinduism permits you to follow your own personal faith etc. For any inaugural function it becomes necessary to break a coconut, light a lamp and recite either Vande Matram or gayatri mantra. Then a tikka is applied very lovingly on your forehead.</p><p></p><p>Of co{censored} they will happily participate on all the Gurudwara functions. Get you official patronages etc. But in one of his famous speaches Vajpayee as Prime Minister quoted Guru Gobind Singh's famous verse "De Shiva Var Mohe........". He then went on to translate it as "Oh lord Shiva please grant me your blessings....!" </p><p></p><p>It is through such subtle actions, we find that a large number of Sikhs in India especially in Punjab have shorn of their hair, go to Hindu temples, Hindu places of pilgrimages and even follow their superstitions but still proclaim themselves as Sikhs. The rural Punjab has been practically lost to Sikhism. More than half of urban Punjab has also been lost.</p><p></p><p>It is for this reason that atleast in India, Sikhs need to keep a separate identity.</p><p></p><p>So why do I talk about this in a article meant for Western Sikhs?</p><p>Firstly because I do not know if it is possible to have one set of rules for Western Sikhs and another for Indian Sikhs and secondly also because liberate ji has not talked about the problems of Western sikhs in particular.</p><p></p><p>Ofco{censored} it is possible to follow Sikh philosophy without keepimg kesh but then they will just like Sehajdhari Sikhs in India. There is no restriction on anyone of whatever faith or caste or appearence from entering and taking part in a gurudwara function.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="harbansj24, post: 108322, member: 4544"] [b]Re: Dilemma for Westerners?[/b] liberate ji, May be you are right for for the UK or American situation because there no one is concerned about your religious beliefs. It is strictly treated as your personal affair. Here in India since mid 90s there is no discrimination against Sikhs either social or in the statute. In fact sometimes you given you are given more than your share of consideration which may be embarrassing. But lurking behind this is a desire to bring you as they see it into "The mainstream". People will praise the ten gurus, Granth Sahib, "the hard working, honest and jovial nature of the Sikhs". But with all this they also chat you up on how Hinduism is a way of life and not a religion and that you are a Hindu just by being a citizen of India and that Hinduism permits you to follow your own personal faith etc. For any inaugural function it becomes necessary to break a coconut, light a lamp and recite either Vande Matram or gayatri mantra. Then a tikka is applied very lovingly on your forehead. Of co{censored} they will happily participate on all the Gurudwara functions. Get you official patronages etc. But in one of his famous speaches Vajpayee as Prime Minister quoted Guru Gobind Singh's famous verse "De Shiva Var Mohe........". He then went on to translate it as "Oh lord Shiva please grant me your blessings....!" It is through such subtle actions, we find that a large number of Sikhs in India especially in Punjab have shorn of their hair, go to Hindu temples, Hindu places of pilgrimages and even follow their superstitions but still proclaim themselves as Sikhs. The rural Punjab has been practically lost to Sikhism. More than half of urban Punjab has also been lost. It is for this reason that atleast in India, Sikhs need to keep a separate identity. So why do I talk about this in a article meant for Western Sikhs? Firstly because I do not know if it is possible to have one set of rules for Western Sikhs and another for Indian Sikhs and secondly also because liberate ji has not talked about the problems of Western sikhs in particular. Ofco{censored} it is possible to follow Sikh philosophy without keepimg kesh but then they will just like Sehajdhari Sikhs in India. There is no restriction on anyone of whatever faith or caste or appearence from entering and taking part in a gurudwara function. [/QUOTE]
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