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Did Sant Jarnail Singh Bhindrawale Ji Ever Get The Respect He Deserved As Sikh Martyr
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<blockquote data-quote="drkhalsa" data-source="post: 21691" data-attributes="member: 384"><p><strong>Re: Sant Baba Jarnail Singh Ji Khalsa Bhindranwale- TRUE SAINT SOLDIER</strong></p><p></p><p>Dear Mbw</p><p> </p><p>I dont know what is your intent or how much inquistive you are regarding the isuue of Jarnail Singh Bhindrawale </p><p> </p><p>This is kind of mentally painful issue for me personaly And I avioid disscusing it and consider it just a waste of time </p><p> </p><p>As you said you have lived in Punjab in that time 83 ,84</p><p> </p><p>The same is true for me as well I was born in Amritsar and has lived there all my life and have very well first person view point of situation and Jarnail Singh ji my father like many other sikhs in amritsar used to attend the speeches at various places amritsar Manji sahib , samundari hall , majhitha and it is totally different from the view projected about him by press of the nation , even akalis who become anti to him and also most important the faction of singhs around Jarnail singh who projected the wrong pictire of him</p><p> </p><p>You said he is not worth calling Sant I would not say whether you are wrong or right and anyway due to recent misuse of this word I and many other senior member on this forum have decided not to use for any body beside Our Guru sahiban . But the thing I want to tell you is about the spirtual status of the Jarnail Singh he was the head of the taksal and was more involved in the work of taksal and there wold have been enough reson for him to get involved in the petty politics of that time </p><p> </p><p>I have listened to Baba Jarnail Singh speeches many times at the time i used to search for answer just like you so i know them quite well</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>Jarnail singh openly asked for fulfillment of Anandpur Matta which was decided by Akalis in 1973 and asked he government of india for what that was prmised to Sikhs at time of partition and as a thank you gift to sikhs for the out of proportion contribution in Freedom struggle and also not demanding different state at the time of Partition</p><p> </p><p>Not to the surprise just opposite to what was promosed Indian government was not even in a mood to make punjab a province , and it was one of the last province to be decleared by the commisioned assigned for this purpose at that time in india </p><p> </p><p>And yet again many sikhs has go for agitation and jails to get punjab approved as provinve and was kind of blow to sikhs in punjab and also made them aware of cebtral government attitude about the sikhs </p><p> </p><p>Now anandpur matta 1973 asked for special autonomous powers for state and as you mentioned special status for punjab like Jammu</p><p>And there was nothing wrong in asking for that but offcourse this gave shivers to the government of that time </p><p> </p><p>The anandpur matta asked for the autonomy to provincial government </p><p> </p><p>Baba Jarnail Singh was convinced at the time that indian government is not not fare when dealing with sikhs and fear their prosperity and rise of pwer as always have been part of Sikh tradition so spoke against all these things openly and asked for justice </p><p> </p><p>As you mnetioned that he monorties feared him , first of all it is difficult to decide who was minority sikh were 52 % of the population and included in then were Radaswami , Nirakari and other anti sikh faction which even make sikh to be minoruty in punjab </p><p> </p><p>He wa sgainst nirankari fir very good reasons and if you dont know then you need to do some research there as well . just to mention</p><p> </p><p>they as backed by anti sikh forces which could have included ruling indian goverment put an open darbar in amritsar where they openly called Guru Nanak a Beggar ,Guru Gobind a Awara / Hunter /Shikari and mocked panj pyara with making sat sitare by himself and even he sat down on diwan with his feet resting on Guru Granth sahib deliberately </p><p>well It might not be a big issue for scholars but was BIG isuue for the people like Jarnail Singh who has Dedicated their whole life as gurmat cause being head of damdami taksal </p><p>on top of that when singhs went to agitation on the spot where every thing was going on then they were fired upon by the nirankaris and 13 people were dead on the spot and our own responsible Indian government as usuall did hardly anything </p><p> </p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>if you have heard this speec yourself and also you were researching the isuue unbiased mindset hen I am really astonished that you just noted this line fo his and nothing ellse around this topic only </p><p> </p><p>this part of statement he gave twice </p><p> </p><p>once in samundari hall </p><p>second time in Manji sahib</p><p> </p><p>when he gave this statement at Manji sahib this statemen t just took him 10 seconds to say while he exlaines for next 20 minutes why he said so and you really happen to miss that nay way i will tell you points he mentioned </p><p> </p><p>He said very clearly that he is not anti hindu in any sense and gave example s fo various hindus who routinely come to him for his help , also to mention one ramayan being burnt in kapurthala and hindu asked for help of him and helped many families of hindu with money any possible thing he could have done </p><p> </p><p>he mentiome that he gave his statement after the statement of Prime minister fo india Indra gandhi ( which I have heard myself ) saying that what sikh are doing punjab they have no care and thought what might happen to sikhs living in other states of india and they should think about them reacting to this statement Jarnail singh said that if this the challenge then sikhs are brave enough as history is witness and if situation arrives every sikh has 35 hindus to tackle and not a big deal </p><p> </p><p>he also mentioned about no case evn after two years since the saropp of Guru Granth Sahib was burnt in Punjab </p><p> </p><p>He also mentioned no inquiry in cases of sikh youth diapearances in punjab on large scale and very prompt response dof goverment in a case of one hindu youth killed in Patiala( punjab) who was mistakenly killed by police and Homeminister and even Indragandhi visited the family personally and were given compensation .</p><p> </p><p>there was mention of harbans lal khanaa in the same diwan who has said this beantiful slogan Ikki Dukki Rehan NI deni Sir te Pagri rehan Nahi deni Kach KARA Kirpan , ehan nu bhejo pakistan </p><p> </p><p>in the same diwan there was mnetion of speeches given Very able indian leaders like Jwahar lal nehru . patel , morargi desae , Tilak about their respectful views about sikhs as lawless {censored}s , if need to wipe 2 crore of sikhs from india for national integrity then it will be done , darshni deori golden doors should be rmoved and sent to temple ( jagannath temple ) and many many others which i dont even care mention</p><p> </p><p>Dear MBW I just want o mention that I have no Anti Hindu feeling and quite confident that i love india more than an average indian do and consider hindus in brother hood of sikhs and Sabat da balaa spirit and so was Baba Jarnail singh abd conditions of the time and various forces made such circumstances and then reprted them in such a way that painted anti hindu pictite of baba jarnail Singh who was to straght forward speak every thing on the face of people and had he benn political minded he would have never died as political minds of the time survived till date and for any body it is not hard to say that politician surrenders , compromise , alter their demands and motives but never ever die so is true about sikh politicians they are well and alive and they did the same what I just mentioned </p><p> </p><p>and like a take home message I am not here convice you that Jarnail Singh was sant or not but for sure he was great man in my prospective and much much nore spirtual being then myself and my reaseach has been unable to find in bad light even though such reaseraches are never complete whether its your or mine </p><p> </p><p>And fully agree with Vijaydeep that it is not wise to highlight such aspects of various factions fo sikhs whether in past and present and we all should look forward to move ahead together for brighter future of panth </p><p> </p><p>Jatinder Singh</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="drkhalsa, post: 21691, member: 384"] [b]Re: Sant Baba Jarnail Singh Ji Khalsa Bhindranwale- TRUE SAINT SOLDIER[/b] Dear Mbw I dont know what is your intent or how much inquistive you are regarding the isuue of Jarnail Singh Bhindrawale This is kind of mentally painful issue for me personaly And I avioid disscusing it and consider it just a waste of time As you said you have lived in Punjab in that time 83 ,84 The same is true for me as well I was born in Amritsar and has lived there all my life and have very well first person view point of situation and Jarnail Singh ji my father like many other sikhs in amritsar used to attend the speeches at various places amritsar Manji sahib , samundari hall , majhitha and it is totally different from the view projected about him by press of the nation , even akalis who become anti to him and also most important the faction of singhs around Jarnail singh who projected the wrong pictire of him You said he is not worth calling Sant I would not say whether you are wrong or right and anyway due to recent misuse of this word I and many other senior member on this forum have decided not to use for any body beside Our Guru sahiban . But the thing I want to tell you is about the spirtual status of the Jarnail Singh he was the head of the taksal and was more involved in the work of taksal and there wold have been enough reson for him to get involved in the petty politics of that time I have listened to Baba Jarnail Singh speeches many times at the time i used to search for answer just like you so i know them quite well Jarnail singh openly asked for fulfillment of Anandpur Matta which was decided by Akalis in 1973 and asked he government of india for what that was prmised to Sikhs at time of partition and as a thank you gift to sikhs for the out of proportion contribution in Freedom struggle and also not demanding different state at the time of Partition Not to the surprise just opposite to what was promosed Indian government was not even in a mood to make punjab a province , and it was one of the last province to be decleared by the commisioned assigned for this purpose at that time in india And yet again many sikhs has go for agitation and jails to get punjab approved as provinve and was kind of blow to sikhs in punjab and also made them aware of cebtral government attitude about the sikhs Now anandpur matta 1973 asked for special autonomous powers for state and as you mentioned special status for punjab like Jammu And there was nothing wrong in asking for that but offcourse this gave shivers to the government of that time The anandpur matta asked for the autonomy to provincial government Baba Jarnail Singh was convinced at the time that indian government is not not fare when dealing with sikhs and fear their prosperity and rise of pwer as always have been part of Sikh tradition so spoke against all these things openly and asked for justice As you mnetioned that he monorties feared him , first of all it is difficult to decide who was minority sikh were 52 % of the population and included in then were Radaswami , Nirakari and other anti sikh faction which even make sikh to be minoruty in punjab He wa sgainst nirankari fir very good reasons and if you dont know then you need to do some research there as well . just to mention they as backed by anti sikh forces which could have included ruling indian goverment put an open darbar in amritsar where they openly called Guru Nanak a Beggar ,Guru Gobind a Awara / Hunter /Shikari and mocked panj pyara with making sat sitare by himself and even he sat down on diwan with his feet resting on Guru Granth sahib deliberately well It might not be a big issue for scholars but was BIG isuue for the people like Jarnail Singh who has Dedicated their whole life as gurmat cause being head of damdami taksal on top of that when singhs went to agitation on the spot where every thing was going on then they were fired upon by the nirankaris and 13 people were dead on the spot and our own responsible Indian government as usuall did hardly anything if you have heard this speec yourself and also you were researching the isuue unbiased mindset hen I am really astonished that you just noted this line fo his and nothing ellse around this topic only this part of statement he gave twice once in samundari hall second time in Manji sahib when he gave this statement at Manji sahib this statemen t just took him 10 seconds to say while he exlaines for next 20 minutes why he said so and you really happen to miss that nay way i will tell you points he mentioned He said very clearly that he is not anti hindu in any sense and gave example s fo various hindus who routinely come to him for his help , also to mention one ramayan being burnt in kapurthala and hindu asked for help of him and helped many families of hindu with money any possible thing he could have done he mentiome that he gave his statement after the statement of Prime minister fo india Indra gandhi ( which I have heard myself ) saying that what sikh are doing punjab they have no care and thought what might happen to sikhs living in other states of india and they should think about them reacting to this statement Jarnail singh said that if this the challenge then sikhs are brave enough as history is witness and if situation arrives every sikh has 35 hindus to tackle and not a big deal he also mentioned about no case evn after two years since the saropp of Guru Granth Sahib was burnt in Punjab He also mentioned no inquiry in cases of sikh youth diapearances in punjab on large scale and very prompt response dof goverment in a case of one hindu youth killed in Patiala( punjab) who was mistakenly killed by police and Homeminister and even Indragandhi visited the family personally and were given compensation . there was mention of harbans lal khanaa in the same diwan who has said this beantiful slogan Ikki Dukki Rehan NI deni Sir te Pagri rehan Nahi deni Kach KARA Kirpan , ehan nu bhejo pakistan in the same diwan there was mnetion of speeches given Very able indian leaders like Jwahar lal nehru . patel , morargi desae , Tilak about their respectful views about sikhs as lawless {censored}s , if need to wipe 2 crore of sikhs from india for national integrity then it will be done , darshni deori golden doors should be rmoved and sent to temple ( jagannath temple ) and many many others which i dont even care mention Dear MBW I just want o mention that I have no Anti Hindu feeling and quite confident that i love india more than an average indian do and consider hindus in brother hood of sikhs and Sabat da balaa spirit and so was Baba Jarnail singh abd conditions of the time and various forces made such circumstances and then reprted them in such a way that painted anti hindu pictite of baba jarnail Singh who was to straght forward speak every thing on the face of people and had he benn political minded he would have never died as political minds of the time survived till date and for any body it is not hard to say that politician surrenders , compromise , alter their demands and motives but never ever die so is true about sikh politicians they are well and alive and they did the same what I just mentioned and like a take home message I am not here convice you that Jarnail Singh was sant or not but for sure he was great man in my prospective and much much nore spirtual being then myself and my reaseach has been unable to find in bad light even though such reaseraches are never complete whether its your or mine And fully agree with Vijaydeep that it is not wise to highlight such aspects of various factions fo sikhs whether in past and present and we all should look forward to move ahead together for brighter future of panth Jatinder Singh [/QUOTE]
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