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Gurbani (94-109)
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Ashtpadi (129-130)
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Bara Maha (133-136)
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Gurbani (151-185)
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Gurbani (347-348)
Chaupaday (348-364)
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ਰਾਗੁ ਗੂਜਰੀ | Raag Goojaree
Gurbani (489-503)
Ashtpadiyan (503-508)
Vaar Gujari (508-517)
Vaar Gujari (517-526)
ਰਾਗੁ ਦੇਵਗੰਧਾਰੀ | Raag Dayv-Gandhaaree
Gurbani (527-536)
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Gurbani (537-556)
Chhant (538-548)
Vaar Bihaagraa (548-556)
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Gurbani (557-564)
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Chhant (565-575)
Ghoriaan (575-578)
Alaahaniiaa (578-582)
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ਰਾਗੁ ਸੋਰਠਿ | Raag Sorath
Gurbani (595-634)
Asatpadhiya (634-642)
Vaar Sorath (642-659)
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Gurbani (660-685)
Astpadhiya (685-687)
Chhant (687-691)
Bhagat Bani (691-695)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਤਸਰੀ | Raag Jaitsree
Gurbani (696-703)
Chhant (703-705)
Vaar Jaitsaree (705-710)
Bhagat Bani (710)
ਰਾਗੁ ਟੋਡੀ | Raag Todee
ਰਾਗੁ ਬੈਰਾੜੀ | Raag Bairaaree
ਰਾਗੁ ਤਿਲੰਗ | Raag Tilang
Gurbani (721-727)
Bhagat Bani (727)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੂਹੀ | Raag Suhi
Gurbani (728-750)
Ashtpadiyan (750-761)
Kaafee (761-762)
Suchajee (762)
Gunvantee (763)
Chhant (763-785)
Vaar Soohee (785-792)
Bhagat Bani (792-794)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਲਾਵਲੁ | Raag Bilaaval
Gurbani (795-831)
Ashtpadiyan (831-838)
Thitteen (838-840)
Vaar Sat (841-843)
Chhant (843-848)
Vaar Bilaaval (849-855)
Bhagat Bani (855-858)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੋਂਡ | Raag Gond
Gurbani (859-869)
Ashtpadiyan (869)
Bhagat Bani (870-875)
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Ashtpadiyan (902-916)
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Anand (917-922)
Sadd (923-924)
Chhant (924-929)
Dakhnee (929-938)
Sidh Gosat (938-946)
Vaar Ramkalee (947-968)
ਰਾਗੁ ਨਟ ਨਾਰਾਇਨ | Raag Nat Narayan
Gurbani (975-980)
Ashtpadiyan (980-983)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਲੀ ਗਉੜਾ | Raag Maalee Gauraa
Gurbani (984-988)
Bhagat Bani (988)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਰੂ | Raag Maaroo
Gurbani (889-1008)
Ashtpadiyan (1008-1014)
Kaafee (1014-1016)
Ashtpadiyan (1016-1019)
Anjulian (1019-1020)
Solhe (1020-1033)
Dakhni (1033-1043)
ਰਾਗੁ ਤੁਖਾਰੀ | Raag Tukhaari
Bara Maha (1107-1110)
Chhant (1110-1117)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕੇਦਾਰਾ | Raag Kedara
Gurbani (1118-1123)
Bhagat Bani (1123-1124)
ਰਾਗੁ ਭੈਰਉ | Raag Bhairo
Gurbani (1125-1152)
Partaal (1153)
Ashtpadiyan (1153-1167)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਸੰਤੁ | Raag Basant
Gurbani (1168-1187)
Ashtpadiyan (1187-1193)
Vaar Basant (1193-1196)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਾਰਗ | Raag Saarag
Gurbani (1197-1200)
Partaal (1200-1231)
Ashtpadiyan (1232-1236)
Chhant (1236-1237)
Vaar Saarang (1237-1253)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਲਾਰ | Raag Malaar
Gurbani (1254-1293)
Partaal (1265-1273)
Ashtpadiyan (1273-1278)
Chhant (1278)
Vaar Malaar (1278-91)
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Gurbani (1294-96)
Partaal (1296-1318)
Ashtpadiyan (1308-1312)
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Bhagat Bani (1318)
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Gurbani (1327-1341)
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Gurbani (1352-53)
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<blockquote data-quote="Inder singh" data-source="post: 105261" data-attributes="member: 5795"><p>Tejwant ji</p><p></p><p>You started posting on sikh awareness and you asked me the same question.You read my reply there . Wetre you not satisfied with that.WHy you ran away from there.</p><p></p><p>Your lies will get exposed if you see thread <strong>Ardas changed in finland</strong> where you attacked me personally and wrote that dasam Granth is anti gurmat. You also wrote that Pauri of ardas is anti gurmat. Why did you write this when you know that this scripture form part of and parcel of sikh ethos. I aske you reference but instaed got insults.</p><p></p><p>You also wrote i am peddling Dasam granth in the same thread. You also wrote that i am a Hindu promoting dasam granth. Do you expect me to keep quiet after listening to you r insults about a sikh scripture whose bani form part of nitnem.</p><p></p><p>I came to this site when dal singh told me that we should discuss Dasam granth there. I had reservation about your behaviour and i brought this to his attention. Now your aim seeem to be to spoil this thraed as you do not want to seem to engae in any discussion on Dasam granth issue.</p><p> </p><p>Please read the thread below as a sample and note capital leters where you are asking to saty on one topic.</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh-sikhi-sikhism/25092-ardaas-changed-11.html" target="_blank">http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh-sikhi-sikhism/25092-ardaas-changed-11.html</a></p><p style="text-align: left"> </p> <p style="text-align: left"> Tejwant ji</p> <p style="text-align: left"></p> <p style="text-align: left">Waheguru ji ka khalsa</p> <p style="text-align: left">Waheguru ji ki fateh</p> <p style="text-align: left"></p> <p style="text-align: left">My remarks are no harsher than the ones that you wrote in your first post for me. Please see your language before accusing others. </p> <p style="text-align: left"></p> <p style="text-align: left"></p> <p style="text-align: left"> As ardas beginning is from dasam granth it is but natural dasam Granth will come in the picture.</p> <p style="text-align: left"></p> <p style="text-align: left">It depends upon the person who reads these compositions. if the reader's mind is sexually oriented he will go for that. But suffice to say that Dasam granth is for Gurmukh jogis and not manmukh bhogis.</p> <p style="text-align: left"></p> <p style="text-align: left"> ? </p> <p style="text-align: left"> </p> <p style="text-align: left">1 It is immaterial whether tenth master gave it the name or not. name does not have any effect on the contents.</p> <p style="text-align: left"></p> <p style="text-align: left">2) It is the prerogative of Guru ji. I am a mortal person and has no authority to question his decision.</p> <p style="text-align: left"></p> <p style="text-align: left">3) Dasam Granth is for khalsa panth dealing with sikhism as an organized religion. </p> <p style="text-align: left"></p> <p style="text-align: left"> </p> <p style="text-align: left"> An accepted Granth needs no propagation. Khlasa panth is propagating it. Only a few heretics are waging a propaganda compaign deliberately to belittle a scripture that forms the core of khalsa panth.</p> <p style="text-align: left"></p> <p style="text-align: left"> You wrote in your post the following</p> <p style="text-align: left"><strong>Quote</strong></p> <p style="text-align: left"> we will notice that it is against the Gurmat ideals given to us by our Gurus in the Sri <span style="color: #000000"><a href="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/guru-granth-sahib/" target="_blank">Guru Granth Sahib</a></span> Ji.</p> <p style="text-align: left"></p> <p style="text-align: left">Unquote</p> <p style="text-align: left"></p> <p style="text-align: left">Can you specify what is anti Gurmat in subject pauri of ardas? Give answers instead of lengthening the discussion.</p> <p style="text-align: left"></p> <p style="text-align: left"> It is good to know that you have read it. You might be knowing the dates of completion of various compositions given in that. Then why the doubt? </p> <p style="text-align: left"></p> <p style="text-align: left"> That shows your attitude of insult towrads bani of tenth master. You are being uncivilized when you call it so called dasam granth. I hope you show some sensitivity towards a scripture whose banis <a href="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh/" target="_blank">Sikhs</a>( except a few heretics) follow.</p> <p style="text-align: left"></p> <p style="text-align: left">Let me take a practical step. You live quite close to me. My friend has three digitised copies of Dasam Granth manuscripts with him in northern california. Come and see those. Accept the offer if you are a Gursikh.</p> <p style="text-align: left"></p> <p style="text-align: left"></p> <p style="text-align: left"> </p> <p style="text-align: left"> I have cited plenty of evidence that says .Dasam granth was part of <a href="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh/" target="_blank">Sikh</a> psyche and was placed alongside Sri <a href="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/guru-granth-sahib/" target="_blank">Guru Granth Sahib</a> Ji in Gurmattas. Is it not enough? Since you cast aspersions on this it is your job to show us the evidence from <a href="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh/" target="_blank">Sikh</a> history with refrence. I am not asking for the moon. I am asking what you are supposed to furnish whenou make an accustaion contrary to <a href="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh/" target="_blank">Sikh</a> history and traditions. </p> <p style="text-align: left"></p> <p style="text-align: left"> I gave the facts about Inder ghagha who instigated to change ardas. You asked for proof. I gave you proof. Did it not satisfy you. If not i can post the video evidence here that shows him in discussion with some singhs in toronto where he was caught for passing stupid remarks against <a href="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/guru-nanak-dev/" target="_blank">Guru Nanak Dev</a> ji and Guru arjan dev ji. Do you want that?</p> <p style="text-align: left"></p> <p style="text-align: left"> </p> <p style="text-align: left"> Tejwant ji, your heart seems to be very soft for those who resort to blasphemy and ridicule our Gurus. unfortunately that is not the case with me. I believe in couplet</p> <p style="text-align: left"></p> <p style="text-align: left">Gur ki ninda sune na kaan</p> <p style="text-align: left"></p> <p style="text-align: left"> It is your personal assumption. let us not focus on personalities</p> <p style="text-align: left"></p> <p style="text-align: left"></p> <p style="text-align: left">PS: Please post a refrence here from <a href="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh/" target="_blank">Sikh</a> history wherein it is stated that Ardas was anti gurmat? If you are not able to do that, please be bold enough for tendering an apology to sangat for misleading them. </p><p> <p style="text-align: right"> <a href="http://del.icio.us/post?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sikhphilosophy.net%2Fsikh-sikhi-sikhism%2F25092-ardaas-changed-11.html%23post101628&title=Ardaas+Changed" target="_blank"><img src="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/images/vbseo/delicious.gif" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></a><a href="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/post_thanks.php?do=post_thanks_add&p=101628&securitytoken=1246419066-f4d1c19b89b4943c1aa20d89bc52217ed2811705" target="_blank"></a></p> <p style="text-align: right"><a href="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/post_thanks.php?do=post_thanks_add&p=101628&securitytoken=1246419066-f4d1c19b89b4943c1aa20d89bc52217ed2811705" target="_blank"></a> </p><p> <a href="http://digg.com/submit?phase=2&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sikhphilosophy.net%2Fsikh-sikhi-sikhism%2F25092-ardaas-changed-11.html%23post101628&title=Ardaas+Changed" target="_blank"></a></p><p><a href="http://digg.com/submit?phase=2&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sikhphilosophy.net%2Fsikh-sikhi-sikhism%2F25092-ardaas-changed-11.html%23post101628&title=Ardaas+Changed" target="_blank"></a></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Inder singh, post: 105261, member: 5795"] Tejwant ji You started posting on sikh awareness and you asked me the same question.You read my reply there . Wetre you not satisfied with that.WHy you ran away from there. Your lies will get exposed if you see thread [B]Ardas changed in finland[/B] where you attacked me personally and wrote that dasam Granth is anti gurmat. You also wrote that Pauri of ardas is anti gurmat. Why did you write this when you know that this scripture form part of and parcel of sikh ethos. I aske you reference but instaed got insults. You also wrote i am peddling Dasam granth in the same thread. You also wrote that i am a Hindu promoting dasam granth. Do you expect me to keep quiet after listening to you r insults about a sikh scripture whose bani form part of nitnem. I came to this site when dal singh told me that we should discuss Dasam granth there. I had reservation about your behaviour and i brought this to his attention. Now your aim seeem to be to spoil this thraed as you do not want to seem to engae in any discussion on Dasam granth issue. Please read the thread below as a sample and note capital leters where you are asking to saty on one topic. [URL]http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh-sikhi-sikhism/25092-ardaas-changed-11.html[/URL] [LEFT] Tejwant ji Waheguru ji ka khalsa Waheguru ji ki fateh My remarks are no harsher than the ones that you wrote in your first post for me. Please see your language before accusing others. As ardas beginning is from dasam granth it is but natural dasam Granth will come in the picture. It depends upon the person who reads these compositions. if the reader's mind is sexually oriented he will go for that. But suffice to say that Dasam granth is for Gurmukh jogis and not manmukh bhogis. ? 1 It is immaterial whether tenth master gave it the name or not. name does not have any effect on the contents. 2) It is the prerogative of Guru ji. I am a mortal person and has no authority to question his decision. 3) Dasam Granth is for khalsa panth dealing with sikhism as an organized religion. An accepted Granth needs no propagation. Khlasa panth is propagating it. Only a few heretics are waging a propaganda compaign deliberately to belittle a scripture that forms the core of khalsa panth. You wrote in your post the following [B]Quote[/B] we will notice that it is against the Gurmat ideals given to us by our Gurus in the Sri [COLOR=#000000][URL="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/guru-granth-sahib/"]Guru Granth Sahib[/URL][/COLOR] Ji. Unquote Can you specify what is anti Gurmat in subject pauri of ardas? Give answers instead of lengthening the discussion. It is good to know that you have read it. You might be knowing the dates of completion of various compositions given in that. Then why the doubt? That shows your attitude of insult towrads bani of tenth master. You are being uncivilized when you call it so called dasam granth. I hope you show some sensitivity towards a scripture whose banis [URL="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh/"]Sikhs[/URL]( except a few heretics) follow. Let me take a practical step. You live quite close to me. My friend has three digitised copies of Dasam Granth manuscripts with him in northern california. Come and see those. Accept the offer if you are a Gursikh. I have cited plenty of evidence that says .Dasam granth was part of [URL="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh/"]Sikh[/URL] psyche and was placed alongside Sri [URL="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/guru-granth-sahib/"]Guru Granth Sahib[/URL] Ji in Gurmattas. Is it not enough? Since you cast aspersions on this it is your job to show us the evidence from [URL="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh/"]Sikh[/URL] history with refrence. I am not asking for the moon. I am asking what you are supposed to furnish whenou make an accustaion contrary to [URL="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh/"]Sikh[/URL] history and traditions. I gave the facts about Inder ghagha who instigated to change ardas. You asked for proof. I gave you proof. Did it not satisfy you. If not i can post the video evidence here that shows him in discussion with some singhs in toronto where he was caught for passing stupid remarks against [URL="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/guru-nanak-dev/"]Guru Nanak Dev[/URL] ji and Guru arjan dev ji. Do you want that? Tejwant ji, your heart seems to be very soft for those who resort to blasphemy and ridicule our Gurus. unfortunately that is not the case with me. I believe in couplet Gur ki ninda sune na kaan It is your personal assumption. let us not focus on personalities PS: Please post a refrence here from [URL="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh/"]Sikh[/URL] history wherein it is stated that Ardas was anti gurmat? If you are not able to do that, please be bold enough for tendering an apology to sangat for misleading them. [/LEFT] [RIGHT] [URL="http://del.icio.us/post?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sikhphilosophy.net%2Fsikh-sikhi-sikhism%2F25092-ardaas-changed-11.html%23post101628&title=Ardaas+Changed"][IMG]http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/images/vbseo/delicious.gif[/IMG][/URL][URL="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/post_thanks.php?do=post_thanks_add&p=101628&securitytoken=1246419066-f4d1c19b89b4943c1aa20d89bc52217ed2811705"] [/URL] [/RIGHT] [URL="http://digg.com/submit?phase=2&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sikhphilosophy.net%2Fsikh-sikhi-sikhism%2F25092-ardaas-changed-11.html%23post101628&title=Ardaas+Changed"] [/URL] [/QUOTE]
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