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Consumption Of Alcohol Amongst Sikhs
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<blockquote data-quote="Randip Singh" data-source="post: 145724" data-attributes="member: 1323"><p>[</p><p></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><o<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />> </o<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">You clearly did associate the two…as one seemed to go hand in hand with another….this is clearly not the case.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><o<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />> </o<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">In the same context, one could argue the Guru Granth Sahib ji does not tell you to eat Halwa. It does not tell you to eat Bhel puri. The Guru Granth Sahib ji is not an a la carte menu.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><o<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />> </o<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">The Sikh Rehat Maryada does not forbid Sikhs from eating meat bar Kutthaa meat.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><o<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />> </o<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">…and Guru Nanak says “that those people who hold up their noses to meat devour people at night”!!!</span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><o<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />> </o<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />></span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><o<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />> </o<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Define simple food?</span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><o<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />> </o<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">For the native plains American, the buffalo is simple food. For the Eskimo, seal meat is simple food.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><o<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />> </o<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">…..and we do not take control of ourselves, as that is defined as Munmookee. We let Waheguru take control of ourselves</span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><o<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />> </o<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />></span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><o<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />> </o<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">The Guru’s tell us this sort of abstinence is a folly. What is more beneficial is being in balance. Eating all sorts of food but in moderation is better.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><o<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />> </o<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><o<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />> </o<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Just eating meat is bad for you. Just eating Daal is bad for you.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><o<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />> </o<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">If you don’t eat meat, then that is up to you.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><o<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />> </o<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><o<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />> </o<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />></span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Like alcohol it depends what you are using coffee for. Many of my fellow bodybuilders use half a cup of coffee as a stimulant just before weighlifting. Too much caffeine is bad.</span></span></p><p><o<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />> </o<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">The same applies to alcohol. Alcohol can be used in medicines. Some people use it as a cold remedy.</span></span></p><p><o<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />> </o<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">I avoid alcohol because we have many alcoholics in my family, but I drink coffee and tea in moderation. I drink plenty of water. I also eat vegetables, meat, bread and even some sweet things in Moderation and in balance. This is what all the symbols in Sikhism allude us to. BALANCE! Be it Shakti and Bhakti. Miri and Piri, or our symbol (the Nishan Sahib). All perfectly balanced!!!</span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Randip Singh, post: 145724, member: 1323"] [ [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]<o:p> </o:p>[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]You clearly did associate the two…as one seemed to go hand in hand with another….this is clearly not the case.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]<o:p> </o:p>[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]In the same context, one could argue the Guru Granth Sahib ji does not tell you to eat Halwa. It does not tell you to eat Bhel puri. The Guru Granth Sahib ji is not an a la carte menu.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]<o:p> </o:p>[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]The Sikh Rehat Maryada does not forbid Sikhs from eating meat bar Kutthaa meat.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]<o:p> </o:p>[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]…and Guru Nanak says “that those people who hold up their noses to meat devour people at night”!!![/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]<o:p> </o:p>[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]<o:p> </o:p>[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Define simple food?[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]<o:p> </o:p>[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]For the native plains American, the buffalo is simple food. For the Eskimo, seal meat is simple food.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]<o:p> </o:p>[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]…..and we do not take control of ourselves, as that is defined as Munmookee. We let Waheguru take control of ourselves[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]<o:p> </o:p>[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]<o:p> </o:p>[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]The Guru’s tell us this sort of abstinence is a folly. What is more beneficial is being in balance. Eating all sorts of food but in moderation is better.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]<o:p> </o:p>[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]<o:p> </o:p>[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Just eating meat is bad for you. Just eating Daal is bad for you.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]<o:p> </o:p>[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]If you don’t eat meat, then that is up to you.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]<o:p> </o:p>[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]<o:p> </o:p>[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Like alcohol it depends what you are using coffee for. Many of my fellow bodybuilders use half a cup of coffee as a stimulant just before weighlifting. Too much caffeine is bad.[/SIZE][/FONT] <o:p>[FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT]</o:p> [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]The same applies to alcohol. Alcohol can be used in medicines. Some people use it as a cold remedy.[/SIZE][/FONT] <o:p>[FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT]</o:p> [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]I avoid alcohol because we have many alcoholics in my family, but I drink coffee and tea in moderation. I drink plenty of water. I also eat vegetables, meat, bread and even some sweet things in Moderation and in balance. This is what all the symbols in Sikhism allude us to. BALANCE! Be it Shakti and Bhakti. Miri and Piri, or our symbol (the Nishan Sahib). All perfectly balanced!!![/SIZE][/FONT] [/QUOTE]
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