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Bachittar Natak
Charitropakhyan: Translation By Sardar Kapur Singh
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<blockquote data-quote="Luckysingh" data-source="post: 178646" data-attributes="member: 16886"><p>That's a nice way of expressing a valid point, -I like that Gyaniji... quite precise!!</p><p>All the other points hold very strong as well.</p><p> </p><p>I hope all of you are not thinking that I have joined the DG bandwagon or one of these jathabandis that just believe,stand and sing DG very 'blindly' !!</p><p>...............</p><p>...Far from it.!</p><p>I see the DG and especially the above contents as extra reference reading and material!! Nothing more, nothing less.</p><p><em>Be warned though, I am a person that gets inspired by disney stories, hollywood movies, pop,rock and rap songs!! The DG content that can inspire and invoke some gurmat in me, is also available in all corners of my life, like other media.</em></p><p> </p><p>Anyway-.... This particular section(charitars) takes up a huge amount of DG and sits on a different platform altogether when compared to other content.</p><p>How much of it is authentic or not, - No one can really say or justify. We have to remember that at all times.</p><p> </p><p>I think that it is very wise to approach the DG tales and stories being forarmed and pre-equipped with ALL of Gyanji's points above.</p><p>If you are well armed with this knowledge, then hopefully you won't pick up and take away any wrong gyan from it. (that's what I feel!)</p><p> </p><p> </p><p>However, I would just like to point at <strong>2 different points</strong> that I can pick up from the charitars when it comes to morals or even advice!</p><p> </p><p><strong>First point is 'Kaam'</strong>.</p><p>Now, like many punjabi indians who like to brush it all under the carpet and keep the subject 'taboo' outside bedroom doors. I'm sure that we have all tried to handle it in this way at some moments in time.</p><p>This is our own so called 'avoidance'.</p><p> </p><p>We find it easier to avoid it altogether by staying away from all things in the surroundings that may incite these feelings of kaam or lust.</p><p>We even try to convince ourselves that we 'NEVER" think about it ???...... 'What Never ?'!!!!!!...........</p><p> </p><p> </p><p>Just a few Notes on <strong>'KAAM'</strong> first of all...............</p><p>Fact is- </p><p>Seniors in their last years of life, last week, last day, last second are dying, but the kaam inside of them is still alive and having a party. </p><p>Their hair has fallen out, they can barely move a muscle, but kaam is still present in their system and has not slowed down.</p><p>This kaam stays alive and kicking until the day we die.</p><p>Just as a man can go on producing sperm cells until death</p><p>,BUT the woman loses the ability to concieve after menopause and this does lower her kaam to an extent compared to the man's.</p><p>Therefore it is very possible for an 80 year old man to help concieve a child with a younger female, BUT it is very unlikely that an 80 yr old female will concieve anything !</p><p> </p><p>I have a little theory on this about the power a woman can have to use Kaam while she's younger in order to have a man dancing on her fingers as punjabis say 'unglan te nachon'</p><p>But very, very few men, can use the kaam as a weapon over women in a similar way. Instead we have men that use other weapons of abuse(such as physical force, blackmail and power) with the vulnerable to feed their kaam !!</p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Lucida Sans Unicode'">My theory is along the lines that a woman can have more power and weaponary use with the subject of kaam and therefore she experiences this decline later on in life compared to the hungry male!! So on a mathematical graph the 'area under the curve' for KAAM Activity throughout life would be similar in both sexes !</span></p><p> </p><p> </p><p>Can anyone really beat this Kaam and give it a good run ??</p><p>-Some practice yoga (breathing exercises, postures, mantras, etc) to get rid of it, but yoga has failed the devotee for since it was introduced. </p><p>No one beat kaam by doing yoga. </p><p>No one beat kaam by indulging in it.</p><p>No one beat kaam by replacing it with another intoxicate and then reading Bani.</p><p>No one beat kaam by avoiding it. </p><p>No one beat kaam by ignoring it. </p><p> </p><p>So, where does ONE start ??</p><p>NOTE-<em>The charitars do well in warning us and cautioning, but I haven't come across one that tells you where to start your own personal battle with your own kaam ??</em></p><p> </p><p>Well, just like others have cut and pasted their own contributions in DG.</p><p>The charitars have only inspired me to come up with my own personal contribution, of HOW and WHERE to start this personal battle.............(see what you think)!!</p><p>(you never know, it may even be in a future revised edition!)</p><p> </p><p>Here goes............-</p><p> </p><p>-What do you eat for breakfast, lunch, and dinner? </p><p>Does it have that tasty good salt feeling, what about that little mouth burning feel or what about that sweet sugar taste?</p><p>Think back to the time when your mom made that daal that had no spice or salt taste!! You know that plain taste that we would call bland now ! </p><p>Try that food again from now on...........or have that pizza with soo much cheese, sauce and oil that excites the mind and stimulates all your taste buds..</p><p> </p><p>Well try to consider it poison and forbidden from now on.!!!!!!</p><p>Whatever soft drink you drink, stop drinking it and think................I love me some water or juice right now.</p><p> </p><p>This is the way to start !!</p><p>How far will you go ?</p><p>Will you be happy and content with the bland stuff ? If Not, then what will make you more accepting and content with the simple bland food that is mentioned in shabad that I can't recall !</p><p>ASK, the Lord to give you strength and determination to make you more accepting. There is no point accepting and then being grumpy and miserable is there ?</p><p> </p><p>I'm pretty sure that this determination on taste bud control can affect your control over your kaam and I am sure that people who can refuse chocolate and all other exotically rich foods outright are the ones that have near enough complete control over kaam.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p>Now, what I see being addressed is this weakness to kaam and how men can fall prey, how great kings have fallen to kaam by being tricked.</p><p>The charitars give you the warning and results, but they don't touch too much on the HOW to conquer.</p><p> </p><p>I said earlier that there were <strong>2 points, the 1st being Kaam</strong>.</p><p> </p><p>The<strong> <em>2nd point</em></strong> that jumps to me is the one of<strong> <u>'Deception</u>'</strong> or being subject to <strong>trickery, deceiving, unfaithfulness </strong>and<strong> being mislead.</strong></p><p> </p><p><strong>-</strong>I firmly believe that this was something that Guruji had a greater disliking and discomfort with. </p><p>I have come to believe that Guruji was NOT as upset about losing his sons, mother and father- even though they were lost in the hands of the moghul enemies. For he lovingly accepted this great loss as HUKAM, the sweet will of God 'bannaa mithaa lag tera'</p><p> </p><p> </p><p>BUT, it is a BIG BUT, He was more upset and angry at the fact that Aurungzeb had sworn on the Koran that he would NOT surprise attack him and his people as they left their fort. But he went and did just that !</p><p>He went back on his oath, he lied, he deceived the Guru and his people.</p><p> </p><p>This is something that Guruji found more disturbing to accept.</p><p>(I may be completely wrong and off the mark here,so please forgive me- but this is what I have come to believe after reading various accounts)</p><p> </p><p>Saying this, I feel that many of the charitars actually touch on this very concept of deception. </p><p>I think that it is a fore warning to be prepared not to fall prey to a deceptor.</p><p>I reckon in the battlefield, the chances of a sikh falling victim to such deception can be quite high.</p><p>Personally, I have very recently myself been the victim of a deceiving action by a higher authority.</p><p>I won't give any names or details as they have not done anything illegal or wrong,as they acted within the guidelines of law and criteria.</p><p>BUT they did a good job of fooling me into believing something else.</p><p>They tricked and played with my emotions by putting my hopes up.</p><p>In ALL honesty, it really hurts.</p><p>Even this very moment when I think about it, I feel cheated, upset and weak. I have also come to feel like the gullible fool in this personal incident.</p><p>Just thinking and contemplating what our Guruji went through is the only thing that gives me strength and courage to not fall prey again.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p><span style="color: magenta">To be on the receiving end of deception is what the warning is about from most of these charitars.</span></p><p><span style="color: magenta">Although, I don't see why Guruji would have really given us that many different stories all focusing on 'Kaam' and 'Deception'. </span></p><p><span style="color: #ff00ff">Although, I admit that I may find some gurmat, message and inspiration in some of this material, whereas others can't very easily,- Also goes to prove on why would he make the DG so complicated as if to get the message you need to understand the secret code language ??</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff00ff">When we have the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji that appeals to the masses in a simple, realistic and straightforward manner even if it has metphors to ancient stroies in scriptures.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff00ff">So, even though I have highlighted some points to add to my sikhi learning curve from the DG, does not mean that I'm going to start demanding it's prakash or anything!</span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: magenta">But getting away from this authenticity point, I hope you can see my two main points that have been inspired and derived from this section of the literature in DG.</span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Luckysingh, post: 178646, member: 16886"] That's a nice way of expressing a valid point, -I like that Gyaniji... quite precise!! All the other points hold very strong as well. I hope all of you are not thinking that I have joined the DG bandwagon or one of these jathabandis that just believe,stand and sing DG very 'blindly' !! ............... ...Far from it.! I see the DG and especially the above contents as extra reference reading and material!! Nothing more, nothing less. [I]Be warned though, I am a person that gets inspired by disney stories, hollywood movies, pop,rock and rap songs!! The DG content that can inspire and invoke some gurmat in me, is also available in all corners of my life, like other media.[/I] Anyway-.... This particular section(charitars) takes up a huge amount of DG and sits on a different platform altogether when compared to other content. How much of it is authentic or not, - No one can really say or justify. We have to remember that at all times. I think that it is very wise to approach the DG tales and stories being forarmed and pre-equipped with ALL of Gyanji's points above. If you are well armed with this knowledge, then hopefully you won't pick up and take away any wrong gyan from it. (that's what I feel!) However, I would just like to point at [B]2 different points[/B] that I can pick up from the charitars when it comes to morals or even advice! [B]First point is 'Kaam'[/B]. Now, like many punjabi indians who like to brush it all under the carpet and keep the subject 'taboo' outside bedroom doors. I'm sure that we have all tried to handle it in this way at some moments in time. This is our own so called 'avoidance'. We find it easier to avoid it altogether by staying away from all things in the surroundings that may incite these feelings of kaam or lust. We even try to convince ourselves that we 'NEVER" think about it ???...... 'What Never ?'!!!!!!........... Just a few Notes on [B]'KAAM'[/B] first of all............... Fact is- Seniors in their last years of life, last week, last day, last second are dying, but the kaam inside of them is still alive and having a party. Their hair has fallen out, they can barely move a muscle, but kaam is still present in their system and has not slowed down. This kaam stays alive and kicking until the day we die. Just as a man can go on producing sperm cells until death ,BUT the woman loses the ability to concieve after menopause and this does lower her kaam to an extent compared to the man's. Therefore it is very possible for an 80 year old man to help concieve a child with a younger female, BUT it is very unlikely that an 80 yr old female will concieve anything ! I have a little theory on this about the power a woman can have to use Kaam while she's younger in order to have a man dancing on her fingers as punjabis say 'unglan te nachon' But very, very few men, can use the kaam as a weapon over women in a similar way. Instead we have men that use other weapons of abuse(such as physical force, blackmail and power) with the vulnerable to feed their kaam !! [FONT=Lucida Sans Unicode]My theory is along the lines that a woman can have more power and weaponary use with the subject of kaam and therefore she experiences this decline later on in life compared to the hungry male!! So on a mathematical graph the 'area under the curve' for KAAM Activity throughout life would be similar in both sexes ![/FONT] Can anyone really beat this Kaam and give it a good run ?? -Some practice yoga (breathing exercises, postures, mantras, etc) to get rid of it, but yoga has failed the devotee for since it was introduced. No one beat kaam by doing yoga. No one beat kaam by indulging in it. No one beat kaam by replacing it with another intoxicate and then reading Bani. No one beat kaam by avoiding it. No one beat kaam by ignoring it. So, where does ONE start ?? NOTE-[I]The charitars do well in warning us and cautioning, but I haven't come across one that tells you where to start your own personal battle with your own kaam ??[/I] Well, just like others have cut and pasted their own contributions in DG. The charitars have only inspired me to come up with my own personal contribution, of HOW and WHERE to start this personal battle.............(see what you think)!! (you never know, it may even be in a future revised edition!) Here goes............- -What do you eat for breakfast, lunch, and dinner? Does it have that tasty good salt feeling, what about that little mouth burning feel or what about that sweet sugar taste? Think back to the time when your mom made that daal that had no spice or salt taste!! You know that plain taste that we would call bland now ! Try that food again from now on...........or have that pizza with soo much cheese, sauce and oil that excites the mind and stimulates all your taste buds.. Well try to consider it poison and forbidden from now on.!!!!!! Whatever soft drink you drink, stop drinking it and think................I love me some water or juice right now. This is the way to start !! How far will you go ? Will you be happy and content with the bland stuff ? If Not, then what will make you more accepting and content with the simple bland food that is mentioned in shabad that I can't recall ! ASK, the Lord to give you strength and determination to make you more accepting. There is no point accepting and then being grumpy and miserable is there ? I'm pretty sure that this determination on taste bud control can affect your control over your kaam and I am sure that people who can refuse chocolate and all other exotically rich foods outright are the ones that have near enough complete control over kaam. Now, what I see being addressed is this weakness to kaam and how men can fall prey, how great kings have fallen to kaam by being tricked. The charitars give you the warning and results, but they don't touch too much on the HOW to conquer. I said earlier that there were [B]2 points, the 1st being Kaam[/B]. The[B] [I]2nd point[/I][/B] that jumps to me is the one of[B] [U]'Deception[/U]'[/B] or being subject to [B]trickery, deceiving, unfaithfulness [/B]and[B] being mislead.[/B] [B]-[/B]I firmly believe that this was something that Guruji had a greater disliking and discomfort with. I have come to believe that Guruji was NOT as upset about losing his sons, mother and father- even though they were lost in the hands of the moghul enemies. For he lovingly accepted this great loss as HUKAM, the sweet will of God 'bannaa mithaa lag tera' BUT, it is a BIG BUT, He was more upset and angry at the fact that Aurungzeb had sworn on the Koran that he would NOT surprise attack him and his people as they left their fort. But he went and did just that ! He went back on his oath, he lied, he deceived the Guru and his people. This is something that Guruji found more disturbing to accept. (I may be completely wrong and off the mark here,so please forgive me- but this is what I have come to believe after reading various accounts) Saying this, I feel that many of the charitars actually touch on this very concept of deception. I think that it is a fore warning to be prepared not to fall prey to a deceptor. I reckon in the battlefield, the chances of a sikh falling victim to such deception can be quite high. Personally, I have very recently myself been the victim of a deceiving action by a higher authority. I won't give any names or details as they have not done anything illegal or wrong,as they acted within the guidelines of law and criteria. BUT they did a good job of fooling me into believing something else. They tricked and played with my emotions by putting my hopes up. In ALL honesty, it really hurts. Even this very moment when I think about it, I feel cheated, upset and weak. I have also come to feel like the gullible fool in this personal incident. Just thinking and contemplating what our Guruji went through is the only thing that gives me strength and courage to not fall prey again. [COLOR=magenta]To be on the receiving end of deception is what the warning is about from most of these charitars.[/COLOR] [COLOR=magenta]Although, I don't see why Guruji would have really given us that many different stories all focusing on 'Kaam' and 'Deception'. [/COLOR] [COLOR=#ff00ff]Although, I admit that I may find some gurmat, message and inspiration in some of this material, whereas others can't very easily,- Also goes to prove on why would he make the DG so complicated as if to get the message you need to understand the secret code language ??[/COLOR] [COLOR=#ff00ff]When we have the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji that appeals to the masses in a simple, realistic and straightforward manner even if it has metphors to ancient stroies in scriptures.[/COLOR] [COLOR=#ff00ff]So, even though I have highlighted some points to add to my sikhi learning curve from the DG, does not mean that I'm going to start demanding it's prakash or anything![/COLOR] [COLOR=magenta]But getting away from this authenticity point, I hope you can see my two main points that have been inspired and derived from this section of the literature in DG.[/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
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