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<blockquote data-quote="Randip Singh" data-source="post: 118630" data-attributes="member: 1323"><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><?"urn:<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite9" alt=":eek:" title="Eek! :eek:" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":eek:" />ffice<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite9" alt=":eek:" title="Eek! :eek:" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":eek:" />ffice" /></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><o<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />> </o<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />></span></span></p><p><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">My View</span></span></strong></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><o<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />> </o<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Keep the child to one side and focus from where the child has come and why marriage is so important to a Sikh.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">By giving blessings to the child (to put it crudely), is like saying its Ok to have a child outside marriage (when in Sikhi it is not). It is OK to produce B a s t a r d s. </span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><o<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />> </o<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">The child would be seen as a product of Kaam or self-will (manmukh), not God's will.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><o<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />> </o<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">They are in fact saying, bless this child made from self will. Surely that cannot be compatible with Sikh belief?</span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><o<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />> </o<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Now when the child is old and conscious enough, he/she can seek blessings if he/she wishes, but I cannot see how the parents can seek blessings for self will.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><o<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />> </o<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />></span></span></p><p><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Solutions</span></span></strong></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><o<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />> </o<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">The parents too can seek blessings and have a marriage if they wish.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><o<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />> </o<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">The idea is one of submission to God’s will rather than self will.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><o<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />> </o<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />></span></span></p><p><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">A Sikhs Duty</span></span></strong></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><o<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />> </o<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">A Sikh never hides, never bows in fear, and he she proclaims to society and in front of God, when he/she has taken a partner. It is an act of bravery. It is an act saying “I say to you God and society, I forsake all others (apart from you God) and have chosen my soul mate”.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><o<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />> </o<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Producing children from living together (and not getting married) is hiding away. It is the ultimate act of cowardice. Not having the guts to get married in front of society and God is cowardice. To produce a child from that union is irresponsible and a Sikh never shirks from responsibility and duty.</span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Randip Singh, post: 118630, member: 1323"] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]<?"urn::office:office" />[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]<o:p> </o:p>[/FONT][/COLOR] [B][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]My View[/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]<o:p> </o:p>[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Keep the child to one side and focus from where the child has come and why marriage is so important to a Sikh.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]By giving blessings to the child (to put it crudely), is like saying its Ok to have a child outside marriage (when in Sikhi it is not). It is OK to produce B a s t a r d s. [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]<o:p> </o:p>[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]The child would be seen as a product of Kaam or self-will (manmukh), not God's will.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]<o:p> </o:p>[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]They are in fact saying, bless this child made from self will. Surely that cannot be compatible with Sikh belief?[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]<o:p> </o:p>[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Now when the child is old and conscious enough, he/she can seek blessings if he/she wishes, but I cannot see how the parents can seek blessings for self will.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]<o:p> </o:p>[/FONT][/COLOR] [B][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Solutions[/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]<o:p> </o:p>[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]The parents too can seek blessings and have a marriage if they wish.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]<o:p> </o:p>[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]The idea is one of submission to God’s will rather than self will.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]<o:p> </o:p>[/FONT][/COLOR] [B][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]A Sikhs Duty[/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]<o:p> </o:p>[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]A Sikh never hides, never bows in fear, and he she proclaims to society and in front of God, when he/she has taken a partner. It is an act of bravery. It is an act saying “I say to you God and society, I forsake all others (apart from you God) and have chosen my soul mate”.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]<o:p> </o:p>[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Producing children from living together (and not getting married) is hiding away. It is the ultimate act of cowardice. Not having the guts to get married in front of society and God is cowardice. To produce a child from that union is irresponsible and a Sikh never shirks from responsibility and duty.[/FONT][/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
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