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<blockquote data-quote="simpy" data-source="post: 67581" data-attributes="member: 9395"><p><strong><span style="color: blue">Some defintions of the terms associated with cults and fake babaas(from around the web):</span></strong></p><p> </p><p><strong>Abusive Guru</strong> - an abusive guru or abusive spiritual master is always (always!) a <a href="http://www.kheper.net/topics/gurus/glossary.html#false_guru" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #606420">false guru</span></u></a> or master, never a genuinely enlightened teacher. This is because one of the signs of a <a href="http://www.kheper.net/topics/gurus/glossary.html#true_guru" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #606420">true guru</span></u></a> is that they never justify their abusive behaviour in terms of "breaking down the ego". Abusive gurus are almost always highly charismatic <a href="http://www.kheper.net/topics/gurus/glossary.html#narcissism" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #606420">narcissistic</span></u></a>, emotionally immature and parasitic sociopaths with a tendency to sadomasochistic co-dependency with their <a href="http://www.kheper.net/topics/gurus/glossary.html#disciple" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #606420">disciples</span></u></a> and <a href="http://www.kheper.net/topics/gurus/glossary.html#devotee" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #606420">devotees</span></u></a>. Many are inspired by (and stuck in) the <a href="http://www.kheper.net/topics/gurus/glossary.html#intermediate_zone" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #606420">intermediate zone</span></u></a>, and hence are deluded enough to genuinely believe their own claims. Some may be puppeted by <a href="http://www.kheper.net/topics/gurus/glossary.html#adverse_entity" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #606420">adverse entities</span></u></a>. Abusive gurus are highly dangerous individuals who destroy the lives of many of their devotees. However it is also the case that some devotees are not harmed by, and even benefit from, their relation with their abusive guru. This is due to the highly ambiguous nature of the intermediate zone. The organisation of an abusive guru is called a <a href="http://www.kheper.net/topics/gurus/glossary.html#cult" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #606420">cult</span></u></a>. </p><p> </p><p><strong>Cult</strong> - <em>used in this (limited popular) context only</em>, "cult" refers to the organisation that develops around an <a href="http://www.kheper.net/topics/gurus/glossary.html#abusive_guru" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #606420">abusive guru</span></u></a>, and which enforces the abuser's authority, usually by means of an inner circle of lieutenants or close <a href="http://www.kheper.net/topics/gurus/glossary.html#disciple" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #606420">disciples</span></u></a> who have taken on the abusive guru's dysfunctional sadomasochistic attitudes, thus keeping the <a href="http://www.kheper.net/topics/gurus/glossary.html#devotee" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #606420">devotees</span></u></a> submissive and manipulatable. Every cult (used in thsi context) and cult leader denies that they are really "cults", and instead <a href="http://www.kheper.net/topics/gurus/glossary.html#projection_of_the_shadow" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #606420">shadow projects</span></u></a> their own dysfunctionalism onto their critics.</p><p> </p><p><strong>Fake Guru</strong> - as defined here, an individual who claims to be a spiritual teacher or master or true Guru, but has no geneuine spirituality at all. They are ultimately con artists or at best showmen, but provide nothing real, not even anything of the <a href="http://www.kheper.net/topics/gurus/glossary.html#intermediate_zone" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #606420">intermediate zone</span></u></a>. Many disillusioned ex-devotees see their former guru as a fake; but more often sucha so-called guru is actually an <a href="http://www.kheper.net/topics/gurus/glossary.html#abusive_guru" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #606420">abusive guru</span></u></a> tapping in to the energy of the intermediate zone. </p><p></p><p></p><p> </p><p><strong>False Guru</strong> - by far the majority of Eastern gurus to the west, as well as home-grown gurus, are false. They either are deluding themselves, deluding others (con artists), or both. While some fake gurus are harmless, many are <a href="http://www.kheper.net/topics/gurus/glossary.html#abusive_guru" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #606420">abusive</span></u></a>, even dangerous, and should be steered well clear of. Such is the nature of lack of spiritual discrimination that many seekers believe that fake gurus are genuinely enlightened. This shows how easily people are fooled by superficial appearances. </p><p> </p><p><strong>8.1 The fake or unauthorised Guru </strong></p><p></p><p>80% of the Gurus in society today are fake or without spiritual authority. That means they are at a spiritual level much below 70% and do not have access to the Universal Mind and Intellect. In some cases, these people may have a high ability to attract thousands of people by some specific spiritual power they have obtained. </p><p>For example, a person at 50% spiritual level may be able to cure disease from an early age through spiritual power obtained from spiritual practice undertaken in a previous birth. Most of mankind in today’s era being between the 20-25% spiritual level are unequipped to discern whether the person is a Saint or not. However they generally end up following the person who can heal them or perform miracles.</p><p>For the benefit of an average person, we have listed some points that a true Guru is not. These are a few points that will help you in finding out fake spiritual guides that can be understood by the intellect and tested. These are some cases where these fake Gurus have exposed themselves by their actions.</p><p> </p><p><strong>1. The Gurus who generate a feeling of inferiority in others and try to show off their greatness:</strong> </p><p>One Saint asks everyone who comes to pay obeisance to him their name and age. Once that is told he says, “Both the answers are wrong. The name and age belong to the body. You are the Soul. It has neither a name nor age”. Then he speaks on Spirituality and asks, “Are you doing spiritual practice?” If someone happens to reply in the affirmative, he asks “What spiritual practice?” If one replies, “The one recommended by my Guru”, he says “You were not able to answer simple questions about your name and age. Then what has your Guru taught you? Only a real Guru can reply to these questions. Come to me. I will tell you.” </p><p>One should tell such fake Gurus, “Actually your questions were meaningless! You asked me my name and age only because of your awareness of the body (<em>dehabuddhi</em>), so I too replied with awareness of the body”. </p><p>What kind of Guru is he who is unable to make out at the first glance whether one has a Guru or if one’s spiritual practice is going on appropriately or not?</p><p><strong>2. Those who have an attachment to wealth and women</strong></p><p><strong>3. Putting on false airs</strong></p><p>One Guru does not use a watch because he does not want to be bound by the restrictions of time and a watch strap. Yet after every fifteen to twenty minutes he asks others, “What is the time?” </p><p><strong>4. Desirous of fame</strong></p><p>Some people who have an earnest desire to be known as Gurus and are spiritually evolved to some extent, recommend different kinds of spiritual practice to others. In most cases, they do not walk their talk themselves. As a result, it has been observed that the seekers undertaking the advised spiritual practice progress but the so called Guru remains stagnant.</p><p><strong>5. Encourage dependency in their students</strong></p><p>Some Gurus fear that if they impart all spiritual knowledge to their disciples, they will have no importance thereafter. Hence they do not impart all knowledge to them.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p>fake guru: A <strong>fake guru</strong> wants his followers to believe that he is God Himself—that's why he tries to impress them with his mystic powers.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="simpy, post: 67581, member: 9395"] [B][COLOR=blue]Some defintions of the terms associated with cults and fake babaas(from around the web):[/COLOR][/B] [B][/B] [B]Abusive Guru[/B] - an abusive guru or abusive spiritual master is always (always!) a [URL="http://www.kheper.net/topics/gurus/glossary.html#false_guru"][U][COLOR=#606420]false guru[/COLOR][/U][/URL] or master, never a genuinely enlightened teacher. This is because one of the signs of a [URL="http://www.kheper.net/topics/gurus/glossary.html#true_guru"][U][COLOR=#606420]true guru[/COLOR][/U][/URL] is that they never justify their abusive behaviour in terms of "breaking down the ego". Abusive gurus are almost always highly charismatic [URL="http://www.kheper.net/topics/gurus/glossary.html#narcissism"][U][COLOR=#606420]narcissistic[/COLOR][/U][/URL], emotionally immature and parasitic sociopaths with a tendency to sadomasochistic co-dependency with their [URL="http://www.kheper.net/topics/gurus/glossary.html#disciple"][U][COLOR=#606420]disciples[/COLOR][/U][/URL] and [URL="http://www.kheper.net/topics/gurus/glossary.html#devotee"][U][COLOR=#606420]devotees[/COLOR][/U][/URL]. Many are inspired by (and stuck in) the [URL="http://www.kheper.net/topics/gurus/glossary.html#intermediate_zone"][U][COLOR=#606420]intermediate zone[/COLOR][/U][/URL], and hence are deluded enough to genuinely believe their own claims. Some may be puppeted by [URL="http://www.kheper.net/topics/gurus/glossary.html#adverse_entity"][U][COLOR=#606420]adverse entities[/COLOR][/U][/URL]. Abusive gurus are highly dangerous individuals who destroy the lives of many of their devotees. However it is also the case that some devotees are not harmed by, and even benefit from, their relation with their abusive guru. This is due to the highly ambiguous nature of the intermediate zone. The organisation of an abusive guru is called a [URL="http://www.kheper.net/topics/gurus/glossary.html#cult"][U][COLOR=#606420]cult[/COLOR][/U][/URL]. [B]Cult[/B] - [I]used in this (limited popular) context only[/I], "cult" refers to the organisation that develops around an [URL="http://www.kheper.net/topics/gurus/glossary.html#abusive_guru"][U][COLOR=#606420]abusive guru[/COLOR][/U][/URL], and which enforces the abuser's authority, usually by means of an inner circle of lieutenants or close [URL="http://www.kheper.net/topics/gurus/glossary.html#disciple"][U][COLOR=#606420]disciples[/COLOR][/U][/URL] who have taken on the abusive guru's dysfunctional sadomasochistic attitudes, thus keeping the [URL="http://www.kheper.net/topics/gurus/glossary.html#devotee"][U][COLOR=#606420]devotees[/COLOR][/U][/URL] submissive and manipulatable. Every cult (used in thsi context) and cult leader denies that they are really "cults", and instead [URL="http://www.kheper.net/topics/gurus/glossary.html#projection_of_the_shadow"][U][COLOR=#606420]shadow projects[/COLOR][/U][/URL] their own dysfunctionalism onto their critics. [B]Fake Guru[/B] - as defined here, an individual who claims to be a spiritual teacher or master or true Guru, but has no geneuine spirituality at all. They are ultimately con artists or at best showmen, but provide nothing real, not even anything of the [URL="http://www.kheper.net/topics/gurus/glossary.html#intermediate_zone"][U][COLOR=#606420]intermediate zone[/COLOR][/U][/URL]. Many disillusioned ex-devotees see their former guru as a fake; but more often sucha so-called guru is actually an [URL="http://www.kheper.net/topics/gurus/glossary.html#abusive_guru"][U][COLOR=#606420]abusive guru[/COLOR][/U][/URL] tapping in to the energy of the intermediate zone. [U][/U] [B]False Guru[/B] - by far the majority of Eastern gurus to the west, as well as home-grown gurus, are false. They either are deluding themselves, deluding others (con artists), or both. While some fake gurus are harmless, many are [URL="http://www.kheper.net/topics/gurus/glossary.html#abusive_guru"][U][COLOR=#606420]abusive[/COLOR][/U][/URL], even dangerous, and should be steered well clear of. Such is the nature of lack of spiritual discrimination that many seekers believe that fake gurus are genuinely enlightened. This shows how easily people are fooled by superficial appearances. [B]8.1 The fake or unauthorised Guru [/B] 80% of the Gurus in society today are fake or without spiritual authority. That means they are at a spiritual level much below 70% and do not have access to the Universal Mind and Intellect. In some cases, these people may have a high ability to attract thousands of people by some specific spiritual power they have obtained. For example, a person at 50% spiritual level may be able to cure disease from an early age through spiritual power obtained from spiritual practice undertaken in a previous birth. Most of mankind in today’s era being between the 20-25% spiritual level are unequipped to discern whether the person is a Saint or not. However they generally end up following the person who can heal them or perform miracles. For the benefit of an average person, we have listed some points that a true Guru is not. These are a few points that will help you in finding out fake spiritual guides that can be understood by the intellect and tested. These are some cases where these fake Gurus have exposed themselves by their actions. [B]1. The Gurus who generate a feeling of inferiority in others and try to show off their greatness:[/B] One Saint asks everyone who comes to pay obeisance to him their name and age. Once that is told he says, “Both the answers are wrong. The name and age belong to the body. You are the Soul. It has neither a name nor age”. Then he speaks on Spirituality and asks, “Are you doing spiritual practice?” If someone happens to reply in the affirmative, he asks “What spiritual practice?” If one replies, “The one recommended by my Guru”, he says “You were not able to answer simple questions about your name and age. Then what has your Guru taught you? Only a real Guru can reply to these questions. Come to me. I will tell you.” One should tell such fake Gurus, “Actually your questions were meaningless! You asked me my name and age only because of your awareness of the body ([I]dehabuddhi[/I]), so I too replied with awareness of the body”. What kind of Guru is he who is unable to make out at the first glance whether one has a Guru or if one’s spiritual practice is going on appropriately or not? [B]2. Those who have an attachment to wealth and women[/B] [B]3. Putting on false airs[/B] One Guru does not use a watch because he does not want to be bound by the restrictions of time and a watch strap. Yet after every fifteen to twenty minutes he asks others, “What is the time?” [B]4. Desirous of fame[/B] Some people who have an earnest desire to be known as Gurus and are spiritually evolved to some extent, recommend different kinds of spiritual practice to others. In most cases, they do not walk their talk themselves. As a result, it has been observed that the seekers undertaking the advised spiritual practice progress but the so called Guru remains stagnant. [B]5. Encourage dependency in their students[/B] Some Gurus fear that if they impart all spiritual knowledge to their disciples, they will have no importance thereafter. Hence they do not impart all knowledge to them. fake guru: A [B]fake guru[/B] wants his followers to believe that he is God Himself—that's why he tries to impress them with his mystic powers. [/QUOTE]
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