☀️ JOIN SPN MOBILE
Forums
New posts
Guru Granth Sahib
Composition, Arrangement & Layout
ਜਪੁ | Jup
ਸੋ ਦਰੁ | So Dar
ਸੋਹਿਲਾ | Sohilaa
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ | Raag Siree-Raag
Gurbani (14-53)
Ashtpadiyan (53-71)
Gurbani (71-74)
Pahre (74-78)
Chhant (78-81)
Vanjara (81-82)
Vaar Siri Raag (83-91)
Bhagat Bani (91-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਝ | Raag Maajh
Gurbani (94-109)
Ashtpadi (109)
Ashtpadiyan (110-129)
Ashtpadi (129-130)
Ashtpadiyan (130-133)
Bara Maha (133-136)
Din Raen (136-137)
Vaar Maajh Ki (137-150)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗਉੜੀ | Raag Gauree
Gurbani (151-185)
Quartets/Couplets (185-220)
Ashtpadiyan (220-234)
Karhalei (234-235)
Ashtpadiyan (235-242)
Chhant (242-249)
Baavan Akhari (250-262)
Sukhmani (262-296)
Thittee (296-300)
Gauree kii Vaar (300-323)
Gurbani (323-330)
Ashtpadiyan (330-340)
Baavan Akhari (340-343)
Thintteen (343-344)
Vaar Kabir (344-345)
Bhagat Bani (345-346)
ਰਾਗੁ ਆਸਾ | Raag Aasaa
Gurbani (347-348)
Chaupaday (348-364)
Panchpadde (364-365)
Kaafee (365-409)
Aasaavaree (409-411)
Ashtpadiyan (411-432)
Patee (432-435)
Chhant (435-462)
Vaar Aasaa (462-475)
Bhagat Bani (475-488)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੂਜਰੀ | Raag Goojaree
Gurbani (489-503)
Ashtpadiyan (503-508)
Vaar Gujari (508-517)
Vaar Gujari (517-526)
ਰਾਗੁ ਦੇਵਗੰਧਾਰੀ | Raag Dayv-Gandhaaree
Gurbani (527-536)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਹਾਗੜਾ | Raag Bihaagraa
Gurbani (537-556)
Chhant (538-548)
Vaar Bihaagraa (548-556)
ਰਾਗੁ ਵਡਹੰਸ | Raag Wadhans
Gurbani (557-564)
Ashtpadiyan (564-565)
Chhant (565-575)
Ghoriaan (575-578)
Alaahaniiaa (578-582)
Vaar Wadhans (582-594)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੋਰਠਿ | Raag Sorath
Gurbani (595-634)
Asatpadhiya (634-642)
Vaar Sorath (642-659)
ਰਾਗੁ ਧਨਾਸਰੀ | Raag Dhanasaree
Gurbani (660-685)
Astpadhiya (685-687)
Chhant (687-691)
Bhagat Bani (691-695)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਤਸਰੀ | Raag Jaitsree
Gurbani (696-703)
Chhant (703-705)
Vaar Jaitsaree (705-710)
Bhagat Bani (710)
ਰਾਗੁ ਟੋਡੀ | Raag Todee
ਰਾਗੁ ਬੈਰਾੜੀ | Raag Bairaaree
ਰਾਗੁ ਤਿਲੰਗ | Raag Tilang
Gurbani (721-727)
Bhagat Bani (727)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੂਹੀ | Raag Suhi
Gurbani (728-750)
Ashtpadiyan (750-761)
Kaafee (761-762)
Suchajee (762)
Gunvantee (763)
Chhant (763-785)
Vaar Soohee (785-792)
Bhagat Bani (792-794)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਲਾਵਲੁ | Raag Bilaaval
Gurbani (795-831)
Ashtpadiyan (831-838)
Thitteen (838-840)
Vaar Sat (841-843)
Chhant (843-848)
Vaar Bilaaval (849-855)
Bhagat Bani (855-858)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੋਂਡ | Raag Gond
Gurbani (859-869)
Ashtpadiyan (869)
Bhagat Bani (870-875)
ਰਾਗੁ ਰਾਮਕਲੀ | Raag Ramkalee
Ashtpadiyan (902-916)
Gurbani (876-902)
Anand (917-922)
Sadd (923-924)
Chhant (924-929)
Dakhnee (929-938)
Sidh Gosat (938-946)
Vaar Ramkalee (947-968)
ਰਾਗੁ ਨਟ ਨਾਰਾਇਨ | Raag Nat Narayan
Gurbani (975-980)
Ashtpadiyan (980-983)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਲੀ ਗਉੜਾ | Raag Maalee Gauraa
Gurbani (984-988)
Bhagat Bani (988)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਰੂ | Raag Maaroo
Gurbani (889-1008)
Ashtpadiyan (1008-1014)
Kaafee (1014-1016)
Ashtpadiyan (1016-1019)
Anjulian (1019-1020)
Solhe (1020-1033)
Dakhni (1033-1043)
ਰਾਗੁ ਤੁਖਾਰੀ | Raag Tukhaari
Bara Maha (1107-1110)
Chhant (1110-1117)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕੇਦਾਰਾ | Raag Kedara
Gurbani (1118-1123)
Bhagat Bani (1123-1124)
ਰਾਗੁ ਭੈਰਉ | Raag Bhairo
Gurbani (1125-1152)
Partaal (1153)
Ashtpadiyan (1153-1167)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਸੰਤੁ | Raag Basant
Gurbani (1168-1187)
Ashtpadiyan (1187-1193)
Vaar Basant (1193-1196)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਾਰਗ | Raag Saarag
Gurbani (1197-1200)
Partaal (1200-1231)
Ashtpadiyan (1232-1236)
Chhant (1236-1237)
Vaar Saarang (1237-1253)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਲਾਰ | Raag Malaar
Gurbani (1254-1293)
Partaal (1265-1273)
Ashtpadiyan (1273-1278)
Chhant (1278)
Vaar Malaar (1278-91)
Bhagat Bani (1292-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਾਨੜਾ | Raag Kaanraa
Gurbani (1294-96)
Partaal (1296-1318)
Ashtpadiyan (1308-1312)
Chhant (1312)
Vaar Kaanraa
Bhagat Bani (1318)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਲਿਆਨ | Raag Kalyaan
Gurbani (1319-23)
Ashtpadiyan (1323-26)
ਰਾਗੁ ਪ੍ਰਭਾਤੀ | Raag Prabhaatee
Gurbani (1327-1341)
Ashtpadiyan (1342-51)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਜਾਵੰਤੀ | Raag Jaijaiwanti
Gurbani (1352-53)
Salok | Gatha | Phunahe | Chaubole | Swayiye
Sehskritee Mahala 1
Sehskritee Mahala 5
Gaathaa Mahala 5
Phunhay Mahala 5
Chaubolae Mahala 5
Shaloks Bhagat Kabir
Shaloks Sheikh Farid
Swaiyyae Mahala 5
Swaiyyae in Praise of Gurus
Shaloks in Addition To Vaars
Shalok Ninth Mehl
Mundavanee Mehl 5
ਰਾਗ ਮਾਲਾ, Raag Maalaa
What's new
New posts
New media
New media comments
New resources
Latest activity
Videos
New media
New comments
Library
Latest reviews
Donate
Log in
Register
What's new
New posts
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Welcome to all New Sikh Philosophy Network Forums!
Explore Sikh Sikhi Sikhism...
Sign up
Log in
Discussions
Hard Talk
Beware Of Fake Babas And Cults
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="spnadmin" data-source="post: 53082" data-attributes="member: 35"><p>Surinder ji</p><p></p><p>Your thread is itself a service, especially in an electronic forum. Today people everywhere are desparate because they are truly orphaned by political and economic upheaval of one kind or another throughout the world. They are frightened, and they feel they are alone. And today's world is a spiritual desert. </p><p></p><p>Young people in particular, when they reach for a spiritual solution, fall prey to false babas (and they are found in every religion). A fake baba's message is cunning-- it is designed to fill a well of fear. They are easy to talk to. They "know where you are coming from" and have answers. They are true scholars of wickedness because they have studied human nature and know how to make impossible promises in a convincing way.</p><p></p><p>I read the post of deerasachasuda (see your link above) a week or so ago. The post tells us about Deera Sacha Suda Sirsa which is an organization with a sophisticated string of web sites. It was easy to google. Here is a quote from one web site:</p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">"The organisation's more than 12.5million members work under the dynamic and perspicacious directions of Guru Maharaj Gurmeet Ram ahim Singh ji. He is known for his versatility, impeccable guidance, discretion, vision, humility and love for humanity. He always leads from the front and s always present at the site of action. For last few years, Dera has encompassed Disaster Management in it’s ambit. In Feb. 2001, Guruji raised a special disaster management force by the name of “Shah Satnam ji Green ‘S’ Welfare Force". It comprises of 15,000 exterous volunteers who have vowed to help people in the country during natural disasters. According to people who have witnessed them at work “This force has the potential to do the impossible". The practical method of meditation, which the Guruji teaches charge the batteries of these indefatigable selfless olunteers.Dera Sacha Sauda is a perfect example of harmony and brotherhood among different religions and castes." </span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-size: 10px">I am not going to give the url, because why should I make it easy? Look at the convincing but cunning rhetoric! The background is brilliant: A natural disaster to match the inner chaos of a lost soul. The organization has over 12 million members, and an impeccable guru who can charge your batteries, who is a perfect example of harmony, is always on the front line of disasters, and who is also humble. This is part of one paragraph on more than a dozen web sites which all sound like this. The cult and its guru are out there to help you (you can bet on that). And they offer spiritual guidance that is one-size-fits-all. You just have to be desparate enough.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-size: 10px">Now everything on these web sites is about ego. Ego says, "I/we have a lock on the truth. I/we know you are miserable and want to be rescued I/we have the answers, and will rescue you. We will care for your body, your mind and your soul. How could 12.5 million people be wrong?" </span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-size: 10px">A "true guru" (in human form) doesn't run after students. Doesn't strive to be found. A guru doesn't give out answers, because if he/she did, students would have no chance to make discoveries that sustain them. All the wisdom would remain with the guru and the students would gain nothing. A guru doesn't claim to be wise (that is really important) because a guru is completely aware that he/she is also full of failings and must turn to God for support over and over again. A guru doesn't want to charge your batteries, or need a web site. When a guru is on the scene of a disaster, most people won't even realize they are in the presence of a guru. That is humility. A guru doesn't need a web site. When you are ready for a guru, the guru is there.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-size: 10px">We should read Soul Jyot's thread on another link to better understand.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-size: 10px"><a href="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/spiritual-articles/15229-haume-and-naam.html" target="_blank">http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/spiritual-articles/15229-haume-and-naam.html</a></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-size: 10px">You are deeply concerned about the religious manipulation of so many lost souls. You have taken on a big seva here. We need to support you in this.</span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="spnadmin, post: 53082, member: 35"] Surinder ji Your thread is itself a service, especially in an electronic forum. Today people everywhere are desparate because they are truly orphaned by political and economic upheaval of one kind or another throughout the world. They are frightened, and they feel they are alone. And today's world is a spiritual desert. Young people in particular, when they reach for a spiritual solution, fall prey to false babas (and they are found in every religion). A fake baba's message is cunning-- it is designed to fill a well of fear. They are easy to talk to. They "know where you are coming from" and have answers. They are true scholars of wickedness because they have studied human nature and know how to make impossible promises in a convincing way. I read the post of deerasachasuda (see your link above) a week or so ago. The post tells us about Deera Sacha Suda Sirsa which is an organization with a sophisticated string of web sites. It was easy to google. Here is a quote from one web site: [SIZE=1]"The organisation's more than 12.5million members work under the dynamic and perspicacious directions of Guru Maharaj Gurmeet Ram ahim Singh ji. He is known for his versatility, impeccable guidance, discretion, vision, humility and love for humanity. He always leads from the front and s always present at the site of action. For last few years, Dera has encompassed Disaster Management in it’s ambit. In Feb. 2001, Guruji raised a special disaster management force by the name of “Shah Satnam ji Green ‘S’ Welfare Force". It comprises of 15,000 exterous volunteers who have vowed to help people in the country during natural disasters. According to people who have witnessed them at work “This force has the potential to do the impossible". The practical method of meditation, which the Guruji teaches charge the batteries of these indefatigable selfless olunteers.Dera Sacha Sauda is a perfect example of harmony and brotherhood among different religions and castes." [SIZE=2]I am not going to give the url, because why should I make it easy? Look at the convincing but cunning rhetoric! The background is brilliant: A natural disaster to match the inner chaos of a lost soul. The organization has over 12 million members, and an impeccable guru who can charge your batteries, who is a perfect example of harmony, is always on the front line of disasters, and who is also humble. This is part of one paragraph on more than a dozen web sites which all sound like this. The cult and its guru are out there to help you (you can bet on that). And they offer spiritual guidance that is one-size-fits-all. You just have to be desparate enough. Now everything on these web sites is about ego. Ego says, "I/we have a lock on the truth. I/we know you are miserable and want to be rescued I/we have the answers, and will rescue you. We will care for your body, your mind and your soul. How could 12.5 million people be wrong?" A "true guru" (in human form) doesn't run after students. Doesn't strive to be found. A guru doesn't give out answers, because if he/she did, students would have no chance to make discoveries that sustain them. All the wisdom would remain with the guru and the students would gain nothing. A guru doesn't claim to be wise (that is really important) because a guru is completely aware that he/she is also full of failings and must turn to God for support over and over again. A guru doesn't want to charge your batteries, or need a web site. When a guru is on the scene of a disaster, most people won't even realize they are in the presence of a guru. That is humility. A guru doesn't need a web site. When you are ready for a guru, the guru is there. We should read Soul Jyot's thread on another link to better understand. [url]http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/spiritual-articles/15229-haume-and-naam.html[/url] You are deeply concerned about the religious manipulation of so many lost souls. You have taken on a big seva here. We need to support you in this.[/SIZE][/SIZE] [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Discussions
Hard Talk
Beware Of Fake Babas And Cults
This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
Accept
Learn more…
Top