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ਸੋ ਦਰੁ | So Dar
ਸੋਹਿਲਾ | Sohilaa
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ | Raag Siree-Raag
Gurbani (14-53)
Ashtpadiyan (53-71)
Gurbani (71-74)
Pahre (74-78)
Chhant (78-81)
Vanjara (81-82)
Vaar Siri Raag (83-91)
Bhagat Bani (91-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਝ | Raag Maajh
Gurbani (94-109)
Ashtpadi (109)
Ashtpadiyan (110-129)
Ashtpadi (129-130)
Ashtpadiyan (130-133)
Bara Maha (133-136)
Din Raen (136-137)
Vaar Maajh Ki (137-150)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗਉੜੀ | Raag Gauree
Gurbani (151-185)
Quartets/Couplets (185-220)
Ashtpadiyan (220-234)
Karhalei (234-235)
Ashtpadiyan (235-242)
Chhant (242-249)
Baavan Akhari (250-262)
Sukhmani (262-296)
Thittee (296-300)
Gauree kii Vaar (300-323)
Gurbani (323-330)
Ashtpadiyan (330-340)
Baavan Akhari (340-343)
Thintteen (343-344)
Vaar Kabir (344-345)
Bhagat Bani (345-346)
ਰਾਗੁ ਆਸਾ | Raag Aasaa
Gurbani (347-348)
Chaupaday (348-364)
Panchpadde (364-365)
Kaafee (365-409)
Aasaavaree (409-411)
Ashtpadiyan (411-432)
Patee (432-435)
Chhant (435-462)
Vaar Aasaa (462-475)
Bhagat Bani (475-488)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੂਜਰੀ | Raag Goojaree
Gurbani (489-503)
Ashtpadiyan (503-508)
Vaar Gujari (508-517)
Vaar Gujari (517-526)
ਰਾਗੁ ਦੇਵਗੰਧਾਰੀ | Raag Dayv-Gandhaaree
Gurbani (527-536)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਹਾਗੜਾ | Raag Bihaagraa
Gurbani (537-556)
Chhant (538-548)
Vaar Bihaagraa (548-556)
ਰਾਗੁ ਵਡਹੰਸ | Raag Wadhans
Gurbani (557-564)
Ashtpadiyan (564-565)
Chhant (565-575)
Ghoriaan (575-578)
Alaahaniiaa (578-582)
Vaar Wadhans (582-594)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੋਰਠਿ | Raag Sorath
Gurbani (595-634)
Asatpadhiya (634-642)
Vaar Sorath (642-659)
ਰਾਗੁ ਧਨਾਸਰੀ | Raag Dhanasaree
Gurbani (660-685)
Astpadhiya (685-687)
Chhant (687-691)
Bhagat Bani (691-695)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਤਸਰੀ | Raag Jaitsree
Gurbani (696-703)
Chhant (703-705)
Vaar Jaitsaree (705-710)
Bhagat Bani (710)
ਰਾਗੁ ਟੋਡੀ | Raag Todee
ਰਾਗੁ ਬੈਰਾੜੀ | Raag Bairaaree
ਰਾਗੁ ਤਿਲੰਗ | Raag Tilang
Gurbani (721-727)
Bhagat Bani (727)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੂਹੀ | Raag Suhi
Gurbani (728-750)
Ashtpadiyan (750-761)
Kaafee (761-762)
Suchajee (762)
Gunvantee (763)
Chhant (763-785)
Vaar Soohee (785-792)
Bhagat Bani (792-794)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਲਾਵਲੁ | Raag Bilaaval
Gurbani (795-831)
Ashtpadiyan (831-838)
Thitteen (838-840)
Vaar Sat (841-843)
Chhant (843-848)
Vaar Bilaaval (849-855)
Bhagat Bani (855-858)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੋਂਡ | Raag Gond
Gurbani (859-869)
Ashtpadiyan (869)
Bhagat Bani (870-875)
ਰਾਗੁ ਰਾਮਕਲੀ | Raag Ramkalee
Ashtpadiyan (902-916)
Gurbani (876-902)
Anand (917-922)
Sadd (923-924)
Chhant (924-929)
Dakhnee (929-938)
Sidh Gosat (938-946)
Vaar Ramkalee (947-968)
ਰਾਗੁ ਨਟ ਨਾਰਾਇਨ | Raag Nat Narayan
Gurbani (975-980)
Ashtpadiyan (980-983)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਲੀ ਗਉੜਾ | Raag Maalee Gauraa
Gurbani (984-988)
Bhagat Bani (988)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਰੂ | Raag Maaroo
Gurbani (889-1008)
Ashtpadiyan (1008-1014)
Kaafee (1014-1016)
Ashtpadiyan (1016-1019)
Anjulian (1019-1020)
Solhe (1020-1033)
Dakhni (1033-1043)
ਰਾਗੁ ਤੁਖਾਰੀ | Raag Tukhaari
Bara Maha (1107-1110)
Chhant (1110-1117)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕੇਦਾਰਾ | Raag Kedara
Gurbani (1118-1123)
Bhagat Bani (1123-1124)
ਰਾਗੁ ਭੈਰਉ | Raag Bhairo
Gurbani (1125-1152)
Partaal (1153)
Ashtpadiyan (1153-1167)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਸੰਤੁ | Raag Basant
Gurbani (1168-1187)
Ashtpadiyan (1187-1193)
Vaar Basant (1193-1196)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਾਰਗ | Raag Saarag
Gurbani (1197-1200)
Partaal (1200-1231)
Ashtpadiyan (1232-1236)
Chhant (1236-1237)
Vaar Saarang (1237-1253)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਲਾਰ | Raag Malaar
Gurbani (1254-1293)
Partaal (1265-1273)
Ashtpadiyan (1273-1278)
Chhant (1278)
Vaar Malaar (1278-91)
Bhagat Bani (1292-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਾਨੜਾ | Raag Kaanraa
Gurbani (1294-96)
Partaal (1296-1318)
Ashtpadiyan (1308-1312)
Chhant (1312)
Vaar Kaanraa
Bhagat Bani (1318)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਲਿਆਨ | Raag Kalyaan
Gurbani (1319-23)
Ashtpadiyan (1323-26)
ਰਾਗੁ ਪ੍ਰਭਾਤੀ | Raag Prabhaatee
Gurbani (1327-1341)
Ashtpadiyan (1342-51)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਜਾਵੰਤੀ | Raag Jaijaiwanti
Gurbani (1352-53)
Salok | Gatha | Phunahe | Chaubole | Swayiye
Sehskritee Mahala 1
Sehskritee Mahala 5
Gaathaa Mahala 5
Phunhay Mahala 5
Chaubolae Mahala 5
Shaloks Bhagat Kabir
Shaloks Sheikh Farid
Swaiyyae Mahala 5
Swaiyyae in Praise of Gurus
Shaloks in Addition To Vaars
Shalok Ninth Mehl
Mundavanee Mehl 5
ਰਾਗ ਮਾਲਾ, Raag Maalaa
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Bani Is Nirankar And Bani Is Naam
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<blockquote data-quote="Sikh80" data-source="post: 66356" data-attributes="member: 5290"><p><strong><u><span style="color: blue">Some experiences</span></u></strong></p><p><u>Magic Of Wahegureu</u></p><p>I have been reading the debate on Kundalini for more than a week and although educated on some points, have also found myself despairing at others.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I never did Kundalini yoga, I never did any aasans, in fact I can't even sit in chaunkdi (lotus position) cause my knees never got the exposure to sitting on the floor. However, my Kundalini is up and running! Why?? <span style="color: blue"><u>Because I went to sit with some true Gursikhs who were calling Waheguru</u></span>, I joined in and started crying. I felt Waheguru and realised all this was true.</p><p></p><p><span style="color: blue"><u>Since then I have taken Amrit and learnt bani and that feeling can be mine again when I call Waheguru</u></span>. I have hung out with western Sikhs from America, and Europe, some of whom came into Sikhi through 3HO, some through kirtan and simran in the sangat. I hung out with Amritdharis who did not believe in doing Waheguru simran, others who were convinced that only Amrit gave them the ability to say Waheguru, mona Sikhs who did panj banis every day, white Buddhists who were feeling, saying Waheguru; people in my family who were following Sai baba and longed to bow at his feet, relations that were pure yogis and others who were convinced that Rajneesh was God. Others were Catholic monks, those of no religion but keeping silent for contentment, Ba'hais.</p><p></p><p>In this large assortment of individuals who seemed as eclectic a bunch as one could meet these last two years, I tried to find some understanding. I found that the ones I related to best were the ones whose eyes misted over when talking of God, when a distant look of longing, of bairaag, <span style="color: blue"><u>the separation pangs of God/Enlightenment came to them.</u></span> It was in these people that I found the true lovers of Waheguru, those who realised how unworthy they were and yet how beautiful Waheguru was.</p><p></p><p>"<span style="color: blue"><u>Ho Maala mal kubho na dhove, Har ka Naam kot Paap Khove</u></span>"</p><p></p><p></p><p>It reminded me of the shabad that comes in Shabad Hazare, in Raag Tilang:</p><p></p><p></p><p>"Ho Kurbani jao meharvana, ho kurbane Jao, ho kurbani jao tinna ke len jo </p><p>tera nao, len jo tera nao tinna ke ho sad kurbane jao."</p><p></p><p>"Oh Merciful one, I am a sacrifice, I am a sacrifice to those who take your name, to those who take your name, I am forever a sacrifice."</p><p></p><p>So, there I was trying to make sense, and it came to me that all these people are just trying to get to God, they have a thirst. The ones who do Yoga, they had not realised that Guruji was saying that true yoga is in singing kirtan of God, in praising Waheguru, is just living as a slave who without any iota of self-respect, keeps calling his lord and master.</p><p></p><p></p><p>"Jog Baniyaa tera Kirtan Gaaiaaa."</p><p></p><p></p><p>"You will achieve Jog (union, yoga's aim) through singing kirtan."</p><p></p><p>But that doesn't mean that we tell people doing yoga to stop, that they are anti sikhi. Sikhi is like the water in a massive iron bowl. In the middle of that bowl is a Nishaan sahib, representing Khalsa ideology. All of us are just little fish trying to swim to the Nishaan Sahib. Sikhi is on that one instant when someone sings with joy to his owner, his creator, and serves his creation with love. It cannot be hurt or destroyed.</p><p></p><p>All the emails from people attacking Kundalini yoga, they were too harsh and unnecessary. The Khalsa does not need to attack anyone or even to make them understand something. It has to do. Do paath, sing kirtan, learn raag vidya, show people the power of true sangat and gurbani being sung. If that does not convince them of the power of bani, the shortcoming lies with us. Guru has given us our inheritance, it is up to us to preserve it and show its shine, not complain when someone tries to add some new accessory to it. If we knew real raag and were nirmal, and did seva and had good Gurudwaras, then people would not add to what is already perfect. Prove that bani is pooran, complete and not lacking.... not attack those that cannot read it. </p><p></p><p></p><p>Set up classes for interpretation, research into Gurbani grammar, so people can make gurbani their guide.</p><p></p><p></p><p>"Waho waho bani nirankaar hai, tis jevad avar no koe."</p><p></p><p></p><p>"Hail, Hail, Bani is without form (GOD), there is nothing else like it"</p><p></p><p>Why are so many people in Dharamsala, so close to Amritsar, learning the obscure language of Tibetan? Why have they not all rushed to Darbar Sahib to do make langar and sing gurbani?? Because of our shortcomings.</p><p></p><p>Let us be proactive, not reactive.</p><p></p><p>Simar Raam Singh</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.sikhnet.com/sikhnet/discussion.nsf/SearchView/A1BC547A641D8EBF87256B89001EC6B2!OpenDocument" target="_blank">Our practice should be magnetic</a></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Sikh80, post: 66356, member: 5290"] [B][U][COLOR=blue]Some experiences[/COLOR][/U][/B] [U]Magic Of Wahegureu[/U] I have been reading the debate on Kundalini for more than a week and although educated on some points, have also found myself despairing at others. I never did Kundalini yoga, I never did any aasans, in fact I can't even sit in chaunkdi (lotus position) cause my knees never got the exposure to sitting on the floor. However, my Kundalini is up and running! Why?? [COLOR=blue][U]Because I went to sit with some true Gursikhs who were calling Waheguru[/U][/COLOR], I joined in and started crying. I felt Waheguru and realised all this was true. [COLOR=blue][U]Since then I have taken Amrit and learnt bani and that feeling can be mine again when I call Waheguru[/U][/COLOR]. I have hung out with western Sikhs from America, and Europe, some of whom came into Sikhi through 3HO, some through kirtan and simran in the sangat. I hung out with Amritdharis who did not believe in doing Waheguru simran, others who were convinced that only Amrit gave them the ability to say Waheguru, mona Sikhs who did panj banis every day, white Buddhists who were feeling, saying Waheguru; people in my family who were following Sai baba and longed to bow at his feet, relations that were pure yogis and others who were convinced that Rajneesh was God. Others were Catholic monks, those of no religion but keeping silent for contentment, Ba'hais. In this large assortment of individuals who seemed as eclectic a bunch as one could meet these last two years, I tried to find some understanding. I found that the ones I related to best were the ones whose eyes misted over when talking of God, when a distant look of longing, of bairaag, [COLOR=blue][U]the separation pangs of God/Enlightenment came to them.[/U][/COLOR] It was in these people that I found the true lovers of Waheguru, those who realised how unworthy they were and yet how beautiful Waheguru was. "[COLOR=blue][U]Ho Maala mal kubho na dhove, Har ka Naam kot Paap Khove[/U][/COLOR]" It reminded me of the shabad that comes in Shabad Hazare, in Raag Tilang: "Ho Kurbani jao meharvana, ho kurbane Jao, ho kurbani jao tinna ke len jo tera nao, len jo tera nao tinna ke ho sad kurbane jao." "Oh Merciful one, I am a sacrifice, I am a sacrifice to those who take your name, to those who take your name, I am forever a sacrifice." So, there I was trying to make sense, and it came to me that all these people are just trying to get to God, they have a thirst. The ones who do Yoga, they had not realised that Guruji was saying that true yoga is in singing kirtan of God, in praising Waheguru, is just living as a slave who without any iota of self-respect, keeps calling his lord and master. "Jog Baniyaa tera Kirtan Gaaiaaa." "You will achieve Jog (union, yoga's aim) through singing kirtan." But that doesn't mean that we tell people doing yoga to stop, that they are anti sikhi. Sikhi is like the water in a massive iron bowl. In the middle of that bowl is a Nishaan sahib, representing Khalsa ideology. All of us are just little fish trying to swim to the Nishaan Sahib. Sikhi is on that one instant when someone sings with joy to his owner, his creator, and serves his creation with love. It cannot be hurt or destroyed. All the emails from people attacking Kundalini yoga, they were too harsh and unnecessary. The Khalsa does not need to attack anyone or even to make them understand something. It has to do. Do paath, sing kirtan, learn raag vidya, show people the power of true sangat and gurbani being sung. If that does not convince them of the power of bani, the shortcoming lies with us. Guru has given us our inheritance, it is up to us to preserve it and show its shine, not complain when someone tries to add some new accessory to it. If we knew real raag and were nirmal, and did seva and had good Gurudwaras, then people would not add to what is already perfect. Prove that bani is pooran, complete and not lacking.... not attack those that cannot read it. Set up classes for interpretation, research into Gurbani grammar, so people can make gurbani their guide. "Waho waho bani nirankaar hai, tis jevad avar no koe." "Hail, Hail, Bani is without form (GOD), there is nothing else like it" Why are so many people in Dharamsala, so close to Amritsar, learning the obscure language of Tibetan? Why have they not all rushed to Darbar Sahib to do make langar and sing gurbani?? Because of our shortcomings. Let us be proactive, not reactive. Simar Raam Singh [url=http://www.sikhnet.com/sikhnet/discussion.nsf/SearchView/A1BC547A641D8EBF87256B89001EC6B2!OpenDocument]Our practice should be magnetic[/url] [/QUOTE]
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