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ਸੋ ਦਰੁ | So Dar
ਸੋਹਿਲਾ | Sohilaa
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ | Raag Siree-Raag
Gurbani (14-53)
Ashtpadiyan (53-71)
Gurbani (71-74)
Pahre (74-78)
Chhant (78-81)
Vanjara (81-82)
Vaar Siri Raag (83-91)
Bhagat Bani (91-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਝ | Raag Maajh
Gurbani (94-109)
Ashtpadi (109)
Ashtpadiyan (110-129)
Ashtpadi (129-130)
Ashtpadiyan (130-133)
Bara Maha (133-136)
Din Raen (136-137)
Vaar Maajh Ki (137-150)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗਉੜੀ | Raag Gauree
Gurbani (151-185)
Quartets/Couplets (185-220)
Ashtpadiyan (220-234)
Karhalei (234-235)
Ashtpadiyan (235-242)
Chhant (242-249)
Baavan Akhari (250-262)
Sukhmani (262-296)
Thittee (296-300)
Gauree kii Vaar (300-323)
Gurbani (323-330)
Ashtpadiyan (330-340)
Baavan Akhari (340-343)
Thintteen (343-344)
Vaar Kabir (344-345)
Bhagat Bani (345-346)
ਰਾਗੁ ਆਸਾ | Raag Aasaa
Gurbani (347-348)
Chaupaday (348-364)
Panchpadde (364-365)
Kaafee (365-409)
Aasaavaree (409-411)
Ashtpadiyan (411-432)
Patee (432-435)
Chhant (435-462)
Vaar Aasaa (462-475)
Bhagat Bani (475-488)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੂਜਰੀ | Raag Goojaree
Gurbani (489-503)
Ashtpadiyan (503-508)
Vaar Gujari (508-517)
Vaar Gujari (517-526)
ਰਾਗੁ ਦੇਵਗੰਧਾਰੀ | Raag Dayv-Gandhaaree
Gurbani (527-536)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਹਾਗੜਾ | Raag Bihaagraa
Gurbani (537-556)
Chhant (538-548)
Vaar Bihaagraa (548-556)
ਰਾਗੁ ਵਡਹੰਸ | Raag Wadhans
Gurbani (557-564)
Ashtpadiyan (564-565)
Chhant (565-575)
Ghoriaan (575-578)
Alaahaniiaa (578-582)
Vaar Wadhans (582-594)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੋਰਠਿ | Raag Sorath
Gurbani (595-634)
Asatpadhiya (634-642)
Vaar Sorath (642-659)
ਰਾਗੁ ਧਨਾਸਰੀ | Raag Dhanasaree
Gurbani (660-685)
Astpadhiya (685-687)
Chhant (687-691)
Bhagat Bani (691-695)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਤਸਰੀ | Raag Jaitsree
Gurbani (696-703)
Chhant (703-705)
Vaar Jaitsaree (705-710)
Bhagat Bani (710)
ਰਾਗੁ ਟੋਡੀ | Raag Todee
ਰਾਗੁ ਬੈਰਾੜੀ | Raag Bairaaree
ਰਾਗੁ ਤਿਲੰਗ | Raag Tilang
Gurbani (721-727)
Bhagat Bani (727)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੂਹੀ | Raag Suhi
Gurbani (728-750)
Ashtpadiyan (750-761)
Kaafee (761-762)
Suchajee (762)
Gunvantee (763)
Chhant (763-785)
Vaar Soohee (785-792)
Bhagat Bani (792-794)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਲਾਵਲੁ | Raag Bilaaval
Gurbani (795-831)
Ashtpadiyan (831-838)
Thitteen (838-840)
Vaar Sat (841-843)
Chhant (843-848)
Vaar Bilaaval (849-855)
Bhagat Bani (855-858)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੋਂਡ | Raag Gond
Gurbani (859-869)
Ashtpadiyan (869)
Bhagat Bani (870-875)
ਰਾਗੁ ਰਾਮਕਲੀ | Raag Ramkalee
Ashtpadiyan (902-916)
Gurbani (876-902)
Anand (917-922)
Sadd (923-924)
Chhant (924-929)
Dakhnee (929-938)
Sidh Gosat (938-946)
Vaar Ramkalee (947-968)
ਰਾਗੁ ਨਟ ਨਾਰਾਇਨ | Raag Nat Narayan
Gurbani (975-980)
Ashtpadiyan (980-983)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਲੀ ਗਉੜਾ | Raag Maalee Gauraa
Gurbani (984-988)
Bhagat Bani (988)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਰੂ | Raag Maaroo
Gurbani (889-1008)
Ashtpadiyan (1008-1014)
Kaafee (1014-1016)
Ashtpadiyan (1016-1019)
Anjulian (1019-1020)
Solhe (1020-1033)
Dakhni (1033-1043)
ਰਾਗੁ ਤੁਖਾਰੀ | Raag Tukhaari
Bara Maha (1107-1110)
Chhant (1110-1117)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕੇਦਾਰਾ | Raag Kedara
Gurbani (1118-1123)
Bhagat Bani (1123-1124)
ਰਾਗੁ ਭੈਰਉ | Raag Bhairo
Gurbani (1125-1152)
Partaal (1153)
Ashtpadiyan (1153-1167)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਸੰਤੁ | Raag Basant
Gurbani (1168-1187)
Ashtpadiyan (1187-1193)
Vaar Basant (1193-1196)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਾਰਗ | Raag Saarag
Gurbani (1197-1200)
Partaal (1200-1231)
Ashtpadiyan (1232-1236)
Chhant (1236-1237)
Vaar Saarang (1237-1253)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਲਾਰ | Raag Malaar
Gurbani (1254-1293)
Partaal (1265-1273)
Ashtpadiyan (1273-1278)
Chhant (1278)
Vaar Malaar (1278-91)
Bhagat Bani (1292-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਾਨੜਾ | Raag Kaanraa
Gurbani (1294-96)
Partaal (1296-1318)
Ashtpadiyan (1308-1312)
Chhant (1312)
Vaar Kaanraa
Bhagat Bani (1318)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਲਿਆਨ | Raag Kalyaan
Gurbani (1319-23)
Ashtpadiyan (1323-26)
ਰਾਗੁ ਪ੍ਰਭਾਤੀ | Raag Prabhaatee
Gurbani (1327-1341)
Ashtpadiyan (1342-51)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਜਾਵੰਤੀ | Raag Jaijaiwanti
Gurbani (1352-53)
Salok | Gatha | Phunahe | Chaubole | Swayiye
Sehskritee Mahala 1
Sehskritee Mahala 5
Gaathaa Mahala 5
Phunhay Mahala 5
Chaubolae Mahala 5
Shaloks Bhagat Kabir
Shaloks Sheikh Farid
Swaiyyae Mahala 5
Swaiyyae in Praise of Gurus
Shaloks in Addition To Vaars
Shalok Ninth Mehl
Mundavanee Mehl 5
ਰਾਗ ਮਾਲਾ, Raag Maalaa
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<blockquote data-quote="Gyani Jarnail Singh" data-source="post: 163779" data-attributes="member: 189"><p>The Gurmatt of Guru nanak ji is a complete and full Circle...Guur Nanak ji began His Mission -<strong> Nirmal Paanth</strong>...He incorporated whatever He found compatible with His mission but had already been espoused earlier than Him...examples the Bhagat banis, Sheikh farid Jis bani, etc etc....and then passed the "baton" to Guru Angad Ji...bypassing his flesh and blood becasue they were Both <strong>FOUND WANTING</strong>..and so on until Guru Gobind Singh ji...the Khalsa and BACK to the SGGS which is ESSENTIALLY the essence of Guru nanak jis Mission/Gurmatt/Nirmal Panth. Note that Guru Gobind Singh ji deliberately kept his own writings OUTSIDE the SGGS..even though He essentially re-edited the entire Granth, inserting the Gurbani of Guru teg bahadur Ji in hundreds of different but appropriate places (Raags/ashtpadees/chhands etc) (not as one chunk at one place as one would expect a later addition). </p><p>Hnece its perfectly natural to assume that the KHALSA PANTH and the NIRMAL PANTH ( Both also mean the same..PURE !!) are ONE and the SAME. One CANNOT claim to be a follower of the "Nirmal" Panth and say that the Khalsa Panth is for the birds ??..or that the Circle that Guru nanak ji drew..Begins" here and "ends" there..simply because a CIRCLE by its virtue is no beginning and no end..its <strong>ONE COMPLETE ENTITY</strong>... The 10 Gurus are ONE JYOT..ONE MESSAGE..ONE MISSION..ONE GURMATT..ONE GRANTH..and ONE PANTH. There's absolutely no place for any DUALITY. One cannot take out an arc of the circle and claim that arc is the complete circle..its NOT.</p><p></p><p>SIKHS of necessity have to base their beleif on the SGGS. SAKHIS are simply tales...many absolutely PREPOSTEROUS and POSITIVELY INSULTING to our GURU SAHIBS and yet we have "Sikhs" who accept such as biblical truth !! One such Sakhi claims Guru Arjun ji was "STUCK" ( by writers block !!! ??? ) at Ashtpadee 8 of Sukhmani sahib..and it was Baba Sri Chand ( who incidentally hasnt written a single line himslef ) who "BLESSED"..Guru Arjun ji and OPENED the Writers Block so Guru Ji could COMPLETE the Sukhmani sahib. Can a SIKH accept such a gross insult to the one who is Called GURU ka DOHTA..BANI Ka BOHTHA..by none other than GURU AMARDASS Ji and whose Compositions are the MOST NUMEROUS in SGGS ?? Yet yes..many "sikhs" accept this FAKE STORY as Gospel truth !!..and wish other sikhs would accept it too....</p><p>Another equally preposterous and false and insulting sakhi claims that GURU ANGAD JI had a CANCEROUS TOE...which was cured by Baba Sri Chand....</p><p>The sakhi about Guru ramdass Ji wiping/dusting the feet of Baba sri Chand is showing the HUMILITY of our Guru sahib..as is also hsown when Baba DASSU came up behind GURU AMARDASS JI and KICKED HIM OFF the STAGE while Guru Ji was having a discourse in Sangat. Dassu was SON of GURU Angad Ji (Also Found wanting and BYPASSED for Gurgadee by his father Guru Angad Ji ) He was ANGRY that his father had not given the gurgadee to him and instead given it to the ..old man Bhai Amru...) Had Guur ji so desired Dassu would ahve got a beating of his life by the angry sangat..BUT NO..Guur Amardass ji piakced himslef up from the floor..( age 75++) and PRESSED the FEET of dassu ji saying..OH my son..my old body and bones must have HURT your FOOT...and Massaged it in full sangat !! Now is this incident a "proud moment" for Baba DASSU or showing us just how HUMBLE and SINCERE our Guru sahibs were even towards their enemies and detractors. There is no "sakhi" that shows that any one of these "Guru-sons" ever did anything remotely simialr to what Guru Amardass Ji did to dassu or Guru ramdass Ji did to baba sri Chand...YET we have Sikhs trying to show that Baba Sri chand is SO GREAT that even Guru Ramdass ji wiped his feet with his long beard...and so we have to accept that Baba Dassu was also equally GREAT because he managed to KICK Guru Amardass ji to the FLOOR !! ( and whats NEXT..a Claim..." maybe Guru Amardass ji was afraid of DASSU....and pretended to massage his foot ??? I can imagine a Sikh claiming even that..the way things are going...nothing new..).</p><p>I can cite so many such sakhis....a complete waste of time and having to accept insults to my Guru sahibs....but many sikhs seem to be swearing by such sakhis...????.</p><p>How about Baba Prithi Chand ??? Elder brother of Guru Arjun Ji..His Family lineage has also started a Parallel GURUDOM..the Dhirmaliahs - who actually SHOT at Guru Teg bahadur Ji to kill him..BUT IF you see the CROWDS of "SIKHS" bowing at DERA BABA WADBHAG SINGH..you could be excused for believing that Baba Wadbhag Singh is a GREAT SIKH (and NOT an ASSASSIN who shot at the GURU and ran away to the hills to escape the wrath of the Sikhs). The Dhirmalliahs..the Meennas.. the ram raiyahs all claim to be SIKHS and they also have "separate GURBANIS...."..and Living GURUS...SODHIS..etc etc... Following this line of thought..any one can be a "sikh"...even if his ancestors shot and tried to kill a GURU..so what ???..if a son of a Guru can kick a Guur and get away with it..another son can get a Guru to wipe his foot with his beard.....another can get his brother Guru martyred..another can shoot..and miss..so what..he missed didnt he...so why cant he be a BABA and sikhs cant visit his dera and get their bhoots out?? Alas....what are we coming to...japposatnamwaheguru:</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Gyani Jarnail Singh, post: 163779, member: 189"] The Gurmatt of Guru nanak ji is a complete and full Circle...Guur Nanak ji began His Mission -[B] Nirmal Paanth[/B]...He incorporated whatever He found compatible with His mission but had already been espoused earlier than Him...examples the Bhagat banis, Sheikh farid Jis bani, etc etc....and then passed the "baton" to Guru Angad Ji...bypassing his flesh and blood becasue they were Both [B]FOUND WANTING[/B]..and so on until Guru Gobind Singh ji...the Khalsa and BACK to the SGGS which is ESSENTIALLY the essence of Guru nanak jis Mission/Gurmatt/Nirmal Panth. Note that Guru Gobind Singh ji deliberately kept his own writings OUTSIDE the SGGS..even though He essentially re-edited the entire Granth, inserting the Gurbani of Guru teg bahadur Ji in hundreds of different but appropriate places (Raags/ashtpadees/chhands etc) (not as one chunk at one place as one would expect a later addition). Hnece its perfectly natural to assume that the KHALSA PANTH and the NIRMAL PANTH ( Both also mean the same..PURE !!) are ONE and the SAME. One CANNOT claim to be a follower of the "Nirmal" Panth and say that the Khalsa Panth is for the birds ??..or that the Circle that Guru nanak ji drew..Begins" here and "ends" there..simply because a CIRCLE by its virtue is no beginning and no end..its [B]ONE COMPLETE ENTITY[/B]... The 10 Gurus are ONE JYOT..ONE MESSAGE..ONE MISSION..ONE GURMATT..ONE GRANTH..and ONE PANTH. There's absolutely no place for any DUALITY. One cannot take out an arc of the circle and claim that arc is the complete circle..its NOT. SIKHS of necessity have to base their beleif on the SGGS. SAKHIS are simply tales...many absolutely PREPOSTEROUS and POSITIVELY INSULTING to our GURU SAHIBS and yet we have "Sikhs" who accept such as biblical truth !! One such Sakhi claims Guru Arjun ji was "STUCK" ( by writers block !!! ??? ) at Ashtpadee 8 of Sukhmani sahib..and it was Baba Sri Chand ( who incidentally hasnt written a single line himslef ) who "BLESSED"..Guru Arjun ji and OPENED the Writers Block so Guru Ji could COMPLETE the Sukhmani sahib. Can a SIKH accept such a gross insult to the one who is Called GURU ka DOHTA..BANI Ka BOHTHA..by none other than GURU AMARDASS Ji and whose Compositions are the MOST NUMEROUS in SGGS ?? Yet yes..many "sikhs" accept this FAKE STORY as Gospel truth !!..and wish other sikhs would accept it too.... Another equally preposterous and false and insulting sakhi claims that GURU ANGAD JI had a CANCEROUS TOE...which was cured by Baba Sri Chand.... The sakhi about Guru ramdass Ji wiping/dusting the feet of Baba sri Chand is showing the HUMILITY of our Guru sahib..as is also hsown when Baba DASSU came up behind GURU AMARDASS JI and KICKED HIM OFF the STAGE while Guru Ji was having a discourse in Sangat. Dassu was SON of GURU Angad Ji (Also Found wanting and BYPASSED for Gurgadee by his father Guru Angad Ji ) He was ANGRY that his father had not given the gurgadee to him and instead given it to the ..old man Bhai Amru...) Had Guur ji so desired Dassu would ahve got a beating of his life by the angry sangat..BUT NO..Guur Amardass ji piakced himslef up from the floor..( age 75++) and PRESSED the FEET of dassu ji saying..OH my son..my old body and bones must have HURT your FOOT...and Massaged it in full sangat !! Now is this incident a "proud moment" for Baba DASSU or showing us just how HUMBLE and SINCERE our Guru sahibs were even towards their enemies and detractors. There is no "sakhi" that shows that any one of these "Guru-sons" ever did anything remotely simialr to what Guru Amardass Ji did to dassu or Guru ramdass Ji did to baba sri Chand...YET we have Sikhs trying to show that Baba Sri chand is SO GREAT that even Guru Ramdass ji wiped his feet with his long beard...and so we have to accept that Baba Dassu was also equally GREAT because he managed to KICK Guru Amardass ji to the FLOOR !! ( and whats NEXT..a Claim..." maybe Guru Amardass ji was afraid of DASSU....and pretended to massage his foot ??? I can imagine a Sikh claiming even that..the way things are going...nothing new..). I can cite so many such sakhis....a complete waste of time and having to accept insults to my Guru sahibs....but many sikhs seem to be swearing by such sakhis...????. How about Baba Prithi Chand ??? Elder brother of Guru Arjun Ji..His Family lineage has also started a Parallel GURUDOM..the Dhirmaliahs - who actually SHOT at Guru Teg bahadur Ji to kill him..BUT IF you see the CROWDS of "SIKHS" bowing at DERA BABA WADBHAG SINGH..you could be excused for believing that Baba Wadbhag Singh is a GREAT SIKH (and NOT an ASSASSIN who shot at the GURU and ran away to the hills to escape the wrath of the Sikhs). The Dhirmalliahs..the Meennas.. the ram raiyahs all claim to be SIKHS and they also have "separate GURBANIS...."..and Living GURUS...SODHIS..etc etc... Following this line of thought..any one can be a "sikh"...even if his ancestors shot and tried to kill a GURU..so what ???..if a son of a Guru can kick a Guur and get away with it..another son can get a Guru to wipe his foot with his beard.....another can get his brother Guru martyred..another can shoot..and miss..so what..he missed didnt he...so why cant he be a BABA and sikhs cant visit his dera and get their bhoots out?? Alas....what are we coming to...japposatnamwaheguru: [/QUOTE]
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