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Guru Granth Sahib
Composition, Arrangement & Layout
ਜਪੁ | Jup
ਸੋ ਦਰੁ | So Dar
ਸੋਹਿਲਾ | Sohilaa
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ | Raag Siree-Raag
Gurbani (14-53)
Ashtpadiyan (53-71)
Gurbani (71-74)
Pahre (74-78)
Chhant (78-81)
Vanjara (81-82)
Vaar Siri Raag (83-91)
Bhagat Bani (91-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਝ | Raag Maajh
Gurbani (94-109)
Ashtpadi (109)
Ashtpadiyan (110-129)
Ashtpadi (129-130)
Ashtpadiyan (130-133)
Bara Maha (133-136)
Din Raen (136-137)
Vaar Maajh Ki (137-150)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗਉੜੀ | Raag Gauree
Gurbani (151-185)
Quartets/Couplets (185-220)
Ashtpadiyan (220-234)
Karhalei (234-235)
Ashtpadiyan (235-242)
Chhant (242-249)
Baavan Akhari (250-262)
Sukhmani (262-296)
Thittee (296-300)
Gauree kii Vaar (300-323)
Gurbani (323-330)
Ashtpadiyan (330-340)
Baavan Akhari (340-343)
Thintteen (343-344)
Vaar Kabir (344-345)
Bhagat Bani (345-346)
ਰਾਗੁ ਆਸਾ | Raag Aasaa
Gurbani (347-348)
Chaupaday (348-364)
Panchpadde (364-365)
Kaafee (365-409)
Aasaavaree (409-411)
Ashtpadiyan (411-432)
Patee (432-435)
Chhant (435-462)
Vaar Aasaa (462-475)
Bhagat Bani (475-488)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੂਜਰੀ | Raag Goojaree
Gurbani (489-503)
Ashtpadiyan (503-508)
Vaar Gujari (508-517)
Vaar Gujari (517-526)
ਰਾਗੁ ਦੇਵਗੰਧਾਰੀ | Raag Dayv-Gandhaaree
Gurbani (527-536)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਹਾਗੜਾ | Raag Bihaagraa
Gurbani (537-556)
Chhant (538-548)
Vaar Bihaagraa (548-556)
ਰਾਗੁ ਵਡਹੰਸ | Raag Wadhans
Gurbani (557-564)
Ashtpadiyan (564-565)
Chhant (565-575)
Ghoriaan (575-578)
Alaahaniiaa (578-582)
Vaar Wadhans (582-594)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੋਰਠਿ | Raag Sorath
Gurbani (595-634)
Asatpadhiya (634-642)
Vaar Sorath (642-659)
ਰਾਗੁ ਧਨਾਸਰੀ | Raag Dhanasaree
Gurbani (660-685)
Astpadhiya (685-687)
Chhant (687-691)
Bhagat Bani (691-695)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਤਸਰੀ | Raag Jaitsree
Gurbani (696-703)
Chhant (703-705)
Vaar Jaitsaree (705-710)
Bhagat Bani (710)
ਰਾਗੁ ਟੋਡੀ | Raag Todee
ਰਾਗੁ ਬੈਰਾੜੀ | Raag Bairaaree
ਰਾਗੁ ਤਿਲੰਗ | Raag Tilang
Gurbani (721-727)
Bhagat Bani (727)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੂਹੀ | Raag Suhi
Gurbani (728-750)
Ashtpadiyan (750-761)
Kaafee (761-762)
Suchajee (762)
Gunvantee (763)
Chhant (763-785)
Vaar Soohee (785-792)
Bhagat Bani (792-794)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਲਾਵਲੁ | Raag Bilaaval
Gurbani (795-831)
Ashtpadiyan (831-838)
Thitteen (838-840)
Vaar Sat (841-843)
Chhant (843-848)
Vaar Bilaaval (849-855)
Bhagat Bani (855-858)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੋਂਡ | Raag Gond
Gurbani (859-869)
Ashtpadiyan (869)
Bhagat Bani (870-875)
ਰਾਗੁ ਰਾਮਕਲੀ | Raag Ramkalee
Ashtpadiyan (902-916)
Gurbani (876-902)
Anand (917-922)
Sadd (923-924)
Chhant (924-929)
Dakhnee (929-938)
Sidh Gosat (938-946)
Vaar Ramkalee (947-968)
ਰਾਗੁ ਨਟ ਨਾਰਾਇਨ | Raag Nat Narayan
Gurbani (975-980)
Ashtpadiyan (980-983)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਲੀ ਗਉੜਾ | Raag Maalee Gauraa
Gurbani (984-988)
Bhagat Bani (988)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਰੂ | Raag Maaroo
Gurbani (889-1008)
Ashtpadiyan (1008-1014)
Kaafee (1014-1016)
Ashtpadiyan (1016-1019)
Anjulian (1019-1020)
Solhe (1020-1033)
Dakhni (1033-1043)
ਰਾਗੁ ਤੁਖਾਰੀ | Raag Tukhaari
Bara Maha (1107-1110)
Chhant (1110-1117)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕੇਦਾਰਾ | Raag Kedara
Gurbani (1118-1123)
Bhagat Bani (1123-1124)
ਰਾਗੁ ਭੈਰਉ | Raag Bhairo
Gurbani (1125-1152)
Partaal (1153)
Ashtpadiyan (1153-1167)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਸੰਤੁ | Raag Basant
Gurbani (1168-1187)
Ashtpadiyan (1187-1193)
Vaar Basant (1193-1196)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਾਰਗ | Raag Saarag
Gurbani (1197-1200)
Partaal (1200-1231)
Ashtpadiyan (1232-1236)
Chhant (1236-1237)
Vaar Saarang (1237-1253)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਲਾਰ | Raag Malaar
Gurbani (1254-1293)
Partaal (1265-1273)
Ashtpadiyan (1273-1278)
Chhant (1278)
Vaar Malaar (1278-91)
Bhagat Bani (1292-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਾਨੜਾ | Raag Kaanraa
Gurbani (1294-96)
Partaal (1296-1318)
Ashtpadiyan (1308-1312)
Chhant (1312)
Vaar Kaanraa
Bhagat Bani (1318)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਲਿਆਨ | Raag Kalyaan
Gurbani (1319-23)
Ashtpadiyan (1323-26)
ਰਾਗੁ ਪ੍ਰਭਾਤੀ | Raag Prabhaatee
Gurbani (1327-1341)
Ashtpadiyan (1342-51)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਜਾਵੰਤੀ | Raag Jaijaiwanti
Gurbani (1352-53)
Salok | Gatha | Phunahe | Chaubole | Swayiye
Sehskritee Mahala 1
Sehskritee Mahala 5
Gaathaa Mahala 5
Phunhay Mahala 5
Chaubolae Mahala 5
Shaloks Bhagat Kabir
Shaloks Sheikh Farid
Swaiyyae Mahala 5
Swaiyyae in Praise of Gurus
Shaloks in Addition To Vaars
Shalok Ninth Mehl
Mundavanee Mehl 5
ਰਾਗ ਮਾਲਾ, Raag Maalaa
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<blockquote data-quote="sunmukh" data-source="post: 136387" data-attributes="member: 11050"><p>Ek OnKaar Sat Naam</p><p> </p><p>SPNAdmin ji</p><p> </p><p>Nepotism is being used as commonly defined in dictionaries.</p><p> </p><p>This is one definition </p><p></p><p><strong> - oxforddictionairies.com</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p>There is no implication that the nepotism is destined to result in either poorer or better decision making by the favoured person. </p><p></p><p>So in a way, perhaps you are also jumping to second guessing, by asking whether any Sikh Gurus behaved in anything other than a most humble, virtuous, and self-sacrificial manner. None of this is in dispute and there is no implication that there were any "nefarious" acts of part of any Sikh Gurus. </p><p></p><p>Nevertheless I personally think, in my own opinion, which is all it is, is that nepotism existed and resulted in the transfer of gurugaddi rather than transfer based solely on merit.</p><p></p><p><span style="color: Red"><em><strong>Admin Update: Related Thread <a href="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/business-and-lifestyle/33128-lineage-of-the-sikh-gurus.html" target="_blank">http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/business-and-lifestyle/33128-lineage-of-the-sikh-gurus.html</a></strong></em></span> </p><p></p><p>In my own humble opinion this is most probably the reason that there are no shabds from 6th, 7th, 8th or 10th Guru Sahiban in Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji. It is possible that their jyot was in fact a little different from the other 6 Guru Sahiban, something recognised by Sri Guru Gobind Singh. </p><p></p><p>Each one of these 4 Gurus had by now more than sufficient followers and extensive financial resources, so had means at their disposal to have shabds written, if not by themselves then at least by contracted poets/scribes/composers. Sri Guru Gobind Singh ji had over 50 poets in his court, and used them extensively, but still did not see fit to include compositions in Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji.</p><p> </p><p>So now when I wonder why that is, I unfortuntely have to second guess, and assume in my manmat that what was being written by these 50 odd poets was not in accord with Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji, and Sri Guru Gobind Singh ji was also well aware of this fact. </p><p></p><p>What was coming out was quite possibly not in line with the very pure non-ritualistic devotion to God that Sri Guru Granth Sahib inspires one to follow. The message of Sri Guru Granth Sahib is very simple albeit repetitive at times. There is devotion to God, remembrance of God, love of God, along with good or virtuous actions and charity when possible. There is no space or time in Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji for subscriptions to rigorous daily ritualistic recitals at rigorously prescribed times ( amritvela being a time to reflect deeply upon God, not necessarily to recite), to dress uniquely, to seek an identity separate from one's neighbour, to become proud of one's behaviour aboove the behaviour of others, to put down other religions, to create states, to worship Guru ji above God (Guru Nanak Dev ji bows to God) Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji advocates devotion to God alone. He alone is the sole object of why humans are in this form, with no time for worship of Gurus or idolisation of one's religion and its practices. Removal of ego and duality can lead one to visualisation of this objective, and with God's grace one may realise it. </p><p></p><p>Sat Sri Akal</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="sunmukh, post: 136387, member: 11050"] Ek OnKaar Sat Naam SPNAdmin ji Nepotism is being used as commonly defined in dictionaries. This is one definition [B] - oxforddictionairies.com [/B] There is no implication that the nepotism is destined to result in either poorer or better decision making by the favoured person. So in a way, perhaps you are also jumping to second guessing, by asking whether any Sikh Gurus behaved in anything other than a most humble, virtuous, and self-sacrificial manner. None of this is in dispute and there is no implication that there were any "nefarious" acts of part of any Sikh Gurus. Nevertheless I personally think, in my own opinion, which is all it is, is that nepotism existed and resulted in the transfer of gurugaddi rather than transfer based solely on merit. [COLOR=Red][I][B]Admin Update: Related Thread [URL]http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/business-and-lifestyle/33128-lineage-of-the-sikh-gurus.html[/URL][/B][/I][/COLOR] In my own humble opinion this is most probably the reason that there are no shabds from 6th, 7th, 8th or 10th Guru Sahiban in Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji. It is possible that their jyot was in fact a little different from the other 6 Guru Sahiban, something recognised by Sri Guru Gobind Singh. Each one of these 4 Gurus had by now more than sufficient followers and extensive financial resources, so had means at their disposal to have shabds written, if not by themselves then at least by contracted poets/scribes/composers. Sri Guru Gobind Singh ji had over 50 poets in his court, and used them extensively, but still did not see fit to include compositions in Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji. So now when I wonder why that is, I unfortuntely have to second guess, and assume in my manmat that what was being written by these 50 odd poets was not in accord with Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji, and Sri Guru Gobind Singh ji was also well aware of this fact. What was coming out was quite possibly not in line with the very pure non-ritualistic devotion to God that Sri Guru Granth Sahib inspires one to follow. The message of Sri Guru Granth Sahib is very simple albeit repetitive at times. There is devotion to God, remembrance of God, love of God, along with good or virtuous actions and charity when possible. There is no space or time in Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji for subscriptions to rigorous daily ritualistic recitals at rigorously prescribed times ( amritvela being a time to reflect deeply upon God, not necessarily to recite), to dress uniquely, to seek an identity separate from one's neighbour, to become proud of one's behaviour aboove the behaviour of others, to put down other religions, to create states, to worship Guru ji above God (Guru Nanak Dev ji bows to God) Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji advocates devotion to God alone. He alone is the sole object of why humans are in this form, with no time for worship of Gurus or idolisation of one's religion and its practices. Removal of ego and duality can lead one to visualisation of this objective, and with God's grace one may realise it. Sat Sri Akal [/QUOTE]
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