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<blockquote data-quote="Seeker9" data-source="post: 129982" data-attributes="member: 11719"><p><meta http-equiv="CONTENT-TYPE" content="text/html; ch{censored}t=utf-8"> <title></title> <meta name="GENERATOR" content="OpenOffice.org 3.2 (Linux)"> <style type="text/css"> <!-- @page { margin: 2cm } P { margin-bottom: 0.21cm } A:link { so-language: zxx } --> </style> <span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #008000">[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Dear Biitu Ji[/FONT]</span></span></p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #008000">[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Always interesting to read your detailed posts[/FONT]</span></span></p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #008000">[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]I have copied and pasted some bits and added my comments in green[/FONT]</span></span></p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #001f4b">[FONT=tohama, verdana, geneva, lucida, lucida grande, arial, helvetica, sans-serif]</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #001f4b">[/FONT]</span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">If you want to say Evolution and Big Bang theories have all been accepted by the Roman Catholic Church that’s why it must be true and I/we must accept it, then why don’t you accept other Roman Catholic Doctrines & beliefs?</span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"></span> </p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #008000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Okay 2 things here:</span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #008000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">1) I was highlighting the fact that one of the main Christian Churches has accepted these scientific theories. As that Church also reveres and follows the same Bible that you do, it emphasises my recurring point that your entire position in this debate is built upon a different interpretation of these scriptures. Because the words are the same, but your explanations of what they mean are different</span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"></span> </p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #008000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">2) Clearly I'm not Christian so why on Earth would you ask me why I don't follow other Catholic Doctrines & beliefs. No offence intended my friend but I will have to say that was a silly argument!</span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"></span> </p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #001f4b">[FONT=tohama, verdana, geneva, lucida, lucida grande, arial, helvetica, sans-serif]</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #001f4b">[/FONT]</span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">I also gave value of Pi and e from the two verses of Creation. First verse of Genesis and first verse of John. Please check it. </span></span></span> </p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"></span> </p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #008000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">I did – I do not accept counting letters and numbers as a valid scientific method. That is just my personal view on it. </span></span></span> </p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"></span> </p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Of course I too believe Egyptians were great engineers, but I was talking about Pi. The value of which we still use as 22/7 (approximate) in which great Egyptians were Wrong! As the whole world was! But the Bible gave it right as it gave of e. Here is proven mathematical precision. </span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"></span> </p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #008000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">No you had to make some assumptions about what measurements were being referred to</span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #001f4b">[FONT=tohama, verdana, geneva, lucida, lucida grande, arial, helvetica, sans-serif]</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #001f4b">[/FONT]</span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">I would like to know which proofs I have illustrated using a numerological approach which are far from scientific?</span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"></span> </p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #008000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Okay let's look at what numerology means. Wiki is as good a place to start as any:</span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #008000"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numerology" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numerology</span></a></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"></span> </p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #008000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">I quote: “</span></span></span><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: #008000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">The term can also be used for those who place excess faith in numerical patterns</span></span></span><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: #008000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">”</span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"></span> </p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Then let's look at this extract from your website:</span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"></span> </p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000080">[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]If you examine the numerical values of each of the Hebrew letters, and the numerical value of the words (*see chart at end), and apply them to this formula: [/FONT]</span></span> </p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000080">[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]<u>The number of letters x the product of the </u>[/FONT]</span></span><span style="font-size: 9px"><em><span style="color: #000080">[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]letters[/FONT]</span></em></span><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: #000080">[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][/FONT]</span></span><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: #000080">[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: #000080">The number of words x the product of the [/FONT]</span></span><span style="font-size: 12px"><em><span style="color: #000080">[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]words[/FONT]</span></em></span><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: #000080">[FONT=Arial, sans-serif] [/FONT]</span></span> </p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000080">[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]You get 3.1416 x 10<sup>17</sup>. The value of p to four decimal places! Hmm.[/FONT]</span></span></p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000080"> [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]John 1:1[/FONT]</span></span></p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"><em><span style="color: #000080">“[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.[/FONT]</span></em></span><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000080">[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]”[/FONT]</span></span></p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000080">[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]In Greek:[/FONT]</span></span></p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000080">“[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]<strong>Ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ λόγος καὶ ὁ λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν θεόν καὶ θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος”</strong>[/FONT]</span></span></p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000080">[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Transliteration:[/FONT]</span></span></p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000080">“[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]En arche en o Logos kai o Logos en pros ton theon kai theos en o Logos.”[/FONT]</span></span></p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000080">[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]This time if you take the numerical value of each of the Greek letters (*see chart at end), and the numerical value of the words, and apply them to the same formula:[/FONT]</span></span></p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000080">[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]<u>The number of letters x the product of the letters</u></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000080">The number of words x the product of the words[/FONT]</span></span></p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000080">[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]You now get 2.7183 x 10[/FONT]</span></span><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000080"><sup>[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]65[/FONT]</sup></span></span><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000080">[FONT=Arial, sans-serif], the value of [/FONT]</span></span><span style="font-size: 12px"><em><span style="color: #000080">[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]e[/FONT]</span></em></span><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000080">[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]. Curious![/FONT]</span></span></p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"></span> </p><p></p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #008000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">You have divined meaning from numbers and letters and you have used different languages as well. Would Pi work in Greek. Would e work in Hebrew? It's all completely irrelevant because there are countless other languages where neither would work.</span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #008000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">This is not science and please do not insult our intelligence by trying to pass it of as science</span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"></span> </p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #001f4b">[FONT=tohama, verdana, geneva, lucida, lucida grande, arial, helvetica, sans-serif]</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #001f4b">[/FONT]</span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">I have Given proofs that </span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><u><strong>Humans and Dinosaurs Co-Existed</strong></u></span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">. Dinosaurs did not die long before humans came into existence. I think you have not taken my previous posts seriously.</span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"></span> </p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #008000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">I could say the exact same about you not accepting the counter proofs that have been posted on this thread including videos of scientists who are known and respected throughout the world.</span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"></span> </p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #001f4b">[FONT=tohama, verdana, geneva, lucida, lucida grande, arial, helvetica, sans-serif]</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #001f4b">[/FONT]</span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">But still for arguments sake if we consider Dinosaurs died long before Human came into existence, that doesn’t give humans safety! For there were many other Giant and average size </span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><strong>carnivorous animals who would have finished Humans! </strong></span></span></span> </p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"></span> </p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #008000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Really? Where you there?</span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"></span> </p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"></span> </p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><strong>Also I want to point out here that the population of Humans of that time was very rare on the other hand these carnivorous animals weretoo many in number and of many different species they could do their job very easily as I said </strong></span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><u><strong>according to evolution</strong></u></span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><strong> theory humans did not have sophisticated brain, or any protective thing, they did not have horns, sharp teeth, pointed nails, running speed, nothing!! And also all other animal babies, they grow very fast, but human baby take at least one and half year just to stand on its feet, it is the most helpless baby in the world! It couldn’t protect itself neither human could protect their baby in the ancient wilderness.</strong></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"></span> </p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #008000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">You must have been there to know all this in so much detail.......</span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"></span> </p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #001f4b">[FONT=tohama, verdana, geneva, lucida, lucida grande, arial, helvetica, sans-serif]</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #001f4b">[/FONT]</span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><strong>Human & Ape DNA:-</strong></span></span><span style="color: #001f4b">[FONT=tohama, verdana, geneva, lucida, lucida grande, arial, helvetica, sans-serif]</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #001f4b">[/FONT]</span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><u><strong>You are not a serious seeker</strong></u></span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><strong>; </strong></span></span></span> </p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"></span> </p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #008000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">My friend, I would note that I am almost twice your age and have more life experience and have been reading up on this sort of stuff almost as long as you have lived. You will afford me more courtesy if you want me to continue in this debate. I note I already commended you on the scale of your work on your website.</span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"></span> </p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"></span> </p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><strong>if you were you would have read carefully what I wrote and checked links I posted. I don’t think I need to explain it here. I would just say, read my previous posts carefully with the articles I referred to (see links).</strong></span></span><span style="color: #001f4b">[FONT=tohama, verdana, geneva, lucida, lucida grande, arial, helvetica, sans-serif] </span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #001f4b">[/FONT]</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"></span> </p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #008000">[FONT=tohama, verdana, geneva, lucida, lucida grande, arial, helvetica, sans-serif]A[/FONT]<span style="font-family: 'Arial'">nd you didn't answer my question. I asked what the percentage was.</span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"></span> </p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"></span> </p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><strong>I want to ask you, “Why are you sticking to Apes?” Apes are not only living things whose DNA matches with us. I’m quoting from my previous post ,”</strong></span></span></span><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">We share 40-50% of our DNA with cabbages, 60% of our DNA with a </span></span></span><span style="font-size: 9px"><a href="http://www.sof-in-australia.org/almostlike.htm" target="_blank">fruit fly (</a><a href="http://www.sof-in-australia.org/almostlike.htm" target="_blank"><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><strong>Drosophila species</strong></span></span></a></span><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><a href="http://www.sof-in-australia.org/almostlike.htm" target="_blank">)</a>, 50% of our DNA with Mice, </span></span></span><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><strong>75 %</strong></span></span></span><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">of our DNA with</span></span></span><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><strong>nematode worms, </strong></span></span></span><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">33% of our DNA with Daffodil (flower plant) etc. Why don’t these evolutionists (& you) say, cabbage, fruit fly, worm, potato, flower, mice, horse etc are our ancestors?”</span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"></span> </p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #008000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Our bodies contain a lot of water but we wouldn't compare ourselves to the ocean would we. Sorry I don't mean to be rude but I would have to say this is a silly argument. Does a cabbage have a head, arms and legs? Do mice have hands? Do humans or apes have wings? Or petals? Evolution looks for patterns and similarities. Do humans and apes have heads, arms, legs, fingers and toes? Yes they most certainly do!</span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"></span> </p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"></span> </p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><u><strong>Evolution promotes Racism. </strong></u></span></span></span> </p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"></span> </p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #008000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><u><strong>NO Humans promote racism</strong></u></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"></span> </p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #001f4b">[FONT=tohama, verdana, geneva, lucida, lucida grande, arial, helvetica, sans-serif]</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #001f4b">[/FONT]</span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">You interpreted the Bible your way but that’s clearly misinterpretation because Bible itself does not support your interpretation.</span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"></span> </p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #008000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">And has God told you that the Bible supports your interpretation? I have already mentioned that one of the largest and longest established branches of your religion takes an alternative view. I have no objection to freedom of speech but would ask you to recognise where you are in the grand scheme of things and don't be too quick to judge others.</span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"></span> </p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"></span> </p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000000"> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'">I doubt you ever read Bible because if you had read it you won’t say such thing.</span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"></span> </p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #008000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Yes I have and would and I daresay there are millions of Roman Catholics who would as well</span></span><span style="color: #001f4b">[FONT=tohama, verdana, geneva, lucida, lucida grande, arial, helvetica, sans-serif]</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #001f4b"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #001f4b"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #001f4b">[/FONT]</span><span style="color: #001f4b"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">I think this debate will never end, so I think you should study Creationism and Bible.</span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"></span> </p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #008000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Actually I am content with what I have already studied to date thank you</span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #001f4b">[FONT=tohama, verdana, geneva, lucida, lucida grande, arial, helvetica, sans-serif]</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #001f4b">[/FONT]</span><span style="color: #001f4b"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Still I will look 4 your responce. Thanks for all your responces.</span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"></span> </p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #008000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">And you Bittu Ji</span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #008000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Take care!</span></span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Seeker9, post: 129982, member: 11719"] <meta http-equiv="CONTENT-TYPE" content="text/html; ch{censored}t=utf-8"> <title></title> <meta name="GENERATOR" content="OpenOffice.org 3.2 (Linux)"> <style type="text/css"> <!-- @page { margin: 2cm } P { margin-bottom: 0.21cm } A:link { so-language: zxx } --> </style> [SIZE=3][COLOR=#008000][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Dear Biitu Ji[/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][COLOR=#008000][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Always interesting to read your detailed posts[/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][COLOR=#008000][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]I have copied and pasted some bits and added my comments in green[/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][COLOR=#001f4b][FONT=tohama, verdana, geneva, lucida, lucida grande, arial, helvetica, sans-serif] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]If you want to say Evolution and Big Bang theories have all been accepted by the Roman Catholic Church that’s why it must be true and I/we must accept it, then why don’t you accept other Roman Catholic Doctrines & beliefs?[/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=3] [/SIZE] [SIZE=3][COLOR=#008000][FONT=Arial]Okay 2 things here:[/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][COLOR=#008000][FONT=Arial]1) I was highlighting the fact that one of the main Christian Churches has accepted these scientific theories. As that Church also reveres and follows the same Bible that you do, it emphasises my recurring point that your entire position in this debate is built upon a different interpretation of these scriptures. Because the words are the same, but your explanations of what they mean are different[/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=3] [/SIZE] [SIZE=3][COLOR=#008000][FONT=Arial]2) Clearly I'm not Christian so why on Earth would you ask me why I don't follow other Catholic Doctrines & beliefs. No offence intended my friend but I will have to say that was a silly argument![/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=3] [/SIZE] [SIZE=3][COLOR=#001f4b][FONT=tohama, verdana, geneva, lucida, lucida grande, arial, helvetica, sans-serif] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]I also gave value of Pi and e from the two verses of Creation. First verse of Genesis and first verse of John. Please check it. [/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=3] [/SIZE] [SIZE=3][COLOR=#008000][FONT=Arial]I did – I do not accept counting letters and numbers as a valid scientific method. That is just my personal view on it. [/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=3] [/SIZE] [SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]Of course I too believe Egyptians were great engineers, but I was talking about Pi. The value of which we still use as 22/7 (approximate) in which great Egyptians were Wrong! As the whole world was! But the Bible gave it right as it gave of e. Here is proven mathematical precision. [/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=3] [/SIZE] [SIZE=3][COLOR=#008000][FONT=Arial]No you had to make some assumptions about what measurements were being referred to[/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][COLOR=#001f4b][FONT=tohama, verdana, geneva, lucida, lucida grande, arial, helvetica, sans-serif] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]I would like to know which proofs I have illustrated using a numerological approach which are far from scientific?[/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=3] [/SIZE] [SIZE=3][COLOR=#008000][FONT=Arial]Okay let's look at what numerology means. Wiki is as good a place to start as any:[/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][COLOR=#008000][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numerology"][FONT=Arial]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numerology[/FONT][/url][/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=3] [/SIZE] [SIZE=3][COLOR=#008000][FONT=Arial]I quote: “[/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=1][COLOR=#008000][FONT=Arial]The term can also be used for those who place excess faith in numerical patterns[/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=1][COLOR=#008000][FONT=Arial]”[/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=3] [/SIZE] [SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]Then let's look at this extract from your website:[/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=3] [/SIZE] [SIZE=3][COLOR=#000080][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]If you examine the numerical values of each of the Hebrew letters, and the numerical value of the words [URL="javascript:void(window.open('/images/artpics/hebrew_chart_400x344.jpg','_pic0','toolbar=no,location=no,status=no,directories=no,menubar=no,scrolling=auto,scrollbars=auto,width=415,height=355,resize=no'))"](*see chart[/URL] at end), and apply them to this formula: [/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][COLOR=#000080][FONT=Arial, sans-serif][U]The number of letters x the product of the [/U][/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=1][I][COLOR=#000080][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]letters[/FONT][/COLOR][/I][/SIZE][SIZE=1][COLOR=#000080][FONT=Arial, sans-serif][/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=1][COLOR=#000080][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] The number of words x the product of the [/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=3][I][COLOR=#000080][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]words[/FONT][/COLOR][/I][/SIZE][SIZE=1][COLOR=#000080][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] [/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][COLOR=#000080][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]You get 3.1416 x 10<sup>17</sup>. The value of p to four decimal places! Hmm.[/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][COLOR=#000080] [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]John 1:1[/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][I][COLOR=#000080]“[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I][/SIZE][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000080][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]”[/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][COLOR=#000080][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]In Greek:[/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][COLOR=#000080]“[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][B]Ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ λόγος καὶ ὁ λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν θεόν καὶ θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος”[/B][/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][COLOR=#000080][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Transliteration:[/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][COLOR=#000080]“[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]En arche en o Logos kai o Logos en pros ton theon kai theos en o Logos.”[/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][COLOR=#000080][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]This time if you take the numerical value of each of the Greek letters [URL="javascript:void(window.open('/images/artpics/greek_chart_400x360.jpg','_pic1','toolbar=no,location=no,status=no,directories=no,menubar=no,scrolling=auto,scrollbars=auto,width=415,height=370,resize=no'))"](*see chart at end)[/URL], and the numerical value of the words, and apply them to the same formula:[/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][COLOR=#000080][FONT=Arial, sans-serif][U]The number of letters x the product of the letters[/U] The number of words x the product of the words[/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][COLOR=#000080][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]You now get 2.7183 x 10[/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000080]<sup>[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]65[/FONT]</sup>[/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000080][FONT=Arial, sans-serif], the value of [/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=3][I][COLOR=#000080][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]e[/FONT][/COLOR][/I][/SIZE][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000080][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]. Curious![/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=3] [/SIZE] [SIZE=3][COLOR=#008000][FONT=Arial]You have divined meaning from numbers and letters and you have used different languages as well. Would Pi work in Greek. Would e work in Hebrew? It's all completely irrelevant because there are countless other languages where neither would work.[/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][COLOR=#008000][FONT=Arial]This is not science and please do not insult our intelligence by trying to pass it of as science[/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=3] [/SIZE] [SIZE=3][COLOR=#001f4b][FONT=tohama, verdana, geneva, lucida, lucida grande, arial, helvetica, sans-serif] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]I have Given proofs that [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial][U][B]Humans and Dinosaurs Co-Existed[/B][/U][/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]. Dinosaurs did not die long before humans came into existence. I think you have not taken my previous posts seriously.[/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=3] [/SIZE] [SIZE=3][COLOR=#008000][FONT=Arial]I could say the exact same about you not accepting the counter proofs that have been posted on this thread including videos of scientists who are known and respected throughout the world.[/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=3] [/SIZE] [SIZE=3][COLOR=#001f4b][FONT=tohama, verdana, geneva, lucida, lucida grande, arial, helvetica, sans-serif] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]But still for arguments sake if we consider Dinosaurs died long before Human came into existence, that doesn’t give humans safety! For there were many other Giant and average size [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial][B]carnivorous animals who would have finished Humans! [/B][/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=3] [/SIZE] [SIZE=3][COLOR=#008000][FONT=Arial]Really? Where you there?[/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=3] [/SIZE] [SIZE=3] [/SIZE] [SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial][B]Also I want to point out here that the population of Humans of that time was very rare on the other hand these carnivorous animals weretoo many in number and of many different species they could do their job very easily as I said [/B][/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial][U][B]according to evolution[/B][/U][/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial][B] theory humans did not have sophisticated brain, or any protective thing, they did not have horns, sharp teeth, pointed nails, running speed, nothing!! And also all other animal babies, they grow very fast, but human baby take at least one and half year just to stand on its feet, it is the most helpless baby in the world! It couldn’t protect itself neither human could protect their baby in the ancient wilderness.[/B][/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=3] [/SIZE] [SIZE=3][COLOR=#008000][FONT=Arial]You must have been there to know all this in so much detail.......[/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=3] [/SIZE] [SIZE=3][COLOR=#001f4b][FONT=tohama, verdana, geneva, lucida, lucida grande, arial, helvetica, sans-serif] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial][B]Human & Ape DNA:-[/B][/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#001f4b][FONT=tohama, verdana, geneva, lucida, lucida grande, arial, helvetica, sans-serif] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial][U][B]You are not a serious seeker[/B][/U][/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial][B]; [/B][/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=3] [/SIZE] [SIZE=3][COLOR=#008000][FONT=Arial]My friend, I would note that I am almost twice your age and have more life experience and have been reading up on this sort of stuff almost as long as you have lived. You will afford me more courtesy if you want me to continue in this debate. I note I already commended you on the scale of your work on your website.[/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=3] [/SIZE] [SIZE=3] [/SIZE] [SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial][B]if you were you would have read carefully what I wrote and checked links I posted. I don’t think I need to explain it here. I would just say, read my previous posts carefully with the articles I referred to (see links).[/B][/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#001f4b][FONT=tohama, verdana, geneva, lucida, lucida grande, arial, helvetica, sans-serif] [/FONT][/COLOR] [/SIZE] [SIZE=3][COLOR=#008000][FONT=tohama, verdana, geneva, lucida, lucida grande, arial, helvetica, sans-serif]A[/FONT][FONT=Arial]nd you didn't answer my question. I asked what the percentage was.[/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=3] [/SIZE] [SIZE=3] [/SIZE] [SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial][B]I want to ask you, “Why are you sticking to Apes?” Apes are not only living things whose DNA matches with us. I’m quoting from my previous post ,”[/B][/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=1][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]We share 40-50% of our DNA with cabbages, 60% of our DNA with a [/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=1][URL="http://www.sof-in-australia.org/almostlike.htm"]fruit fly ([/URL][URL="http://www.sof-in-australia.org/almostlike.htm"][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial][B]Drosophila species[/B][/FONT][/COLOR][/URL][/SIZE][SIZE=1][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial][URL="http://www.sof-in-australia.org/almostlike.htm"])[/URL], 50% of our DNA with Mice, [/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=1][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial][B]75 %[/B][/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=1][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]of our DNA with[/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=1][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial][B]nematode worms, [/B][/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=1][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]33% of our DNA with Daffodil (flower plant) etc. Why don’t these evolutionists (& you) say, cabbage, fruit fly, worm, potato, flower, mice, horse etc are our ancestors?”[/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=3] [/SIZE] [SIZE=3][COLOR=#008000][FONT=Arial]Our bodies contain a lot of water but we wouldn't compare ourselves to the ocean would we. Sorry I don't mean to be rude but I would have to say this is a silly argument. Does a cabbage have a head, arms and legs? Do mice have hands? Do humans or apes have wings? Or petals? Evolution looks for patterns and similarities. Do humans and apes have heads, arms, legs, fingers and toes? Yes they most certainly do![/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=3] [/SIZE] [SIZE=3] [/SIZE] [SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial][U][B]Evolution promotes Racism. [/B][/U][/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=3] [/SIZE] [SIZE=3][COLOR=#008000][FONT=Arial][U][B]NO Humans promote racism[/B][/U][/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=3] [/SIZE] [SIZE=3][COLOR=#001f4b][FONT=tohama, verdana, geneva, lucida, lucida grande, arial, helvetica, sans-serif] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]You interpreted the Bible your way but that’s clearly misinterpretation because Bible itself does not support your interpretation.[/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=3] [/SIZE] [SIZE=3][COLOR=#008000][FONT=Arial]And has God told you that the Bible supports your interpretation? I have already mentioned that one of the largest and longest established branches of your religion takes an alternative view. I have no objection to freedom of speech but would ask you to recognise where you are in the grand scheme of things and don't be too quick to judge others.[/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=3] [/SIZE] [SIZE=3] [/SIZE] [SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000] [FONT=Arial]I doubt you ever read Bible because if you had read it you won’t say such thing.[/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=3] [/SIZE] [SIZE=3][COLOR=#008000][FONT=Arial]Yes I have and would and I daresay there are millions of Roman Catholics who would as well[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#001f4b][FONT=tohama, verdana, geneva, lucida, lucida grande, arial, helvetica, sans-serif] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#001f4b][FONT=Arial]I think this debate will never end, so I think you should study Creationism and Bible.[/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=3] [/SIZE] [SIZE=3][COLOR=#008000][FONT=Arial]Actually I am content with what I have already studied to date thank you[/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][COLOR=#001f4b][FONT=tohama, verdana, geneva, lucida, lucida grande, arial, helvetica, sans-serif] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#001f4b][FONT=Arial]Still I will look 4 your responce. Thanks for all your responces.[/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=3] [/SIZE] [SIZE=3][COLOR=#008000][FONT=Arial]And you Bittu Ji[/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][COLOR=#008000][FONT=Arial]Take care![/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE] [/QUOTE]
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