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Answering The Wrong Doubts About Bani Onto Tenth Master
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<blockquote data-quote="vijaydeep Singh" data-source="post: 57356" data-attributes="member: 313"><p>Gurfateh</p><p></p><p> </p><p> </p><p style="text-align: center"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><strong>at a time person can have one father.</strong></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p> </p><p style="text-align: center"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><strong>So if das writes his name as vijaydeep Singh virk then it may means that realtionship both with Guru Gobind Singh and Jathera Virk Vardhan.</strong></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p> </p><p style="text-align: center"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><strong>As per S. Rawail Singh himslef and ex jat like das jattism is great danger.</strong></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p> </p><p style="text-align: center"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><strong>Better to have name Charnjeet Bal or Charnjeet Singh.</strong></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p> </p><p style="text-align: center"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><strong>List of jatts anti to panth.</strong></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p style="text-align: center"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><strong>Handaliyas,Akal das nirnajani,Sahib rai Sandhu,Karma Chhina,Rama Randhwaa.</strong></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p> </p><p style="text-align: center"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><strong>Presently Radhswamis of Beas,Narender Grewal,Ram Raheem of Sirsa etc.</strong></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p> </p><p style="text-align: center"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><strong>good for Panth have been ex jaats.</strong></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p> </p><p style="text-align: center"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><strong>Like</strong></span></p> <p style="text-align: center"></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><strong>Bhai Bala(Ex Sandhu),Baba Budha(Ex Randhawa).Bhai Dharam Singh(Ex Jawanda)Nwab Kapur Singh and Kirora Singh(ex virk like das), And Bhai Randheer Singh(ex Basant Singh grewal) and Sant Ji (Ex Berar).</strong></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p>Gurfateh</p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black">There has been no faith like Hinduism.Better is to call pagan indians and Islam</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black">coming to pagan things some mann gotra jatt claim to be from jattas or locks of shiva so they kept uncut hair.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black">Some intellectual can tommrow claim pagan things in faith as oppose to keeping uncut hairs.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">Gurfateh</span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></p><p> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black">main probelm is coming of new converts with pagan influence.what you call ritualism say like 5keys or 5 tabbos in us make us desicplined to live the life practically.</span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"></span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black">We have been since pastsuccesfully overcoming such attempts against us by foolproof arrangement by Guru.</span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"></span></span></span></span></p><p> </p><p>Gurfateh</p><p> </p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Calling the faith as nation is like understanding ourself like that of Hindus who are nation based faith.Our faith is universal and big thing which is forgottan over here is the fact that the Guruship was already given to the Panth when Tenth Master took baptism from the Sikhs.</span></span></p><p> </p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=444&punjabi=t&id=20246" target="_blank"><u><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: #0000ff">ਪੰਨਾ 444, ਸਤਰ 8</span></span></u></a></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: black">ਗੁਰੂ ਸਿਖੁ ਸਿਖੁ ਗੁਰੂ ਹੈ ਏਕੋ ਗੁਰ ਉਪਦੇਸੁ ਚਲਾਏ ॥</span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: black">गुरू सिखु सिखु गुरू है एको गुर उपदेसु चलाए ॥</span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: black">Gurū sikẖ sikẖ gurū hai ėko gur upḏės cẖalā&shy;ė.</span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: black">The Guru's Sikh, and the Sikh's Guru, are one and the same; both spread the Guru's Teachings.</span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="color: green">ਮਃ 4</span></span> - [SIZE=-1]<span style="color: #0000ff"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=KeertanPage&K=444&L=8" target="_blank"><u>view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok</u></a></span>[/SIZE]</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0000ff">other proofs are Gurbani by Bhai Mardana,Baba Sunder,Satta Ji and Balwand Ji and Bhatts Sahibs.All made contribution vide bani.They wre one with Guru.</span></span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">Gurfateh</span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">why is not Panch Khalsa Diwan not mentioned here?</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">And why Maan singh Nirankaris then keeps on putting his noon sense things in spokesman?</span></span></p><p> </p><p>Gurfateh</p><p></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Here it appears that writer wants to say that Guru was unable to create such a community of the people,who were unable to fend for themselves once guru went to Sachkhand or Guru's making Guru Granth Sahib as eteranl Guru did not work and Gurus foolproof arrangements to keep faith intact were a failure.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Panth waited that those guys who were sultanis during Muslim periods and took Sikh attire during Sikh rule and then created a protestant form to appease britishers.nice thing.</span></span></p><p> </p><p>Gurfateh</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">first thing is that Vedanta has nothing to do with hindu ie a natioanlity like Christianity has nothing to do with Britishness.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">coming to the book.Das has one copy of it,where during some poxes ailment,we do not have Durga being worshipped as we were told in one forrum of taponban.com/</span></span></p><p> </p><p>Gurfateh</p><p></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">It has been told that any one who is not following the particular idelogy is a fool and is been befooled.And only few are realy intellgent.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Das would like to let there be some more lights over blames been done over writing as such attempts were made over Guru Granth Sahib Ji also by Bhasauris but by hard work it was overcome.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Anyway as an ex jaat das is aware that jaats are by blood hard working.But they have limit.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">After baptism,when a person is no longer a jaat or teli or any racial ideot.We have no power of us and all power is of Akal.Who is limitless.</span></span></p><p> </p><p>Gurfateh</p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Again there has been attack on foolproofness of the Panth and there is an attempt to prove that Panth is waek to resists any such attacks</span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Again ego has been shown here to prove self as we only are ture and others are Bad,this is fundamentalsim.</span></span></p><p> </p><p>Gurfateh</p><p></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">1.Same Nabah Sahib agree that Mehtab Singh stroy of not making many volume of the book after succeding in killing of Massa.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">2.Same Nabha Sahib was found with weak side after Bhai Jodh Singh carried out correct study of Kartarpuri Beerh.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">so no one is perfect.</span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">This Jaggi Sahib have by now changed the side.After understanding the logic in differant way.</span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black">some time present day genuine schlors also try to twist the meanings off the context.so such problems arise.</span></span></p><p> </p><p>Gurfateh</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Das is interested to know that what all people like mr Bal has done during Pujabi suba or Anti nirankari or Pro Khalistan movements or recent fight with Sirsa dera?</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Das has seen one missionary in shape of vomiting and not eating meat das offered him,when in Area around the das was tense(there on 3 houses of Sikh we had 5 house of dera followers).</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Das as per Nihung tradition sharppened his Saf jung and ate about a Kilo of meat and waited along side his Taksalis,Nanaksaris and Akhand Kirtani Jatha brethern.He had waited for figth which dear people did not pck up but missioanries also refuse to accompany them into a rally against dera.</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Brave people indeed.Off course we were been told by RSS guys also that ion cae Dera guys pick up the fight they will also join fromm our side as Gurmeet since long and still each morning keeps on abusing Hinduism.</span></span></p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Reason for fear in missioarrie was due to the fact that they preach fear to others and feel happy to humliates others by their pen.But in war we have to make frineds to sclude the enemy and fight also.</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Dhadi Vars only later tells the generations to come what we did.They are the singing of history we create.</span></span></p><p> </p><p>Gurfateh</p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="color: black"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="color: black"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="color: black"></span></span></p><p style="text-align: center"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="color: black">condeming the fellow Sikhs at one side and claiming to libral is a hypocracy.</p><p></span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="vijaydeep Singh, post: 57356, member: 313"] Gurfateh [CENTER][FONT=Arial][B]at a time person can have one father.[/B][/FONT][/CENTER] [CENTER][FONT=Arial][B]So if das writes his name as vijaydeep Singh virk then it may means that realtionship both with Guru Gobind Singh and Jathera Virk Vardhan.[/B][/FONT][/CENTER] [CENTER][FONT=Arial][B]As per S. Rawail Singh himslef and ex jat like das jattism is great danger.[/B][/FONT][/CENTER] [CENTER][FONT=Arial][B]Better to have name Charnjeet Bal or Charnjeet Singh.[/B][/FONT][/CENTER] [CENTER][FONT=Arial][B]List of jatts anti to panth.[/B][/FONT][/CENTER] [CENTER][FONT=Arial][B]Handaliyas,Akal das nirnajani,Sahib rai Sandhu,Karma Chhina,Rama Randhwaa.[/B][/FONT][/CENTER] [CENTER][FONT=Arial][B]Presently Radhswamis of Beas,Narender Grewal,Ram Raheem of Sirsa etc.[/B][/FONT][/CENTER] [CENTER][FONT=Arial][B]good for Panth have been ex jaats.[/B][/FONT][/CENTER] [CENTER][FONT=Arial][B]Like[/B][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][B]Bhai Bala(Ex Sandhu),Baba Budha(Ex Randhawa).Bhai Dharam Singh(Ex Jawanda)Nwab Kapur Singh and Kirora Singh(ex virk like das), And Bhai Randheer Singh(ex Basant Singh grewal) and Sant Ji (Ex Berar).[/B][/FONT][/CENTER] Gurfateh [FONT=Arial][COLOR=black]There has been no faith like Hinduism.Better is to call pagan indians and Islam[/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][COLOR=black]coming to pagan things some mann gotra jatt claim to be from jattas or locks of shiva so they kept uncut hair.[/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][COLOR=black]Some intellectual can tommrow claim pagan things in faith as oppose to keeping uncut hairs.[/COLOR][/FONT] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial][COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma]Gurfateh[/FONT][/COLOR] [FONT=Arial][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial][COLOR=black]main probelm is coming of new converts with pagan influence.what you call ritualism say like 5keys or 5 tabbos in us make us desicplined to live the life practically.[/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][COLOR=black]We have been since pastsuccesfully overcoming such attempts against us by foolproof arrangement by Guru.[/COLOR][/FONT] [/COLOR][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] Gurfateh [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]Calling the faith as nation is like understanding ourself like that of Hindus who are nation based faith.Our faith is universal and big thing which is forgottan over here is the fact that the Guruship was already given to the Panth when Tenth Master took baptism from the Sikhs.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=444&punjabi=t&id=20246"][U][SIZE=4][COLOR=#0000ff]ਪੰਨਾ 444, ਸਤਰ 8[/COLOR][/SIZE][/U][/URL][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][FONT=AnmolUniPr][SIZE=4][COLOR=black]ਗੁਰੂ ਸਿਖੁ ਸਿਖੁ ਗੁਰੂ ਹੈ ਏਕੋ ਗੁਰ ਉਪਦੇਸੁ ਚਲਾਏ ॥[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=1][COLOR=black]गुरू सिखु सिखु गुरू है एको गुर उपदेसु चलाए ॥[/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=1][COLOR=black]Gurū sikẖ sikẖ gurū hai ėko gur upḏės cẖalā­ė.[/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=1][COLOR=black]The Guru's Sikh, and the Sikh's Guru, are one and the same; both spread the Guru's Teachings.[/COLOR][/SIZE] [FONT=AnmolUniPr][COLOR=green]ਮਃ 4[/COLOR][/FONT] - [SIZE=-1][COLOR=#0000ff][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=KeertanPage&K=444&L=8"][U]view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok[/U][/URL][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]other proofs are Gurbani by Bhai Mardana,Baba Sunder,Satta Ji and Balwand Ji and Bhatts Sahibs.All made contribution vide bani.They wre one with Guru.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma]Gurfateh[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]why is not Panch Khalsa Diwan not mentioned here?[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]And why Maan singh Nirankaris then keeps on putting his noon sense things in spokesman?[/FONT][/COLOR] Gurfateh [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]Here it appears that writer wants to say that Guru was unable to create such a community of the people,who were unable to fend for themselves once guru went to Sachkhand or Guru's making Guru Granth Sahib as eteranl Guru did not work and Gurus foolproof arrangements to keep faith intact were a failure.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]Panth waited that those guys who were sultanis during Muslim periods and took Sikh attire during Sikh rule and then created a protestant form to appease britishers.nice thing.[/FONT][/COLOR] Gurfateh [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]first thing is that Vedanta has nothing to do with hindu ie a natioanlity like Christianity has nothing to do with Britishness.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]coming to the book.Das has one copy of it,where during some poxes ailment,we do not have Durga being worshipped as we were told in one forrum of taponban.com/[/FONT][/COLOR] Gurfateh [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]It has been told that any one who is not following the particular idelogy is a fool and is been befooled.And only few are realy intellgent.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]Das would like to let there be some more lights over blames been done over writing as such attempts were made over Guru Granth Sahib Ji also by Bhasauris but by hard work it was overcome.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]Anyway as an ex jaat das is aware that jaats are by blood hard working.But they have limit.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]After baptism,when a person is no longer a jaat or teli or any racial ideot.We have no power of us and all power is of Akal.Who is limitless.[/FONT][/COLOR] Gurfateh [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]Again there has been attack on foolproofness of the Panth and there is an attempt to prove that Panth is waek to resists any such attacks[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]Again ego has been shown here to prove self as we only are ture and others are Bad,this is fundamentalsim.[/FONT][/COLOR] Gurfateh [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]1.Same Nabah Sahib agree that Mehtab Singh stroy of not making many volume of the book after succeding in killing of Massa.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]2.Same Nabha Sahib was found with weak side after Bhai Jodh Singh carried out correct study of Kartarpuri Beerh.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]so no one is perfect.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]This Jaggi Sahib have by now changed the side.After understanding the logic in differant way.[/FONT][/COLOR] [FONT=Arial][COLOR=black]some time present day genuine schlors also try to twist the meanings off the context.so such problems arise.[/COLOR][/FONT] Gurfateh [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]Das is interested to know that what all people like mr Bal has done during Pujabi suba or Anti nirankari or Pro Khalistan movements or recent fight with Sirsa dera?[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]Das has seen one missionary in shape of vomiting and not eating meat das offered him,when in Area around the das was tense(there on 3 houses of Sikh we had 5 house of dera followers).[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]Das as per Nihung tradition sharppened his Saf jung and ate about a Kilo of meat and waited along side his Taksalis,Nanaksaris and Akhand Kirtani Jatha brethern.He had waited for figth which dear people did not pck up but missioanries also refuse to accompany them into a rally against dera.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]Brave people indeed.Off course we were been told by RSS guys also that ion cae Dera guys pick up the fight they will also join fromm our side as Gurmeet since long and still each morning keeps on abusing Hinduism.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]Reason for fear in missioarrie was due to the fact that they preach fear to others and feel happy to humliates others by their pen.But in war we have to make frineds to sclude the enemy and fight also.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]Dhadi Vars only later tells the generations to come what we did.They are the singing of history we create.[/FONT][/COLOR] Gurfateh [FONT=Tahoma][COLOR=black] [CENTER]condeming the fellow Sikhs at one side and claiming to libral is a hypocracy.[/CENTER] 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