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Answering The Wrong Doubts About Bani Onto Tenth Master
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<blockquote data-quote="The Khalsa Fauj" data-source="post: 50128" data-attributes="member: 4028"><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">“So Akal can not be termed as Rai.Wait.</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">You want to question that Sixth Master gave Guruship to his grand son with namr Har Rai.Was not name of Tenth Master also Gobind Rai, Before he became Singh?</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">So who so ever gave surname Rai,to Gurus,were not OK as per you”</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">Where did I say it was not okay to have Rai as a last name? Once again this has nothing to do with Akaal. Looks like tria chariter promoters are losing it.</span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">“You are lier.Sikhs on order of Lord borugght the thief lady with items which were as per lord were stolen.</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">Sikhs got hold of a lady,who was wofe of wealthy and who was accused of stealing the stuff of the lord.”</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">Once again, there is no lie as I made my intention clear. Items were with the lady. They were brought back with her when she was brought to Rai (raja) as per the story. Why was she accused of stealing when she didn’t? Sikhs are free to make false accusations to people on something they didn’t do and defame them? I ask the admin, is it okay to launch direct personal attacks on people? Guru did it in Dasam Granth so can we do on your website too? Guru Sahib said something and did something. Weird!</span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">“Lord in the story did not Go to women,But was cold by man called Magan(agent of Lady).Had Lord was easy to go to Lady she should have come her self calling him in night.Lord Saw lady only after he entered the camp.and became thoughtfull.”</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">Magan as per the story is a Sikh of Guru. He lied to Guru? Is the story saying that Sikhs have been cheating with Guru since Guru Ji’s times? Gangu wasn’t Sikh so he didn’t belong but what about Magan? What punishment was he given? He was reason for all the trouble. A sikh had not shame in lying to Guru? Didn’t Guru know the Sikh is lying? Didn’t the Guru think before agreeing to go to learn mantar at night? Once again, why was Magan linking Guru to a woman wanting to fulfill lust? If Guru was to help the lady get to right path, then why didn’t the Guru just go to her? What was the need for Magan? Why was he surprised to see the woman then? Think about it. There is still time for tria chariter followers to join the Panthic side and realize the truth but it looks like that time is running out.</span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">“No it is written that people came,who were followers of lady.Lord held her brother,made him uncontious with muthahiri,If you want to have taste of it,Das can help you.And then by that time Lord’s Sikh took her borther to jail or Lord.Lord reached back to his home safely.”</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">I already discussed this before. Don’t want to waste time saying the same thing again. What does or mean? Is there confusion? If the person debating is confused then why is the person debating? Are threats being made here? If yes, they don’t bother me. In one ear and out the other.</span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">“As you blames other for that,may be you are such type o prostitues visiters obsessed by *****s.She is writan as wife of rich man and who call her protitute?Strange?”</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">How hard is to pick up a newspaper and see the kartoots (misdeeds) of so called Sants and/or Brahmgyanis. How many times are they exposed? Someone who has worked at Akaal Takht and read complaints of innocent girls would know how bad these tria charier promoters are. Girls are constantly raped and molested. Even young boys aren’t spared. Why do these guys have so much lust? One reason, Dasam Granth promoters.</span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: green"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">“”Aren’t you disrespecting Guru Ji in countless ways by saying these chariters are written by Guru Ji?””</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">“People disrecpect Akal by un having faith and spreading lies about Charectors.”</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">So it is okay to disrespect Guru Ji by linking him to tria chariters which are written by raam, shyam, soom and kal? This is also a copyright violation of those poets and their descendents can take the chariter promoters to courts. Two wrongs don’t make a right. Most people are naastiks due to literature like tria chariters.</span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">“Do you knw that there are mnay names for Guru Granth Sahib.</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">Adi Granth.Darbar Sahib,Guru Granth Saib,Adi Guru Darbar.</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">One version is refere by Gyani Gyan Singh JI as one of Tenth Master.So as per your logic some one can talk ill of our Eternal Guru.”</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">Adi Granth was name before GuruShip and Guru Granth Sahib is the current name. Adi Guru Darbar doesn’t make sense and is made up by Dasam Granth and sarbloh granth chelas to promote their 2 granths. It is also called Dasam Paatshah Kaa Granth because final changes were done by 10th paatshah. This is flawed logic because names weren’t changed. They were just used to describe Baba ji.</span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">“Das wil give you thre versions of Guru Granth Sahib JI.</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">1.Mithi Beerh(of Kartarpur Sahib)</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">2.Khari or Bhai Bannu Wali Beerh(of Kanpur)</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">3.Damdami Beerh(our present Guru).”</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">So Bhai Mani Singh version is only respected copy of Dasham Granth Sahib.”</span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">Kartarpuri Bir doesn’t have Guru Tegh Bahadur Ji’s bani and isn’t GuruShip holder. Khari Beer was rejected right away and has nothing to do with Gurbani. Gurbani is the same in that bir also. It is just that some things are added to that Bir, which aren’t correct. Bhai Mani Singh Bir doesn’t have a lot of the things you promote. It isn’t authentic either. Therefore, there are issues. It wasn’t called Dasam Granth. If you look at old ones, it says bachitter natak granth and not Dasam Granth.</span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">“This is rather as good news if it is true.So far Kala Afghana Sahib used to say that writer himself can not write his own name at start like Guru Gobind Singh Ji can not write Sri Mukhwak Patshahi Dasvin ,but some other could write that.So you are removing that error.”</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">Guru Gobind Singh Ji didn’t write Dasam Granth. The writers put Mukhwak Paatshahi 10 say that this is written by Guru Gobind Singh Ji. Have you ever read Malcolm? Read it and you will be clear about Dasam Granth.</span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">“Tommorow you will ask that why did not Mata Gujri’s Sacrifise not mentioned by Guru.What about Bhai Vachitar Singh? Das told your stone mind that peer Budhu Shah had casulities and true Army man prefer to talk more of harm to foe then talking about csaulity on own side.”</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">Yea, why weren’t they mentioned? Why was Sangho Shah mentioned? Why was Kirpal Dass Udasi mentioned? Why was arrow piercing mentioned? There is just one reason why Peer Ji isn’t mentioned and that is because he was Muslim. This casualty statement doesn’t hold much weight because in Khalsa Panth, dying for good cause is the best. Peer Buddu Shah wasn’t Shaheed anyways. So he was still alive. It is very easy to label others stone mind or whatever. Khalsa army was always different from other armies. Others can’t be compared to Khalsa. Singhs never did exercise or parade. Sikh history is all about sacrifices and greatness of them. What is greater than Peer Buddu Shah coming to fight? It is an honor and not disrespect.</span></span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="The Khalsa Fauj, post: 50128, member: 4028"] [COLOR=blue][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]“So Akal can not be termed as Rai.Wait. You want to question that Sixth Master gave Guruship to his grand son with namr Har Rai.Was not name of Tenth Master also Gobind Rai, Before he became Singh? So who so ever gave surname Rai,to Gurus,were not OK as per you”[/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]Where did I say it was not okay to have Rai as a last name? Once again this has nothing to do with Akaal. Looks like tria chariter promoters are losing it.[/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]“You are lier.Sikhs on order of Lord borugght the thief lady with items which were as per lord were stolen. Sikhs got hold of a lady,who was wofe of wealthy and who was accused of stealing the stuff of the lord.”[/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]Once again, there is no lie as I made my intention clear. Items were with the lady. They were brought back with her when she was brought to Rai (raja) as per the story. Why was she accused of stealing when she didn’t? Sikhs are free to make false accusations to people on something they didn’t do and defame them? I ask the admin, is it okay to launch direct personal attacks on people? Guru did it in Dasam Granth so can we do on your website too? Guru Sahib said something and did something. Weird![/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]“Lord in the story did not Go to women,But was cold by man called Magan(agent of Lady).Had Lord was easy to go to Lady she should have come her self calling him in night.Lord Saw lady only after he entered the camp.and became thoughtfull.”[/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]Magan as per the story is a Sikh of Guru. He lied to Guru? Is the story saying that Sikhs have been cheating with Guru since Guru Ji’s times? Gangu wasn’t Sikh so he didn’t belong but what about Magan? What punishment was he given? He was reason for all the trouble. A sikh had not shame in lying to Guru? Didn’t Guru know the Sikh is lying? Didn’t the Guru think before agreeing to go to learn mantar at night? Once again, why was Magan linking Guru to a woman wanting to fulfill lust? If Guru was to help the lady get to right path, then why didn’t the Guru just go to her? What was the need for Magan? Why was he surprised to see the woman then? Think about it. There is still time for tria chariter followers to join the Panthic side and realize the truth but it looks like that time is running out.[/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]“No it is written that people came,who were followers of lady.Lord held her brother,made him uncontious with muthahiri,If you want to have taste of it,Das can help you.And then by that time Lord’s Sikh took her borther to jail or Lord.Lord reached back to his home safely.”[/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]I already discussed this before. Don’t want to waste time saying the same thing again. What does or mean? Is there confusion? If the person debating is confused then why is the person debating? Are threats being made here? If yes, they don’t bother me. In one ear and out the other.[/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]“As you blames other for that,may be you are such type o prostitues visiters obsessed by *****s.She is writan as wife of rich man and who call her protitute?Strange?”[/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]How hard is to pick up a newspaper and see the kartoots (misdeeds) of so called Sants and/or Brahmgyanis. How many times are they exposed? Someone who has worked at Akaal Takht and read complaints of innocent girls would know how bad these tria charier promoters are. Girls are constantly raped and molested. Even young boys aren’t spared. Why do these guys have so much lust? One reason, Dasam Granth promoters.[/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=green][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]“”Aren’t you disrespecting Guru Ji in countless ways by saying these chariters are written by Guru Ji?””[/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]“People disrecpect Akal by un having faith and spreading lies about Charectors.”[/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]So it is okay to disrespect Guru Ji by linking him to tria chariters which are written by raam, shyam, soom and kal? This is also a copyright violation of those poets and their descendents can take the chariter promoters to courts. Two wrongs don’t make a right. Most people are naastiks due to literature like tria chariters.[/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]“Do you knw that there are mnay names for Guru Granth Sahib. Adi Granth.Darbar Sahib,Guru Granth Saib,Adi Guru Darbar.[/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]One version is refere by Gyani Gyan Singh JI as one of Tenth Master.So as per your logic some one can talk ill of our Eternal Guru.”[/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]Adi Granth was name before GuruShip and Guru Granth Sahib is the current name. Adi Guru Darbar doesn’t make sense and is made up by Dasam Granth and sarbloh granth chelas to promote their 2 granths. It is also called Dasam Paatshah Kaa Granth because final changes were done by 10th paatshah. This is flawed logic because names weren’t changed. They were just used to describe Baba ji.[/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]“Das wil give you thre versions of Guru Granth Sahib JI. 1.Mithi Beerh(of Kartarpur Sahib) 2.Khari or Bhai Bannu Wali Beerh(of Kanpur) 3.Damdami Beerh(our present Guru).”[/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]So Bhai Mani Singh version is only respected copy of Dasham Granth Sahib.”[/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]Kartarpuri Bir doesn’t have Guru Tegh Bahadur Ji’s bani and isn’t GuruShip holder. Khari Beer was rejected right away and has nothing to do with Gurbani. Gurbani is the same in that bir also. It is just that some things are added to that Bir, which aren’t correct. Bhai Mani Singh Bir doesn’t have a lot of the things you promote. It isn’t authentic either. Therefore, there are issues. It wasn’t called Dasam Granth. If you look at old ones, it says bachitter natak granth and not Dasam Granth.[/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]“This is rather as good news if it is true.So far Kala Afghana Sahib used to say that writer himself can not write his own name at start like Guru Gobind Singh Ji can not write Sri Mukhwak Patshahi Dasvin ,but some other could write that.So you are removing that error.”[/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]Guru Gobind Singh Ji didn’t write Dasam Granth. The writers put Mukhwak Paatshahi 10 say that this is written by Guru Gobind Singh Ji. Have you ever read Malcolm? Read it and you will be clear about Dasam Granth.[/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]“Tommorow you will ask that why did not Mata Gujri’s Sacrifise not mentioned by Guru.What about Bhai Vachitar Singh? Das told your stone mind that peer Budhu Shah had casulities and true Army man prefer to talk more of harm to foe then talking about csaulity on own side.”[/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]Yea, why weren’t they mentioned? Why was Sangho Shah mentioned? Why was Kirpal Dass Udasi mentioned? Why was arrow piercing mentioned? There is just one reason why Peer Ji isn’t mentioned and that is because he was Muslim. This casualty statement doesn’t hold much weight because in Khalsa Panth, dying for good cause is the best. Peer Buddu Shah wasn’t Shaheed anyways. So he was still alive. It is very easy to label others stone mind or whatever. Khalsa army was always different from other armies. Others can’t be compared to Khalsa. Singhs never did exercise or parade. Sikh history is all about sacrifices and greatness of them. What is greater than Peer Buddu Shah coming to fight? It is an honor and not disrespect.[/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
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