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<blockquote data-quote="Gyani Jarnail Singh" data-source="post: 1698" data-attributes="member: 189"><p>Waheguru Ji ka Khalsa Waheguru ji Ki Fateh.</p><p> </p><p>The word Amrit and Amritsar occurs many many times in Gurbani. The literal meaning has been taken to mean the CITY OF AMRITSAR where stands the Harimandir darbar. The SAROVAR surtrounding this Harimandir sahib darbar is normally referred to as "AMRITSAROVAR" or "AMRITSAR"...and people assume that the water in this sarovar is therefore the AMRIT mentioned in Gurbani. Is this so ?</p><p>Here are afew examples of this word from Gurbani...</p><p> </p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">what does amritsar in gurbani mean ?</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">is this word to mean the city of amritsar ??</span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">1. "bikhia mal jayeh amritsar navoh gur sar santokh paiyah... guru nanak sggs aang 1043</span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">2. "gursagar amritsar ji ichheh so fall paiyeh : guru nanak sggs ang 1011</span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">3. "antar nirmal amritsar naiheh guru amardass sggs ang 363</span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">4. "andrunh trishna aggan bujhee har amritsar nahtah " guru amardass</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">sggs ang 510</span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">5. "kaiyah andar amritsar sacha mann laveh maeil chukavaniyah" guru amardass sggs ang 113</span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">6. "durmatt maeil gaiyee sabh neekrhar amrit har sr nahtah" guru arjun sggs ang 984</span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">7. "raam har amritsar naveireh satgurgyan majan hei neeko mil kalmal paap utareh" guru ramdass sggs ang 981</span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">8. "gur amritsar navlaiyahsabh latheh kilvikh png guru ramdass sggs ang 732</span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">9. "amritsar satgur satvaadi jit nahteh kaooan hans hoveh " guru ramdass sggs aang 493 </span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">10. "satgur purakh amritsar vadbhagee naveh aiyeh " guru ramdass sggs ang 40</span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">11. "mann kio bairaag karega satgur mera poora mansa ka data sabh sukh nidhaan amritsar sad he bharpoora" guru arjun sggs ang 375</span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">12. "gur satgur ka jo sikh akhayeh so bhalkeh utth har naam dhivaaeh</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">uddam kareh bhalkey bhalbhati ishnaan kareh amritsar naveh " guru arjun sggs ang 305</span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">13.gur darioao sadah jall nirmal..milayah durmatt maeil harreh " guru nanak sggs aang 1329</span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">15. "kaiyah andar amritsar sacha mann peeveh bhaiyeh subhavee eh " guru amardass sggs aang 1046</span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">16. "satgur hai amritsar sacha mann naveh maeil chukaveniah " guru amardass ji sggs aang 113.</span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">in each of the gurbani tuks above...from guru nanak sahib jee, guru amardass ji ( long before any "physical place called amritsar was built on earth ) guru ramdass ji and guru arjun sahib jee... the pool of amrit - amrit sar (ovar ) is the amrit in gurbani...not water in a pool.</span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">proof number 1. : the amrit in the sarovar of dhur ki bani gurbani is ever pure and in spite of washing off the filthy dirt off countless dirty filthy manns and souls...remains forever clean pure and pristine...</span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">compare this with:</span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">the "water" in the pool has become dirty so many times, kar seva has been performed so many times, and now finally a multi million dollar filtration plant has been installed...why does it need to be "purified" "filtered" if indeed it is amrit that satguru in his gurbani says is forever pure and nirmall ??</span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">proof no. 2. the worldly rivers ..even the socalled ever pure ganga mata is conclusively proven to be so polluted and full of rubbish and raw sewage..</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">guru ji in his gurbani quote no. 13 above says so clearly: " the river that is guru is forever full of nirmall jall that instantly cleans off any dirt and filth...and remains itself jsut as nirmall as before..."</span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">proof no. 3. the "stories and sakhis" say : a balck crow came along bathed in the sarovar and lo and behold turned into a swan...</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">apart from being a preposterous unscientific claim of a change of species - crows and swans are completely different species !! and not a single line in gurbani is unscientific or preposterous in any way or to any degree ( scientists value sikhi and gurbani as being the most pro-science factual religion and guru granth sahib jee is way ahead of science especialy in the creation pf the universe/ before the big bang..only guru nanak has said "arbad narbad dhundookara.... the word n-arbad is power of 00000 to the power of (n) which scientists say is actually 100 zeroes and it may increase..... and scientists now believe thatbefore the big bang the universe was completely black darkness...dhundookara !!!</span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">now listen to what guru ramdass ji ( creator and builder of this famous sarovar ) says: " quote no. 9 above. guur ji says: amritsar is satgur satvaadi - the pool of amrit is the true satgur.....in whom bathing kaooas ( crows) become hans ( swans ).</span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">up to us to beleive - sakhi or guru ramdass ji. my vote is with guru ji.</span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">proof no. 4: the most strongest proof ever.</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">quote no. 12.</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">in this gurbani tuk guru arjun sahib jee commands us : "gur satgur ka jo sikh akhayeh... a sikh who calls himslef a sikh of the true satguru...wakes up early at amrit vela, does hari naam jaap. he takes the effort to have a bath ( physical cleeansing ) and then bathes in the amritsar - pool of amrit. also note the two different words used " ishnaan and naveh...both are the same thing... so why the double emphasis ??? easy. the first ishnaan is physical bath with water.. the second naveh is bathing / immersion of the soul in gurbani amritsar.</span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">now if we go by the book and all the gurbani interpretations then all sikhs everywhere are safely following guru arjun's instructions.... that is we get up early at amritvela, have our bath in the bathroom, do some naam jaap nitnem and then go to the local amritsar - sarovar of amrit bharee gurbani ( gurdwara ) and immerse (naveh) ourselves in the gurbani....then we are ok....</span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">but if you stick with the erroneous interpretation that this is a bath in the "saroavr at amritsar city in punjab" then each and every sikh living out of amritsar is guilty of disobeying guru ji's explicit everyday instruction....and many thousands living in amrtisar will also be guilty because not each sikh living there goes there daily !!!!</span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">proof no. 5. our daily ardass we ask for" amritsar ke ishnaan ( some half past six granthis and sadh chelas have themsleves included the word darshan to ishnaan )..... now if this ishnaan is to beg guru ji to grant us the boon of having daily ishnaan in the gurbani amrit sarovar....then it is possible to be followed by each and every sikh no matter where he lives as long as there is a local gurdawra/sangat/or even parkash of guru granth ( actual sarovar of amrit). guru ji our beloved pita ji would never command us to do impossible things !! and it is impossible for each and every sikh to fly to amritsar in punjab daily every amrtivela...so ??? make your own conclusion ???</span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">secondly you may ask why is "darshan" wrong ( perhaps that is why this word is not included in the original ardass )...for the simple reason that mere "darshan" of guru granth sahib jee /gurbani ( by passing by the gurdwara, drive-thru-style, or doing parkarma and bowing/matha tek/ etc.. is just ritualism pure and simple and is not going to be of any benefit at all. gurbani is not for those who beleive in "see no touch "..gurbani is a medicine for the soul and we must see it, touch it, hold it, taste it, eat it, chew it, savour it, and then swallow it....and thenenjoy the out of this world feeling of jaeaseh goongeh mathiyaaee khayee !!!</span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">dass has made an effort to put forward salient meanings as per my tucchh understanding of gurbani. i would dearly love to hear from those who feel otherwise.</span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Gyani Jarnail Singh, post: 1698, member: 189"] Waheguru Ji ka Khalsa Waheguru ji Ki Fateh. The word Amrit and Amritsar occurs many many times in Gurbani. The literal meaning has been taken to mean the CITY OF AMRITSAR where stands the Harimandir darbar. The SAROVAR surtrounding this Harimandir sahib darbar is normally referred to as "AMRITSAROVAR" or "AMRITSAR"...and people assume that the water in this sarovar is therefore the AMRIT mentioned in Gurbani. Is this so ? Here are afew examples of this word from Gurbani... [font=Times New Roman][size=3][/size][/font] [font=Times New Roman][size=3][/size][/font] [font=Times New Roman][size=3] [/size][/font] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]what does amritsar in gurbani mean ?[/size][/font] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]is this word to mean the city of amritsar ??[/size][/font] [font=Times New Roman][size=3] [/size][/font] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]1. 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"durmatt maeil gaiyee sabh neekrhar amrit har sr nahtah" guru arjun sggs ang 984[/size][/font] [font=Times New Roman][size=3] [/size][/font] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]7. "raam har amritsar naveireh satgurgyan majan hei neeko mil kalmal paap utareh" guru ramdass sggs ang 981[/size][/font] [font=Times New Roman][size=3] [/size][/font] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]8. "gur amritsar navlaiyahsabh latheh kilvikh png guru ramdass sggs ang 732[/size][/font] [font=Times New Roman][size=3] [/size][/font] [size=3][font=Times New Roman]9. "amritsar satgur satvaadi jit nahteh kaooan hans hoveh " guru ramdass sggs aang 493 [/font][/size] [font=Times New Roman][size=3] [/size][/font] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]10. "satgur purakh amritsar vadbhagee naveh aiyeh " guru ramdass sggs ang 40[/size][/font] [font=Times New Roman][size=3] [/size][/font] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]11. "mann kio bairaag karega satgur mera poora mansa ka data sabh sukh nidhaan amritsar sad he bharpoora" guru arjun sggs ang 375[/size][/font] [font=Times New Roman][size=3] [/size][/font] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]12. "gur satgur ka jo sikh akhayeh so bhalkeh utth har naam dhivaaeh[/size][/font] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]uddam kareh bhalkey bhalbhati ishnaan kareh amritsar naveh " guru arjun sggs ang 305[/size][/font] [font=Times New Roman][size=3] [/size][/font] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]13.gur darioao sadah jall nirmal..milayah durmatt maeil harreh " guru nanak sggs aang 1329[/size][/font] [font=Times New Roman][size=3] [/size][/font] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]15. "kaiyah andar amritsar sacha mann peeveh bhaiyeh subhavee eh " guru amardass sggs aang 1046[/size][/font] [font=Times New Roman][size=3] [/size][/font] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]16. "satgur hai amritsar sacha mann naveh maeil chukaveniah " guru amardass ji sggs aang 113.[/size][/font] [font=Times New Roman][size=3] [/size][/font] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]in each of the gurbani tuks above...from guru nanak sahib jee, guru amardass ji ( long before any "physical place called amritsar was built on earth ) guru ramdass ji and guru arjun sahib jee... the pool of amrit - amrit sar (ovar ) is the amrit in gurbani...not water in a pool.[/size][/font] [font=Times New Roman][size=3] [/size][/font] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]proof number 1. : the amrit in the sarovar of dhur ki bani gurbani is ever pure and in spite of washing off the filthy dirt off countless dirty filthy manns and souls...remains forever clean pure and pristine...[/size][/font] [font=Times New Roman][size=3] [/size][/font] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]compare this with:[/size][/font] [font=Times New Roman][size=3] [/size][/font] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]the "water" in the pool has become dirty so many times, kar seva has been performed so many times, and now finally a multi million dollar filtration plant has been installed...why does it need to be "purified" "filtered" if indeed it is amrit that satguru in his gurbani says is forever pure and nirmall ??[/size][/font] [font=Times New Roman][size=3] [/size][/font] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]proof no. 2. the worldly rivers ..even the socalled ever pure ganga mata is conclusively proven to be so polluted and full of rubbish and raw sewage..[/size][/font] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]guru ji in his gurbani quote no. 13 above says so clearly: " the river that is guru is forever full of nirmall jall that instantly cleans off any dirt and filth...and remains itself jsut as nirmall as before..."[/size][/font] [font=Times New Roman][size=3] [/size][/font] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]proof no. 3. the "stories and sakhis" say : a balck crow came along bathed in the sarovar and lo and behold turned into a swan...[/size][/font] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]apart from being a preposterous unscientific claim of a change of species - crows and swans are completely different species !! and not a single line in gurbani is unscientific or preposterous in any way or to any degree ( scientists value sikhi and gurbani as being the most pro-science factual religion and guru granth sahib jee is way ahead of science especialy in the creation pf the universe/ before the big bang..only guru nanak has said "arbad narbad dhundookara.... the word n-arbad is power of 00000 to the power of (n) which scientists say is actually 100 zeroes and it may increase..... and scientists now believe thatbefore the big bang the universe was completely black darkness...dhundookara !!![/size][/font] [font=Times New Roman][size=3] [/size][/font] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]now listen to what guru ramdass ji ( creator and builder of this famous sarovar ) says: " quote no. 9 above. guur ji says: amritsar is satgur satvaadi - the pool of amrit is the true satgur.....in whom bathing kaooas ( crows) become hans ( swans ).[/size][/font] [font=Times New Roman][size=3] [/size][/font] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]up to us to beleive - sakhi or guru ramdass ji. my vote is with guru ji.[/size][/font] [font=Times New Roman][size=3] [/size][/font] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]proof no. 4: the most strongest proof ever.[/size][/font] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]quote no. 12.[/size][/font] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]in this gurbani tuk guru arjun sahib jee commands us : "gur satgur ka jo sikh akhayeh... a sikh who calls himslef a sikh of the true satguru...wakes up early at amrit vela, does hari naam jaap. he takes the effort to have a bath ( physical cleeansing ) and then bathes in the amritsar - pool of amrit. also note the two different words used " ishnaan and naveh...both are the same thing... so why the double emphasis ??? easy. the first ishnaan is physical bath with water.. the second naveh is bathing / immersion of the soul in gurbani amritsar.[/size][/font] [font=Times New Roman][size=3] [/size][/font] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]now if we go by the book and all the gurbani interpretations then all sikhs everywhere are safely following guru arjun's instructions.... that is we get up early at amritvela, have our bath in the bathroom, do some naam jaap nitnem and then go to the local amritsar - sarovar of amrit bharee gurbani ( gurdwara ) and immerse (naveh) ourselves in the gurbani....then we are ok....[/size][/font] [font=Times New Roman][size=3] [/size][/font] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]but if you stick with the erroneous interpretation that this is a bath in the "saroavr at amritsar city in punjab" then each and every sikh living out of amritsar is guilty of disobeying guru ji's explicit everyday instruction....and many thousands living in amrtisar will also be guilty because not each sikh living there goes there daily !!!![/size][/font] [font=Times New Roman][size=3] [/size][/font] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]proof no. 5. our daily ardass we ask for" amritsar ke ishnaan ( some half past six granthis and sadh chelas have themsleves included the word darshan to ishnaan )..... now if this ishnaan is to beg guru ji to grant us the boon of having daily ishnaan in the gurbani amrit sarovar....then it is possible to be followed by each and every sikh no matter where he lives as long as there is a local gurdawra/sangat/or even parkash of guru granth ( actual sarovar of amrit). guru ji our beloved pita ji would never command us to do impossible things !! and it is impossible for each and every sikh to fly to amritsar in punjab daily every amrtivela...so ??? make your own conclusion ???[/size][/font] [font=Times New Roman][size=3] [/size][/font] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]secondly you may ask why is "darshan" wrong ( perhaps that is why this word is not included in the original ardass )...for the simple reason that mere "darshan" of guru granth sahib jee /gurbani ( by passing by the gurdwara, drive-thru-style, or doing parkarma and bowing/matha tek/ etc.. is just ritualism pure and simple and is not going to be of any benefit at all. gurbani is not for those who beleive in "see no touch "..gurbani is a medicine for the soul and we must see it, touch it, hold it, taste it, eat it, chew it, savour it, and then swallow it....and thenenjoy the out of this world feeling of jaeaseh goongeh mathiyaaee khayee !!![/size][/font] [font=Times New Roman][size=3] [/size][/font] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]dass has made an effort to put forward salient meanings as per my tucchh understanding of gurbani. i would dearly love to hear from those who feel otherwise.[/size][/font] [font=Times New Roman][size=3] [/size][/font] [font=Times New Roman][size=3][/size][/font] [/QUOTE]
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