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Gurbani (347-348)
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Gurbani (489-503)
Ashtpadiyan (503-508)
Vaar Gujari (508-517)
Vaar Gujari (517-526)
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Gurbani (527-536)
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Ghoriaan (575-578)
Alaahaniiaa (578-582)
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Gurbani (660-685)
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Chhant (687-691)
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Gurbani (696-703)
Chhant (703-705)
Vaar Jaitsaree (705-710)
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ਰਾਗੁ ਟੋਡੀ | Raag Todee
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Gurbani (728-750)
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Suchajee (762)
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Vaar Soohee (785-792)
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Gurbani (795-831)
Ashtpadiyan (831-838)
Thitteen (838-840)
Vaar Sat (841-843)
Chhant (843-848)
Vaar Bilaaval (849-855)
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ਰਾਗੁ ਗੋਂਡ | Raag Gond
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Sidh Gosat (938-946)
Vaar Ramkalee (947-968)
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Solhe (1020-1033)
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Gurbani (1118-1123)
Bhagat Bani (1123-1124)
ਰਾਗੁ ਭੈਰਉ | Raag Bhairo
Gurbani (1125-1152)
Partaal (1153)
Ashtpadiyan (1153-1167)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਸੰਤੁ | Raag Basant
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Gurbani (1197-1200)
Partaal (1200-1231)
Ashtpadiyan (1232-1236)
Chhant (1236-1237)
Vaar Saarang (1237-1253)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਲਾਰ | Raag Malaar
Gurbani (1254-1293)
Partaal (1265-1273)
Ashtpadiyan (1273-1278)
Chhant (1278)
Vaar Malaar (1278-91)
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Gurbani (1294-96)
Partaal (1296-1318)
Ashtpadiyan (1308-1312)
Chhant (1312)
Vaar Kaanraa
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<blockquote data-quote="Aisha" data-source="post: 178459" data-attributes="member: 18783"><p>Hello everyone!</p><p></p><p>It has been a while since I've logged on, I want to thank everyone who posted in my other thread, your advice was wonderful and made the entire process much easier. Someone asked me to update on my situation, I will later when I have a bit more free time, but right now I have something else I want to figure out (sorry for the rushed post!).</p><p></p><p>I have been studying Sikhi intensively for the past 2 months or so, trying to learn as much as I can and have even started going to the Gurdwara on a regular basis. I really really like the religion and the more I learn, the deeper I want to delve in. I am doing this because at the start of our relationship, my BF spent a lot of time looking into Islam. He did not convert (which I am fine with), but I figured that it would only be fair for me to do my best to understand what his religion is all about.</p><p></p><p>The Sikh community has actually received me a lot better than I thought they would! I don't wear a hijab so it is not obvious (by appearance) that I am Muslim, but when I tell people my name it is. The most refreshing thing for me is how no one is pestering me to convert. I remember the first few times I went, people wanted to know if I was going to become a Sikh to marry my BF. I told them that I was there to learn about the religion and that converting wasn't something either of us cared about. And that was that. No one has brought it up since. I have done seva on a few occasions, everybody was very nice. But the best part is listening to the songs/poetry in the prayer hall, they are very soothing and relaxing. The Gurdwara here is very active and modern, every week Canadian-born Sikhs who can speak fluent English give lectures, followed by meditation (Simran). I do my best to attend as much as I can. </p><p></p><p>Anyways, I was surfing the web for some Islam-Sikhism comparative work when I came across a post by an ex-Sikh who had converted to Islam. She gave a a handful of reasons for her conversion, and what I would like to do is put them in this thread and see what the Sangat here has to say about it. I don't want to ask in real life because I don't want the people at the Gurdwara to feel like I am only there to refute Sikhi (because I am not), it's just that I do not have enough knowledge to be able to know if what she is saying is true or not, and skimming through this site it is pretty obvious that most people on here know what they are talking about, plus you are all a nice lot and I hope you won't take offence :<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite6" alt=":cool:" title="Cool :cool:" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":cool:" /></p><p></p><p>Okay so here is what she said (bolded parts added by me):</p><p></p><p></p><p>1) However, a lot of the teachings of Sikhism are taken directly (or mixed up and combined) from Islam and Hinduism/Buddhism. However, it is impossible to have a discussion about this with a Sikh as they will become angry if you mention this.</p><p></p><p></p><p><strong>Is this true? And if so, what is the reasoning behind it?</strong></p><p></p><p></p><p>2) However, all (Sikhs) say He is omnipresent (everywhere), which contradicts He is One. The Sikhs will argue and describe their belief in one God in everything as a drop of water, and God is like the body of the water, so we are part of Him and somewhat separate. I no longer believe this, nor does it make sense to me anymore. But yes, once it made sense, and I did believe in it.<u><em> However, it left me with a lot of other unanswered questions, such as if God is everywhere/in everything, isn’t everything worth of worship? Also, what part of us sins, our bodies or souls? Of course, our souls. So, how could that be part of a Perfect Creator?</em></u></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><strong>I would like to know the answer to the underlined part above.</strong></p><p></p><p></p><p>3) In Sikhism, we are taught we need to overcome our egos. Now, I feel this is the most egotistic and arrogant claim, that any part of you is part of the Divine Creator. This is not a humbling belief at all. For example, if you look around you know, EVERYTHING has been created for a purpose, but the creator/maker is not physically part of it. Take a basic table (for example), it’s made for sitting at and putting dishes and food on it. The man who made it is not physically in there, not at all. The table is a sign of the maker, and he is SEPARATE from his creation. This is so basic. </p><p></p><p><strong>What is Sikhi's rebuttal to this?</strong></p><p></p><p></p><p>4) I used to wonder why children die, why is there suffering, hunger, poverty, etc. When I got to the line in Surat Al Baqarah where Allah says that we will be tested with loss of wealth, loss of life, etc. and give glad tidings to the patient ones, I wept. Again, I got an answer to a basic question I had that I could not find a clear answer for in the Sikh Holy Book. In the Sikh Holy Book, I was taught that affliction is a result of bad sins committed by us in our past lives. This reasoning never stuck with me, it didn’t seem fair/correct to me. However, in the Quran, the purpose of affliction was that it is a test, and the solution is to be patient. It was like my heart and my head had said the Shahaadah without me uttering it.</p><p></p><p></p><p><strong>And this? Could someone please explain the concept of karma to me? Why do the sins of past lives follow us? Shouldn't we get a clean-slate every time?</strong></p><p></p><p></p><p>Original source: <a href="http://sisters.islamway.net/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=862" target="_blank">http://sisters.islamway.net/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=862</a></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Thanks again everyone!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Aisha, post: 178459, member: 18783"] Hello everyone! It has been a while since I've logged on, I want to thank everyone who posted in my other thread, your advice was wonderful and made the entire process much easier. Someone asked me to update on my situation, I will later when I have a bit more free time, but right now I have something else I want to figure out (sorry for the rushed post!). I have been studying Sikhi intensively for the past 2 months or so, trying to learn as much as I can and have even started going to the Gurdwara on a regular basis. I really really like the religion and the more I learn, the deeper I want to delve in. I am doing this because at the start of our relationship, my BF spent a lot of time looking into Islam. He did not convert (which I am fine with), but I figured that it would only be fair for me to do my best to understand what his religion is all about. The Sikh community has actually received me a lot better than I thought they would! I don't wear a hijab so it is not obvious (by appearance) that I am Muslim, but when I tell people my name it is. The most refreshing thing for me is how no one is pestering me to convert. I remember the first few times I went, people wanted to know if I was going to become a Sikh to marry my BF. I told them that I was there to learn about the religion and that converting wasn't something either of us cared about. And that was that. No one has brought it up since. I have done seva on a few occasions, everybody was very nice. But the best part is listening to the songs/poetry in the prayer hall, they are very soothing and relaxing. The Gurdwara here is very active and modern, every week Canadian-born Sikhs who can speak fluent English give lectures, followed by meditation (Simran). I do my best to attend as much as I can. Anyways, I was surfing the web for some Islam-Sikhism comparative work when I came across a post by an ex-Sikh who had converted to Islam. She gave a a handful of reasons for her conversion, and what I would like to do is put them in this thread and see what the Sangat here has to say about it. I don't want to ask in real life because I don't want the people at the Gurdwara to feel like I am only there to refute Sikhi (because I am not), it's just that I do not have enough knowledge to be able to know if what she is saying is true or not, and skimming through this site it is pretty obvious that most people on here know what they are talking about, plus you are all a nice lot and I hope you won't take offence :8-) Okay so here is what she said (bolded parts added by me): 1) However, a lot of the teachings of Sikhism are taken directly (or mixed up and combined) from Islam and Hinduism/Buddhism. However, it is impossible to have a discussion about this with a Sikh as they will become angry if you mention this. [B]Is this true? And if so, what is the reasoning behind it?[/B] 2) However, all (Sikhs) say He is omnipresent (everywhere), which contradicts He is One. The Sikhs will argue and describe their belief in one God in everything as a drop of water, and God is like the body of the water, so we are part of Him and somewhat separate. I no longer believe this, nor does it make sense to me anymore. But yes, once it made sense, and I did believe in it.[U][I] However, it left me with a lot of other unanswered questions, such as if God is everywhere/in everything, isn’t everything worth of worship? Also, what part of us sins, our bodies or souls? Of course, our souls. So, how could that be part of a Perfect Creator?[/I][/U] [B]I would like to know the answer to the underlined part above.[/B] 3) In Sikhism, we are taught we need to overcome our egos. Now, I feel this is the most egotistic and arrogant claim, that any part of you is part of the Divine Creator. This is not a humbling belief at all. For example, if you look around you know, EVERYTHING has been created for a purpose, but the creator/maker is not physically part of it. Take a basic table (for example), it’s made for sitting at and putting dishes and food on it. The man who made it is not physically in there, not at all. The table is a sign of the maker, and he is SEPARATE from his creation. This is so basic. [B]What is Sikhi's rebuttal to this?[/B] 4) I used to wonder why children die, why is there suffering, hunger, poverty, etc. When I got to the line in Surat Al Baqarah where Allah says that we will be tested with loss of wealth, loss of life, etc. and give glad tidings to the patient ones, I wept. Again, I got an answer to a basic question I had that I could not find a clear answer for in the Sikh Holy Book. In the Sikh Holy Book, I was taught that affliction is a result of bad sins committed by us in our past lives. This reasoning never stuck with me, it didn’t seem fair/correct to me. However, in the Quran, the purpose of affliction was that it is a test, and the solution is to be patient. It was like my heart and my head had said the Shahaadah without me uttering it. [B]And this? Could someone please explain the concept of karma to me? Why do the sins of past lives follow us? Shouldn't we get a clean-slate every time?[/B] Original source: [url]http://sisters.islamway.net/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=862[/url] Thanks again everyone! [/QUOTE]
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