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Antonia Kaur Ji,

It will be much much cheaper fro me to post the copy to you..and less trouble.
Its on the way...
Glad to be of some help..in dispelling any doubts that remain..this may be your DESTINY !! establsih a Gurdwara !!
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It may be that is my destiny. And if it is you will be an honored guest.
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Dear Tony & Giani Ji,

I have my life experiences. Being a doctor, serving in the villages of Punjab in floods as a doctor, serving in the Indian Army, being a prisnor of war for few months in China, getting married to a woman who went to Harminder Sahib every morning for a dip in the holy tank for years, bringing AGGS in the home. Even though I did my nitname from the age of 12 but had no knowledge of AGGS and started reading It and finished in one year and then celebrated bringing the friends all over togather for a day in USA.

I was the only one in the State of Michigan who had AGGS in 1966. The first Gurudwara in Michigan in the town of Detroit was started in 1968. Now there are 5 in the same town. Hear about the local fights but stay out of these controversaries.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/spiritual-articles/24439-idol-worship-of-aggs.html

Then it took me 20+ years to set up a Sikh Chair at the University of Michigan by collecting 1.2 million dollars. This experience taught me a lot, which may be discussed some other time.

I retired from practice in 1998 after being an associate professor of Surgery at Michigan State University. Then I went to Punjab 2 months a year to do charity work. In 2003 I had two back surgeries and could not travel for some time. But then I helped in opening a free clinic for those who do not have insurance or money in town.

All this did not stop my studying and learning of my faith. In the early stages I had to explain to the Americans who I am and about my faith questions were asked.

I have been on different forums. SD management are my friends but they told me that my posts are long so I moved to LZ-where there were few insulting persons drifting from the topic. TeJi brought me to this forum. I am enjoying as there are no restrictions.
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Welcome once again. You have been offering an education to people like me who are hungry for serious discussion.
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Dear Virender Ji ,
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=24439

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I am really moved by the sort of Sewa u have put in . One more thing which is really close to my heart is the translation of GURU GRANTH DARPAN by Prof.Sahib Singh Ji in English . This project was taken up by Dr.Avtar Singh Dhami ji but he had to quit due to personal problems . As the task is an enormous one I recently met S.Gursagar Singh Ji , director of Singh Brothers , Amritsar which is a renowned publishing house & quite capable of doing it . But maybe paucity of funds is stopping him from doing so . If our members can in anyway contribute towards this cause this will be wonderful . If anybody wishes to take up this job, I'm willing to pitch in.
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Dear Dalbir Ji,

It would have been a pleasure to be associated with such a marvelous idea that the translations available are more are less literal. I try to rephrase them as much as possible but requires lot of work.
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I will be 75 shortly. It is a well known fact that the present global financial fact effected every one. My retirement funds are wiped out and at this age I am looking for a job. Either I am too qualified or not young enough to qualify for any position in my field or malpractice is not available.

May be times will change then I will do be in touch with you for this cause.

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Dear Khalsa Ji,

As I understand, Idol is somethink physical, that is worshiped by some as the 'Absolute' or as the representative of the 'Absolute'. This physical entity has a shape and weight and is visible to the humans.

Now I come to Siri Guru Granth Sahib. The Granth is revered by Sikhs and many others. This Granth Has form and weight , when I bow to Siri Guru Granth Sahib, the person who watched me and not knowing the thought that is in my mind, wrongly conclude that I am a worshiper of the form 'Akaar' and asked me that he understands that Sikhs worship the formless. This doubt in his percetion needed explaination. I told this person that I am not bowing to the Physical form of Siri Guru Granth Sahib but to the spiritual knowledge that is contained in it. We all know that knowledge is formless, intangile, i.e. Nirakaar'.
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The person was not yet satisfied, he fired the next question. Why you keep pillows below the granth? I told him that the Siri Guru Granth Sahib contains the Knowledge that we are seeking and we want to keep the Granth in good physical state so that we can read it again and again, if you see me reading any book I donot open it more that say 120 deg. This to not to stress the binding. This is achived by keeping Siri Guru Granth Sahib on on a small bed like structure with piloows on either side.

The person was still not satisfied another question he fires. What do you clothe it by a cover? I told him that Siri Guru Granth Sahib is normally kept in open space like a room or a hall, where it can be affected by the blowing wind. When some one is reading, she or he can take care of the the pages from flying over, but when it is not being read and thus not attended, the wind, depending on its strength can tear the pages, which we donot want. To protect Siri Guru Granth Sahib from such damge, it is important for us to cover it with heavy cloth, what we call as Rumalai.

The way we keep Siri Guru Granth Sahib all is designed to prolong the life of the each copy of Siri Guru Granth Sahib; we open it also from the middle of the set of pages. In scholl we were advised to open all the books it a similar way where one does not want the stress the binding.

i further added that my bowing to Siri Guru Granth Sahib conveys to the children that Siri Guru Granth Sahib is an object of reverenve for the family. They follow and bow to Siri Guru Granth Sahib, as the grow we tell them all that I have elaborated above. After all their mental ability cannot grasp the concept of formless. we have to introduce them to the form and them bring them over to formless. Our Guru Sahibs were great, they knew all, and they passed it on to their Sikhs.

The person was convined or not I do not know, but no further question come from him.

Just to add humour, I told this person, we do not give bath to Siri Guru Granth Sahib, the idol worshiper do that.

We both laugh and the discussion is over.

I concluded by saying that we Sikhs are worsipers of 'Nirakaar', the 'Formless', the 'Essence' i.e. 'The Sat'.

To my fellow Sikhs, I want to say that if weow to the spiritual knowledge contained in Siri Guru Granth Sahib, then only we worship 'The Nirakaar'.
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