Abortion and Sikh Youth

What is your opinion on abortion? Should it be strictly forbidden, allowed under special circumstances or is it a woman's right?

My personal view is that the right to live is above the woman's right to plan her lifestyle. Abortion is acceptable only if the mother to be's life is in danger.
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If society would stop stigmatising women who give their children for adoption many lives were saved.

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I agree with Ideal Singh Ji, because unless the child is threatning the life of the mother then you should not kill it, I know there are alot of things such as rape etc but I still do not believe in murdering a child, but then you have alot of issues as to where do we stop the killing what about stemcell research and the destruction of embryos, I think our gurus taught us self responsibility, so dont have sex unless your married and try to live a simple and natural life so that you dont get diseases because we never has so many diseases in the olden days now we are killing and exploiting nature to find cures for our own bad lifestyle choices.
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Indy

Waheguroo Jee Kaa Khaalsa Waheguroo Jee Kee Fatehh

Waheguroo Jee - I strongly disagree. I do not think that an innocent child should be murdered for anyone's sake. Even if the mother's life is in danger.. if it was me, I'd rather die and let my child live, because my baby shouldn't have to die just so I can keep my life. Why should its soul have to suffer the loss of a human joon, and a chance at Bhagtee and Sevaa, just so I can save myself? I had my chance, I should let the child have its.
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Even rape is caused by God's own Hand, just think about it.. why should an unborn child have to suffer? It may be a reminder of an awful occurrence, but the child is still part of the woman. How could any mother murder her baby? I really can't understand..

bhull chuk maaf karnee Maharaj..

Waheguroo Jee Kaa Khaalsa Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!

What does sex after marriage have to do with anything on this topic ?

You don't think a husband ever rapes his wife ? Or forces her to have sex ?

Just because she has a ring on her finger, she must "put out" everytime her husband wishes ?

Thats simply ridiculous.

Controllabe sex before the ring is on her hand, and after is just as safe to prevent abortion as is post-marital sex.

I'm not saying pre-marital sex is good or bad, but I just dont like how some parents try to push post-marital sex on topics which it doesnt even relate too. A married couple can still have an abortion, especially if the mothers life is at risk. A non-married couple can still take the same course of action to prevent pregnancy as a married couple.

So you say..."self responsibility" and "natural life" in the same sentence. These two phrases seem at odds in todays society. Natural Life would mean to do what happens naturally, i.e. have sex when your hormones are at their peak, such as puberty, this usually tends to happen prior to marriage. I'm not saying "uncontrollable, lets rape everyone sex"...I'm implying cosensual, controlled sex. As a society civilizes, the marriage age is delayed due to academic and financial needs. Naturally, we should be having sex at the age of 14-15 when our bodies can handle it. Self-responsibility teaches us to do otherwise. Similarily, people had sex well before the age of 27 during the Guru's times.

By all means, I agree with you as far as exploiting nature to find cures for diseases which are caused by bad lifestyle choices. I'm not a fan of attempting to cure several STDs as they can be avoided with intelligence. And I do think, sometimes...an error in your choice should remain with you your whole life.

By your society, what would most likely happen is that people would get married at the age of 22, have sex, and then divorced by 24 when they realized that they didnt make the best choice in their life. But since they tried, and had sex during "marriage"...its ok ?

Don't force your opinions on un-related topics.

Anyways, I'd just like to tell everyone that I've been really busy recently, but will start using the forum alot more in the upcoming days.

Hopefully bring back some classic debates =)

Thanks,
-S|kH

Sikh Ji,

If your response is what you got from my message then I would seriously suggest you go back to school I will reiterate and dont you dare tell me not voice my opinions if you feel threatened by my debate then feel free to face me anytime I do not fear the voice of free speech.

Tera roop Ji

You too have not understood my message at all and I am going to reiterate so that you too can grasp what I am trying to convey.

I would like to say that if a participnat has a problem with an earlier debate then you should respond in that debate and not bring anguish into another debate because that is pathetic and sad.

One participant stated that they would rather die than let the unborn child survive I disagree with this I believe what is paramount is for each human being to look after their body, but a child which could potentially kill a mother is to me a threat to a persona body, life is an opportunity in sikhism for self-realisation and such an opportunity should not be wasted unless you are defending yourself, and aborting in this case is a form of self-defense, but I respect the right to those who would like to die for the child however my respect is only as far as the right to choose not admiration.

My section on self-responsibility and sex after marriage tied in with stem cell research but it has been misrepresented by some on this forum and that is why they have started to go off on a tangent. The argument was that when is it ok not to kill an embryo, I am a serious believer in self-disipline and that can be apparent before marriage too, but in the bonds of a marriage a "mistake" is more workable, and if your husband rapes you after marriage then perhaps you need to prioritise the nature of marriage, such things do happen and it is cultural in nature but even then I do not agree with abortion. Pre-marial sex has unbelievable effect on this issue of abortion teen pregnancy account for the highest number of abortions so in future try to think outside the box!

Again you then go on to misinterpret the idea of natural and self-responsibility - self responsibility means to understand that your actions have a consequence and when you have a child you must look after it, natural- means how you eat, exercise this was aimed at the idea of not needing cures but preventative lifestyle, and you are quite right natural means following your instincts and and sex is one of them.
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I am not a parent I am 26 years old and am not thinking of getting married yet I am sorry if you have suffered from parental internet provocateurs.

"By your society, what would most likely happen is that people would get married at the age of 22, have sex, and then divorced by 24 when they realized that they didnt make the best choice in their life. But since they tried, and had sex during "marriage"...its ok ?"

No I did not this is your interpretation and I dont have the energy to discover how you arrived at such a conclusion.

Just for the record:

1) Abortion only in self-defense
2) Pre-marital sex is normal
3) Live a simple life in live by nature and your body will be harmonised
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4) Science and technology have created all the problems it wished to correct.

Gurfateh!!!

Inderjit Singh Dhillon

Aren't we fooling each other ?

Hey , Lets get out of the Civilization complexity ...
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Lets all of us start living in Jungle , No rape , No premarital , No postmarital , No extramarital , No abortion , No Homosexuality , No Lesbianism , No STD , No ISD , No Landline , No Mobile ....

Only and Only Self Pleasure ..........

Hey , Indy you wrote you don't want to marry .... Why Dear ?

Are You Ho.................. ?:p

Dear TeraRoop jI


I agree with .

Sometimes God never gives one even a split of second to decide whom to save , and ultimately the child the is saved and the mother dies.

So, Should We then Kill That Baby ?

To take a decision to abort or not does not only depends on religious scriptures or anyone opinion , but several factors are taken into consideration .

One who has gone through this phase of his/her life can better know that how it was difficult to take a decision.