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Does anyone know if Guru Nanak actually said anything about the Vedas specifically? The thing is that it is pretty accurate describing their will be ten prophet and etc... but are their false statements. IDK
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Does anyone know if Guru Nanak actually said anything about the Vedas specifically?
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Go to http://www.srigranth.org

Type "vedas" in the search engine.

You will see pages of single tuks with links to click on. You get the entire shabad after you click on the link.

Read entire shabads - because when Guru Nanak says something like

ਆਖਹਿ ਵੇਦ ਪਾਠ ਪੁਰਾਣ ॥
Ākẖahi veḏ pāṯẖ purāṇ.
The Vedas and the Puraanas speak

In context of the entire section of Ang 5, where that tuk appears, Guru Nanak also says that the vedas and puraanas speak of the One, who is the Priceless gift, worthy of devotion. Guru Nanak is not endorsing Vedas and Puraanas as the sources of Truth. Therefore there is no way that Guru Nanak is using them as a springboard for his own philosophy. Read and think. Guru Nanak says on Ang 5 that Krishna and gopis speak, many created Buddhas speak, devils and demi gods speak, spiritual warriors, the heavenly beings, the silent sages, the humble and serviceful speak, and all these have arisen and departed. Only sacha akaal has not departed. Check it for yourself.

Now if the book, as the review claims, is based on meticulous analysis of the vedas, it may be nothing more than meticulously matching of words and phrases- word counts - how many times x, y or z Hindu ideas are mentioned. Not a matching of meanings. But the story of Guru Nanak disappearing for 3 days in a river and emerging enlightened, as related in the review and elsewhere, could be a rehash of the allegory of the water-birth of Shiva (some sects say Vishnu). Using a literal understanding of the Hindu allegory it is possible that someone took the idea of creating oneself in water, or being reborn in water, pasted it into a collection of janamsakhi of Guru Nanak, and plumb forgot to explain that the Hindu allegory means something very different if you do not take it literally. So either confused or confusing, this book undermines Sikhi.

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Dhan Bhai Gurdas! He sums it up

ਜਿਉ ਕਰਿ ਕਥਿਆ ਚਾਰਿ ਬੇਦਿ ਖਟਿ ਸਾਸਤ੍ਰਿ ਸੰਗਿ ਸਾਖ ਸੁਣਾਵੈ।

Jiu Kari Kadiaa Chaari Baydi Khati Saasatri Sangi Saakhi Sounaavai.


As the four Vedas have been defined, the description of the six philosophies (Shastras) also complements them.



ਆਪੋ ਆਪਣੇ ਮਤ ਸਭਿ ਗਾਵੈ ॥੮॥
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Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=40866

Aapo Aapanay Mati Sabhi Gaavai ॥8॥

They all eulogise their own view point.

8 ਵਾਰਾਂ ਭਾਈ ਗੁਰਦਾਸ : ਵਾਰ ੧ ਪਉੜੀ ੮ ਪੰ. ੮
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Does anyone know if Guru Nanak actually said anything about the Vedas specifically? The thing is that it is pretty accurate describing their will be ten prophet and etc... but are their false statements. IDK

Here I found this site with comments that argue if the source is reliable.

http://www.speakingtree.in/spiritual...nanak-in-vedas
are you Mr Gill?
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Abneetji,

There is something about your posts which seem to have a long running theme, almost like you are warming up to something,

you start with

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I may be only 15, but I know whats going on in Punjab and whats happening to Sikhs not only in Punjab but all over the world.

Someone has to stand up for Sikhs in Punjab for once and for all
moving on to

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With all due respcet, Arvind I can see what your trying to say but we should care for others and throughout Sikh history Gurus have cared for others in tough times. Right now is a real struggle for Punjab with threats and all these drugs and wrong teachings, someone needs to stand up
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I was just wondering, why did Guru Nanak mention Prophet Muhammad and say he was one of God's beloved prophets when he saw described afterlife, but Prophet Muhammad said he was the last of the prophets every to set on Earth. So why would Guru Nanak even mention him even when Muhammad would reject Guru Nanak as a prophet as God.

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Every has read atleast one testimony about near-death experiences.

But why does every person from different religion see something different.
Christians see the light of Jesus Christ apparently, and Muslims see light of Allah.

From my view no one has the right answer since they haven't died fully yet.

What are your guys take on this
and then two posts lauding this Kirpal Singh Gill fellow, who according to

http://www.earthportals.com/Portal_M.../biosahib.html


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At some of his earlier trips to the USA in the 1960's, certain psychics in America beheld on him a thick effulgent golden halo either around his head from shoulder to shoulder or at times a bright golden aura enveloping him from head to foot. As a consequence he started to be called a 'Prophet', much to his utter embarrassment. Again on one of his many trips to India, a number of people saw the same golden halo around his head, but this time accompanied also by a red flame rising up from his forehead.
Flame From Forehead
Incidentally, it is recorded in one of the Scriptures corroborating such a manisfestation, particularly that of a flame from the forehead thus,
"Pragateh joth mahant ke maathei, Nanak uthrei tein ke saathei"
- (Sukhmani Sahib), meaning, "A lustre of light manifests from the forehead of an illustrious sage; many are transformed and saved in his company". At other times, especially when he is conducting a Meditation session, many have noticed his body becoming completely transformed into the likeness of some of the World's leading Prophets of old.
He himself does not attach much importance to these seemingly impressive outer manisfestations. But a more significant scenario unfolds when participants at his Meditation sessions begin to be baptised effortlessly into an experience of an ecstatic euphoria and a spontaneous vibrant awakening of the Holy Spirit within. This phenomenon validates the oft repeated Scriptural pronouncement, "God is Realised in the Ecstacy of the Awakening". Due to all these strange phenomenon people began calling him a Mahatma, a Satguru (Godly Guru), Baba (Grandfather), Sant (Saint) and other such honorifics, all of which are not in his nature to acknowledge and to adopt.
no no, it gets better!


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Strange Birth
It may be pertinent to mention that his birth carries with it a strange and significant history.
He was born in Malaysia after 4 sibling sisters, with the blessing of a mysterious Indian mystic who had the divine gift of bestowing children on barren women and other needy mothers, even with a sex of their own choice! This Saint enjoined on his mother to become a vegetarian because a pure Soul of great Spiritual significance was prepared and destined to become her son. He related that a superior Spiritual being in a previous life time, having achieved God realisation after practicing rigorous Meditation among the snowy Himalayan peaks, and while descending down the mountain paths to share his new found Divine knowledge with the masses below, perished on the way. This elevated Soul the mystic Saint said, now desires to take birth again to complete his earthly mission. He then divulged to the would-be mother that this special son of hers would travel 4 times around the world before her demise and on every such overseas trip, would address aspirants on the Spiritual path and while so doing, certain significant and momentous happenings would take place. The much awaited son was born on Sunday, 16th January 1921, in Malaysia. Only after every one of these momentous happenings had come to pass precisely as predicted, that the mother had to believe the mystic's Saint's strange forebodings. She was also told that he would eventually rise to even higher Divine heights, to take a pre-eminent place among the world's leading Spiritual luminaries.
any agenda here my friend? is your next post going to be 'Guru Nanak in Vegas reborn!'

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Does anyone know if Guru Nanak actually said anything about the Vedas specifically? The thing is that it is pretty accurate describing their will be ten prophet and etc... but are their false statements. IDK

Here I found this site with comments that argue if the source is reliable.

http://www.speakingtree.in/spiritual...nanak-in-vedas
It should be very clar that Guru Nanak ji said nothing of his own.
Therefore any one should understand GuRu Nanak ji in above context to be more clear.
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It should be very clar that Guru Nanak ji said nothing of his own.
Therefore any one should understand GuRu Nanak ji in above context to be more clear.
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Prakash ji

The above statement could be interpreted to mean that Guru Nanak stole ideas from others and plagiarized when he wrote his shabads. Is that what you mean? It is a serious statement to make.

Or do you mean that Satguru spoke through him. That all his words came from a divine place?
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Does anyone know if Guru Nanak actually said anything about the Vedas specifically? The thing is that it is pretty accurate describing their will be ten prophet and etc... but are their false statements. IDK

Here I found this site with comments that argue if the source is reliable.

http://www.speakingtree.in/spiritual...nanak-in-vedas

I have just posted my comment in the speaking tree for your reference pl.
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The above statement could be interpreted to mean that Guru Nanak stole ideas from others and plagiarized when he wrote his shabads. Is that what you mean? It is a serious statement to make.

Or do you mean that Satguru spoke through him. That all his words came from a divine place?
Yes it is that SATi GuR spoke through him.This is declared so in Gurbanee.
Therefore it is this context one should try to understand Gurbanee.
It is ultimately SATi GuR being refered as GurNanak.

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