01-Jun-2009, 04:34 AM
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It's hard to introduce such videos. They are just amazing! I hope these inspire viewers to understand science AS IT IS, not how its propagated by people. The purpose of the videos is to motivate the search for knowledge and the understanding of scientific principles that have been established after a rigorous testing process from scientists all over the world... The video shows the dangers which arise when there isa lack of understanding of science.
So guys, let's Break the Science Barrier
Part 1 (1/2) Part 1 (2/2)
Part 2 (1/2) Part 2 (2/2)
Part 3 (1/2) Part 3 (2/2) Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh-youth/25227-challenge-can-you-break-science-barrier.html Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=25227
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Wow! that was amazing, fascinating... and i watched each part of it with the amazement of a child...
From the perspective of a nursery grade Sikh myself, i find, myself, so much attuned to the what Dawkins is trying to say... and he makes so much sense to me... and then when i read the first Ang (page) of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, the very first stanza summarizes what scientists took another 550 years to establish... Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=25227
Guru Nanak is the greatest scientist of them all... some may say here we go again... but i, myself, find so much logic in understanding the Mool Mantar... and it still makes so much sence to me than anything ever made... Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=25227
Thank you for bringing upon me this realization once again...  | | The following members appreciate Aman Singh Ji for the above message. | |
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Aman ji,
Guru Fateh.
You are right. Mool Mantar by Guru Nanak sums it all and Dawkins' thought process is based on Gurmat values quite unknowingly. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=25227
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Basically, what I hear Aman ji and Tejwant ji saying is this. Guru Nanak understood intuitively and through observation and logic that there was an order in the universe and a beauty to the human mind. However, Guru Nanak also understood that the mind however remarkable was limited in the extent to which it could make connections. Too often the mind was bewitched by its own constructions and lost sight of the fields beyond its immediate knowing. Guru Nanak was there early; science took several hundred more years to reach Guru Nanak. And science has yet more to grasp -- and some of it is ungraspable. | | The following members appreciate Narayanjot Kaur Ji for the above message. | |
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Aman Singh ji I admire your thoughts. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=25227
I know what you mean and very well know where you are coming from (I've been there) but saying that Guru Nanak dev ji was a scientist does neither of the two any justice. Modern science developed in the west around the time of galileo and continued to develop after his time... Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=25227
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I have watched many of his videos. I am planning on reading his "The God Delusion" next. Let's be clear here, he's an atheist. Sikhs say one God, he say he only accepts the pantheistic God, which is natural NOT supernatural. This is unlike the Sikh God. He makes compelling arguments to back up his views that about being atheist to a supernatural God. I mean I used to think that Sikhi(Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji) has many interpretations like a monotheistic Sikhi like we know, a polytheistic Sikhi, a pantheistic Sikhi, and an atheistic Sikhi, etc. But the more I come to know the more I realize that the atheistic one is definitely the wrong one.
So ya.. please discuss some of his views in the light of Gurmat perhaps. Maybe in a different thread though, this was intended to be about science, and motivatin people to read up on the facts that have been established by science. One of the facts that Dawkins is especially concerned about is Darwinian Evolution.
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Bhagat Singh ji,
Guru Fateh. Quote:
VaheguruSeekr ji
I have watched many of his videos. I am planning on reading his "The God Delusion" next. Let's be clear here, he's an atheist. Sikhs say one God, he say he only accepts the pantheistic God, which is natural NOT supernatural. This is unlike the Sikh God. He makes compelling arguments to back up his views that about being atheist to a supernatural God. I mean I used to think that Sikhi(Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji) has many interpretations like a monotheistic Sikhi like we know, a polytheistic Sikhi, a pantheistic Sikhi, and an atheistic Sikhi, etc. But the more I come to know the more I realize that the atheistic one is definitely the wrong one.
| I ordered the book last week. I am waiting for it to arrive. In many of his interviews I have seen on TV, he talks about the God the deity of the semitic relgions and all other religions who believe in that, not about Ik Ong Kaar- The Creative Energy ( I know you and I disagree on that). However, he does talk about Energy.
Secondly as Ik Ong Kaar is Creative Energy, then there is nothing called Supernatural in Sikhi in my opinion, however Gurbani does mention that the Nature is SUPER.
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supernatural would be one that breaks laws of nature...or have the ability to do it and show it...
imho..IK Oangkar never does that...and thats why the Sikh gurus also never showed any "miracles"..go against Nature.. | | The following members appreciate Gyani Jarnail Singh Ji for the above message. | |
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Jarnail Singh ji
Not quite... supernatural
1 Above nature; that which is beyond or added to nature, often so considered because it is given by God or some force beyond that which humans are born with. In Roman Catholic theology, is considered to be a supernatural addition to human nature. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=25227Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=25227
2 Something that is not of the usual. Something that is somehow not natural, or has been altered by forces that are not understood fully if at all.
3 Something that is neither visible nor measurable.
VaheguruSeekr ji,
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Bhagat Singh ji,
Guru Fateh. Quote:
Not quite...
supernatural
1 Above nature; that which is beyond or added to nature, often so considered because it is given by God or some force beyond that which humans are born with. In Roman Catholic theology, sanctifying grace is considered to be a supernatural addition to human nature.
2 Something that is not of the usual. Something that is somehow not natural, or has been altered by forces that are not understood fully if at all.
3 Something that is neither visible nor measurable.
| The above gives the description but not the definition. If it is Supernatural, common sense dicates it can be either tanigible or intangible. With our modern telescopes and technology one can determine that. As this is an adjective, a trait which has to manifest itself someway how the other. Quote:
VaheguruSeekr ji,
What is creative energy? What does it mean??
| For me, it is what Guru Nanak says Ajuni Sahibung in Mool Manter- Creative Energy that creates itself.
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Originally Posted by VaheguruSeekr  Bhagat Singh ji,
Guru Fateh.
The above gives the description but not the definition. | WJKK WJKF
Tejwant Singh ji
No, it is the definition. supernatural: Definition, Synonyms from Answers.com supernatural - definition of supernatural by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.... and so on... you may google further websites that provide the definition. God is supernatural unless we are talking about a pantheistic God in which case, God means universe as we know it. Quote:
Originally Posted by VaheguruSeekr For me, it is what Guru Nanak says Ajuni Sahibung in Mool Manter- Creative Energy that creates itself.Tejwant Singh | What is creative energy? What does it do?
You have not explained anything by saying it creates itself.
Further questions include: How does it do what it does? What evidence supports such an energy? | 
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