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Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji KI fateh.

Almost daily I come across "Sikhs" who tell me they have so much shardha in Gurbani..they beleive every single word of Gurbani..and this tells them that there are BHOOTS and PRETS.( also YUGS and Reincarnations..84 lakh joons and jamraaj and chitragupts..and and ..and..) I ask them..Have you really studied Gurbani ?? or just read gurbani..superficially...
The Difficulty and problem stems from the fact that we Sikhs always proclaim that GURU NANAK began a NEW RELIGION...a NEW system of THOUGHT...a Brand New Philosophy...etc etc BUT then we put on the Same old "spectacles" of Brahminism/vedas/purans...when we attempt to "look" at GURMATT Philosphy espoused in GURBANI. The "technique" Guru Ji used in Wriiting Gurbani is called PRODAWAAD...USE the "same old words" that already well known..BUT GIVE them NEW MEANINGS in line with the NEW GURMATT PHILOSOPHY. Thus we have mention of YUGS, REINCARNATION, BHOOTS, PRETS, 84 Lakh Joons etc etc..ALL these are used just as EXAMPLES..UDHARANS ONLY....to explain the new GURMATT. we cannot see the new gurmatt if we continue to BORROW the Brahmins" spectacles to see what Guru Ji wrote. WHY DID GURU JI THROW WATER at HARDWAAR ?? Does this Mean that We MUST also "THROW WATER" ?? Guru Ji is clearly THROWING WATER...But to TEACH his NEW GURMATT PHILOSOPHY....that THROWING WATER is a useless act...and even IF GURU JI also threw water..we are NOT to DO IT anymore after we read and understand GURBANI.

Lets see what are the BHOOTS and PRETS mentioned in Gurbani..
1.Page 289..Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji "Saar BHOOT seh Har ka nao sehaj subhai nanak gun gao..... Here "BHOOT" is used for MATERIAL THINGS
2.Page 1202 Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji "Kart buraee manas te chhapaee, Sathi BHOOT bhavaan"... Here BHOOT is TIME
3. Page 714 Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji "Bhasma bhoot hoa khin bheetr Keea aapna paiya.." Here BHOOT is BODY
4. Page 839 Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji " Panchmee panch BHOOT betala, aap agochar purakh nirala" Here BHOOT is Panch tatt Five Tatts
5. Page 1031 Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. " Dundar dhoot Bhoot bhehaleh,khinchotan kareh bheetaleh." Here BHOOT is used for VISHA VIKAARS
6. Page 513 Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji " Maiya moh PRET hai, Kaam Krodh hankaara.." Here BHOOT PRET is MAYA..kaam, krodh,,hankaar
7. Page 890 Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. " Pasu pret mugadh te bureetiseh na bujheh jin eh siree..." Here BHOOT is for HUMAN BODY
8. Page 224 Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. "Kar kirpa rakhoh ravaleh..bin bujheh pasu paiyeah betaleh.." GIANHEEN..those without KNOWLEDGE are
BHOOTS
9. Page 311 Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji.." Sach sacha jineh na sevaiah se MANMUKH moorrh BETaleh.." here the MANMUKH is the BHOOT
10. Page 149.Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji " Navoh bhoolah jag phireh betalia.." Here the WORLD is BHOOT
11. Page 556 Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji ." kali andhar nanaka jinah da autaar..PUTT jnoora dhee janoree Joru jinah da sikdaar..Here the FAMILY is BHOOT
12. Page 1374 Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji " Kabir ja ghar saadh na seviah...Har kee seva nahin..se ghar marthakh sarkheh BHOOT baseh tin maheh...
People WITHOUT any GUNN...are like "Houses with BHOOTS"
13. Page 802 Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji.."Pasu pret mugadh ko tareh pahan paar utareh.. nanak dass teri sarnaii sada sada balihareh...Here GURU has the
ability to Make "BHOOTS" ( those without Gunn, Knowledge etc) into GOOD HUMAN BEINGS
14. Page323 Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji.." Pretoh kettan devta tin karneh hareh.. sabhe SIKH swarean Prabh kaaj swareh.." Guru has the ability to make
Bhoot like Bad Human Beings into GOOD Angel like Devtas
15. Page 706.Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji " Har bhagat bhav heenangNanak PRABH bisrteh preteh..." PRET is one who has forgotten Name of GOD

Only Prof sahib Singh ji in His Guru Garanth Darpan has stepped out of the BRAHMIN LKEER ( line of CONTROL) and doen justice to Gurbani aarths...all others have doen these arrths by remaining firmly TIED DOWN to Brahminic/Vedic Thoughts and Rituals..and our so callaed DERAWADEE SANTS and SAADHS and even Taksali Gyanis are lakeer de fkeer..makee te makhee maree jaan walleh..who mindlessly keep repeating these "bhoot bhoot" when GURBANI is s ayign the Direct OPPOSITE of what they preach...and keep pushing the unwary sikh towards the deep ocean of Hinduism and its bhoot prets and 33 krorr devtas and such myths...
Actually there are no Bhoot Pret Joonis...there is not a single tuk of Gurbani that declares that such a BHOOT pret can enter a Human Body and take possesiion of it..all such are MANSAK Sicknesses..sickness of the MIND and should be treated as such by medical professionals...not akhautee saadhs and sants reading gurbani over glasses of water and sprinkling them over such mentally disturbed persons..
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh-sikhi-sikhism/8836-bhoots-ghosts-prets-demons-gurbani-must.html
Har ke naam heen BETAAL..Jeta karan karavan teta Sabh bandhan Janjaal..and also.....Koi Kaheh BHOOTNA koi BETALLA.... if such a Modern SAADH-SANT say from baba Wadbhag Singh Dera had come across GURU NANAK JI...he would have sat down to take out "Guru nanak Ji's BHOOT also...because Guru Ji declares ..People call me Bhootna, betalla..so whose "bhoot" is in GURU NANAK JI ?? Gurbani clearly declares that humans who dont have Naam, gunns, good deeds, knowledge of God are the BHOOTS in HUMAN FORM...

a small story. A man approached Guru Gobind Singh ji and pleaded that he saw BHOOTS/PRETS..and was frightened. Guru Ji asked him.. Have you taken Khandeh batte dee Pahul..Do you Do Nitnem...Do you read Gurbani Paath... and he repleid NO Guru Ji. Guru Ji then replied..to me YOU are the BHOOT/PRET...for without the Naam of Gurbani a Human is BHOOT/PRET. Any human who is not having love of God in him, does bad things, cannot see God in everyone...is a Living BHOOT/PRET..and GURBANI hs the Power to make such a bhoot into a good Human being. NO "DEAD" person can enter into any living human...so dont fall for that saadh/Sant/Tantrik trick to relieve you of your money...and SANITY and PEACE of MIND.

Jarnail Singh Gyani "Arshi"



The Following Comment was posted by Respected Prof devinder Singh ji Chahal....

:"...Mr Jarnail Singh Arshi Giani Ji has explained wonderfully that in all the phrases quoted by him the word’ Bhoot’ and ‘Pret’ have been used by Gurus as metaphors to convey their philosophy. According to Nanakian Philosophy embodied in the Bani of Guru Nanak the so-called Soul does not go into reincarnation of 8.4 million life-cycles or into the Bhoot or prêt form.. There is no such thing in this universe.

It is very important for the Sikhs to first understand the ‘Nanakian Methodology’ used by Guru Nanak and other Sikh Gurus to write their Bani. One of the various methods used by the Gurus is that they have used ALLEGORIES, METAPHORS, AND SIMILES extensively to convey their philosophy. As soon as one understands Nanakian Methodology it would be much easier to interpret Gurbani in its real perspective.

One can read about it on the following site:

Nanakian Methodology
http://www.iuscanada.com/journal/art...ethodology.pdf


For more articles on scientific and logical interpretations of Gurbani go to the following Net:
www.iuscanada.com


Prof Devinder Singh Chahal, PhD
Institute for Understanding Sikhism
4418 Martin-Plouffe
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Kabir says..Where Gyaan Knowledge is present..so is Dharma religion...in places where Jhooth-False/untruth resides..there resides Paap-distance form Him..Where LOBH- greed avarice resides its accompanied by Kaal DEATH of conscience.where there is abundance of Forgiveness, compassion..there resides HE HIMSELF.
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Re: BHOOTS and PRETS in GURBANI ?? Must we THROW WATER AT HARDWAAR ??

Thanks for a refreshing perpective Gyani ji.

Gyani ji, what is meaning of following tuk in Sukhmani Sahib?
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"Kayee kot jakh kinnar pisach Kayee kot bhoot pret shookar mirgach" Guru Sahib Ang 276

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Re: BHOOTS and PRETS in GURBANI ?? Must we THROW WATER AT HARDWAAR ??

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all such are MANSAK Sicknesses..sickness of the MIND and should be treated as such by medical professionals...not akhautee saadhs and sants reading gurbani over glasses of water and sprinkling them over such mentally disturbed persons..

Respected Veer Gyani Jarnail Singh Ji,

You are right, these people are struck with Multiple Personality Disorder kind of things, and can be effectively treated by medication and psychiatric help.

As far as these akhautee Sadh Sants are, they are always after money and play with people's simple mindedness.


Naam Simran can help people with such disorders, for which a very devotional mindset is needed.
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Old 27-May-2006, 20:17 PM
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Re: BHOOTS and PRETS in GURBANI ?? Must we THROW WATER AT HARDWAAR ??

Gurfateh
There is verse from Bhagat Namdev Ji which talks that person who is after house will be reborn as ghost.
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Say another verse from Ninth master,when this sprit will levae the body wfe will run away from you calling you Ghost Ghost!.

If we have sprit in us as per Gurmat then it may leave our body and that sprit(not the soul) could be felt by senstive person mostly non bleiver.
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Thanks for a refreshing perpective Gyani ji.

Gyani ji, what is meaning of following tuk in Sukhmani Sahib?
"Kayee kot jakh kinnar pisach Kayee kot bhoot pret shookar mirgach" Guru Sahib Ang 276

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Waheguru Ji ka khlasa waheguru ji ki fateh Arvind Jio,

This Tuk simply means that Guru Ji is warning us that those who live like "BHOOTS and PRETS"....without Naam japp and in the world of MAYA...then a KOT ( many millions) of Janams will NOT save them ....Merger into Waheguru..will NOT happen...MERGER..Pavan meh pavan..jal meh jal..jyot me JYOT ral giya is the Ultimate Aim of the HUMAN JANAM...

ALL those Naam Sakhneh ( empty of Naam) persons are living ghosts....prets who have human faces..but NO SOUL of humanity, love of waheguru, humility, Love of humanity..all the attributes which GURBANi and Nitnem are supposed to Fortify us and result in Merger with waheguru..

We can see many such persons...and they will be reborn as..or whatever..since they have WASTED this valuable chance..Gobind Milan kee eh teri Barria,,,ONLY one chance at the "Jackpot"...as you know once a machine pays a jackpot....it never comes again that soon....lets not make our jackpot a waste

Guru teg bahdur Jis Bani..ref Vijaydeeps messgae elsewhere is also stating aFACT...that when we DIE..even the Loved ones who promised to "die" with US..actually DONT do any such thing but cry Bhoot Bhoot and make an effort to get our body out of the house as fast as possible.

GURBANI came to us in HUMAN FORM...in LANGUAGE used by HUMANS...written on Paper in Ink for HUMANS...Taught to us in HUMAN FORM by Gods Messengers...it is clear that GURBANI is BRAHM VICHAAR for the HUMAN FORM....it has nothing to do with metaphysical ghosts bhoots prets blood sucking vampirtes, were wolves , Satanic possession, etc etc..IT is the Ultimate FORMULA for the HUMAN FORM to Grab the opportunity and MERGE with WAHEGURU.

Hope this answers your query. Please dont hesitate to ask many more..

Sincerely

Jarnail singh gyani
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Re: BHOOTS (Ghosts) and PRETS (Demons) in GURBANI ?? Must we THROW WATER AT HARDWAAR ??

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Yes das did read one verse often refered by Sant Singh Ji Maskeen.

Son is Jinnorha(Ginnie type).

He said that it may means that in wrong people,wrong spirit take birth.Perhpas he meant that wrong people further have wrong ofspring due to wrong habits.
anway das has seen those people suffering f\more from ghosts,occult or say evil eye(Nazer),who have done no devotion in life and had evil conduct.

may be it is thier gult contiousness which comes like ghost.But still till scince reaches to solve hypothicaltion of para normal,das can not make a view on that.
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Re: BHOOTS (Ghosts) and PRETS (Demons) in GURBANI ?? Must we THROW WATER AT HARDWAAR ??

Thanks everyone and Gyani ji. I see the point you expressed.

One more thing, I heard about is "Shaheed Singhaa'n da Pehraa" ... What is that all about?
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I had a massive debate with someone about this....who said bhoots and prets were a reality....I said no it was a metaphor...........the person said NO it was a reality...........I said ok Guru ji said God made men of clay too (see my footnote)......therefore we are made of clay....to which the person replied this was a metaphor.........
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Is the following pankti in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji used as metaphor.
Is dehi ko simrai daiv so dehi bhaj har ki saiv.Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji 1159.7
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