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Old 01-Sep-2012, 22:21 PM
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Ishna ji, thank you. I have always contemplated on how sound effects the heart and mind. One thing about Sikhism that matches me so completely is that I have used songs for a deeper prayerful experience. And...that is how come I have loved prayer times as Sikhs experience them.

Formal prayer practices of various religions always made me stressed in the end. Doing my banis is so different. I can't recite them in Gurmukhi, but I like listening to them recited in various recordings.





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To my knowledge, if the shabad is to be sung in a particular tune it is written at the beginning. Try searching on www.srigranth.org for English 'sung to the tune' and you'll find a list of them.




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Bani Sunnan Naal v bande da mann Saaf hunda hai...

Ate fer apo aap usch Bani Samjan di Surat Ho Jandi hai..

dat wat i thnk
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"For a Shabad to be as per Sikhi, does it have to be sung to a specific tune, called a Raag?"

Pardon me,
I just want to add here;

A Raag is Not a 'One Specific Tune'. There is always a possibility of Infinite number of Tunes in a Raag. And every tune may give a different feel and effect.

Example:
1. This Link takes you to a page describing the rules for the use for Raag Sarung:
http://gurmatgiangroup.com/raag-sarang/

In this page there are 5 different links to Shabads all sung in Raag Sarung!

2. This Link takes you to a page describing the rules for the use for Raag Gauri:
http://gurmatgiangroup.com/raag-gauri/
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh-sikhi-sikhism/39037-what-is-raaga-maala.html
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=39037
In this page there are 2 different links to Shabads sung in Raag Gauri!

3. This Link takes you to a page describing the rules for the use for Raag Gujri:
http://gurmatgiangroup.com/raag-gujri/
In this page there are 2 different links to Shabads sung in Raag Gujri!

Likewise there are many examples ....

The effect of singing a Shabad in a particular raag is highly dependent on how it is sung!
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Todays Hukmanmah Explanation on ZTV Punjabi gave me a huge shock.....Guru ji uses the words GANDHEH...and VEAINN - gandeh means FILTHY and Veainn are Ladies wailing at a death...
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=39037
And what are these Filthy Wailings...?? THOSE that lead one away from WAHEGURU and attach you to this world...and Wailings as everyone know are a group of old ladies screaming and beating their chests ( mostly for show only) surrounding a dead body...( SPECIFICALLY BANNED IN SRM and replaced by KIRTAN ONLY )..
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=39037

So I got to Thinking...in GURU Nanak Jis time...what would be such "Filthy wailings"...and i guess that would be the popular love ballads Heer Ranjha sassee punnu mirza sahiban etc etc...AND IF those seem like FILTHY WAILS to Guru Ji...JUST IMAGINE what Words Guru Ji would use IF he heard one of Miss POOJA's SONGS..or watched Diljeet Video..or saw Honey Singh singing Lukk twenty eight kurree dadhh..punjabi kurrian second hand maal ah....i SHUDDERED...EVEN GURU JI would be LOST FOR WORDS !!! SIMPLY SPEECHLESS !!!..esp since in comparison to miss pooja diljeet or honey Mirza sahiban or Heer Waris Shah or damodars Heer.. is supposedly Cultural and Punjabi Heritage..blah blah and family story...see how TIMES have CHANGED.... TODAY even Eminent RAGIS whsoe sole Profession is RAAG and Original Vaars of Gurbani..are saying more and more frequently that Original raags of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji sound so "pathetic..slow..not catchy at all..and youngsters dont like them...thats is AKIRTGHANNTA of the Highest Order..Guru Ji made the PERFECT SUMEL of RAAG+SHABAD...one is the Body the other the SOUL...BOTH run like twin wheels of a vehicle...in harmony and tandem...one cannot separate one form the other...
SIKHS have to wake UP and feel the pulse of the new generation...we need to go back to our ROOTS...GURBANI in ORIGINAL RAAG..NO COMPROMISES.
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Re: What is Raaga Maala?

Very rightly said Gyani ji.
We Sikhs need to wake up from a Deep Slumber ! Its is not the fault of our youngsters. The fault lies squarely on the Raagis of today and yesteryears!

If our Raagis say that people do not like Gurbani Keertan in Raags. The fault lies with the raagis. It is their capacity of singing in raags that is deficient !
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Bani Sunnan Naal v bande da mann Saaf hunda hai...

Ate fer apo aap usch Bani Samjan di Surat Ho Jandi hai..

dat wat i thnk
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First the Raagis picked up the Vaaja (harmonium) from the DUNG HEAP ( see this instrument is 100% present at ******khana dances..street beggars use it...its the worst instrument ever..Court Dance sessions, dancing girls sessions, etc etc...qwalis also use this vaaja 100%...

Then they DROPPED COMPLETELY the Original raags of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji and prefer to play ONLY simplified FILMY TUNES...Raagis even at PINNACLE of SIKHI darbar sahib Amritsar rely 99% on VAAJA ONLY and those who can play the stringed instruments or Original Raags are MINISCULE IN NUMBER.....and such KACHEY RAAGEES are being wholesale EXPORTED all over..and since they KNOW NOTHING exceptionally GOOD..they concentrate more on DRESS..tying matching pugghs cholas and rival each other trying to out do like ENTERTAINERS..not Gurmatt Raagis..

Then they turn around and tell us.."what" we need/want is what they have ( NOTHING).
Everyoen seesm to be telling us SIKHS what we need/want....

1. The kachah Derawallah Brahmgyani tells us..YOU DONT NEED to read Gurbani..we will do it for you..just PAY us..we will do the needful...

2 The kacha Ragi tells us..enjoy this Filmy Kirtan...true raag is boring...

3. The kacha Kathawachak tells us..Gurbani is too difficult to learn..just listen to my SUPERFICIAL meanings..simple and easy...be entertained by my sakhis, tall tales, waddeh abbaji miracles....

4. The Kacha pathi tells us..I will do the paath ardass..just pay and go home...everything will be OK...
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=39037

5. The Dhaarna dhadriwallah types tell us..sing along with me MIRZA STYLE Asa di vaar...the regular one is boring and old hat... Gurbani is so difficult..two liner JINGLES are so easy to follow..and even if you make a mistake...Guru ji wont be "angry" because its NOT GURBANI....ha ha ha
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many thanks for your link, I did listen to it, it was serene and peaceful, it was not as hard as studying the written word, you have to use your brain for that, it was more pleasurable than studying, it left me feeling peaceful and calm, but I would be lying if I said I had learnt anything.
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many thanks for your link, I did listen to it, it was serene and peaceful, it was not as hard as studying the written word, you have to use your brain for that, it was more pleasurable than studying, it left me feeling peaceful and calm, but I would be lying if I said I had learnt anything.
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on the Internet also there are pearls and jewels to be found..if we only take the trouble to look...similar to the pearls in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji..we have to work at finding them..PIO DADDEH da KHOL dittah Khazanah...Enjoy Gurmatt Gian Kirtan Blog.Any further questions can be addressed to Manbir Singh ji our member as well.
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